POLL: How many A or B rated books will be left?

tblues2005 · 07-23-11, 11:18 AM

I think there will be about at least 4 by the end of the year. I do see maybe the Sprio group going in with Heritage Sports and being their back up on the financial end of this.

milwaukee mike · 07-23-11, 11:18 AM

looks like everyone going low so far

milwaukee mike · 07-23-11, 11:20 AM

keep in mind that it could be made legal for u.s. businesses like mgmmirage, wynn, boyd, lasvegassands, etc
quite unlikely but possible and would be one of the best days of my life

Emily_Haines · 07-23-11, 11:21 AM

probably not even going to have any BEFORE the start of football season.

flyingillini · 07-23-11, 11:25 AM

Heritage is all I ever needed and will continue to need.

jackpot269 · 07-23-11, 11:30 AM

Maybe in the not to far future there will be changes to allow Internet gambling inside the USA with all the budget short falls nationally and at the state level I look for someone to step up and after one does and the others see the revenues the rest will fellow!!!!!!!!

alling · 07-23-11, 11:32 AM

zero

tblues2005 · 07-23-11, 11:35 AM

I can easily see something happening with online poker first then sports will follow behind that. I do think that only states that allow gambling in their states will be allowed though. They may make it a state by state issue. You may see people flock to the states that allows it. I can easily see Iowa allowing it. I have heard things in recent years that Iowa wants to have sports gaming and make them the mid west Nevada when it comes to gambling and another state I have heard about it is in Delaware. Those two states are considering passing laws to make it legal to wager on sports and it would be up to the federal level for it to take place though.

Stallion · 07-23-11, 11:37 AM

The best books left will be: 5 Dimes, Bookmaker, DSI, Betfair, and even betfair is a stretch.

vyomguy · 07-23-11, 11:39 AM

Originally posted by Stallion

The best books left will be: 5 Dimes, Bookmaker, DSI, Betfair, and even betfair is a stretch.

betfair doesnt take US players.

mighty maron · 07-23-11, 11:39 AM

Originally posted by Stallion

The best books left will be: 5 Dimes, Bookmaker, DSI, Betfair, and even betfair is a stretch.

betfair is not in the USA I thought

jjgold · 07-23-11, 11:40 AM

I think about 7

PD77 · 07-23-11, 11:41 AM

SBR rated A+ - B probably 30 but actual A+ - B book probably less than 10.

iceminers26 · 07-23-11, 11:58 AM

1st Tier: Legends, 5dimes, Bookmaker, DSI, BetIsands, Heritage (never played but good poster feedback)

2nd Tier: YouWager, JustBet, Bodog, BetHorizon (never played here but read some posters' positive reviews)

BIGDAY · 07-23-11, 12:13 PM

Originally posted by milwaukee mike

keep in mind that it could be made legal for u.s. businesses like mgmmirage, wynn, boyd, lasvegassands, etc
quite unlikely but possible and would be one of the best days of my life

The only light at the end of our tunnel...

neverstoppers23 · 07-23-11, 03:17 PM

As long as bodog, is still there with its live betting service I am happy as a meatwad

JohnGalt2341 · 07-23-11, 03:50 PM

I don't think I can even name 15 B rated or better books that currently take US customers. I'd be lucky to name 10 even. Let me try:
1. 5Dimes A+
2. Bodog A
3. DSI/Diamond A+
4. BetOnline B+
5. YouWager B
6. Legends A+
7. JustBet B+
8. RebateWager B
9. Heritage B+
10 ??????

What else is there? I'm not counting books like Bookmaker or BetGuardian(among others) because they have the same Parent Company as one of the books that I've already named. What other books are there that take US customers that are B rated or better? I'm sure there are several but I can't seem to think of any others.

BiffTFinancial · 07-23-11, 03:55 PM

Originally posted by milwaukee mike

keep in mind that it could be made legal for u.s. businesses like mgmmirage, wynn, boyd, lasvegassands, etc quite unlikely but possible and would be one of the best days of my life

i hope that you're right, but i'm not optimistic. country is predominated by a bunch of fantasy sports playing, facebooking chicks. Congress would be more likely to pass a law requiring that all phones offer facebook and twitter apps than to undertake a common-sense move like legalizing and taxing sports gambling within the US. to put it another way, because it makes so much sense, i doubt it will happen. but we can live in hope.

Dark Horse · 07-23-11, 04:17 PM

Move to the stock market. The simple reality is that, by comparison, books rip you off with every bet you place. If you bet 10K on a stock, you pay 5 or 10 bucks for the transaction. That would be about 1K in juice with sportsbooks.

EmpireMaker · 07-23-11, 04:27 PM

increments of 5 would be more interesting

Hareeba! · 07-23-11, 04:31 PM

There are already no genuine A books available to US players

milwaukee mike · 07-23-11, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by Dark Horse

Move to the stock market. The simple reality is that, by comparison, books rip you off with every bet you place. If you bet 10K on a stock, you pay 5 or 10 bucks for the transaction. That would be about 1K in juice with sportsbooks.

your numbers are quite a bit off.
1) if you are talking 20 cent lines (-110 on each side like nfl) with no bonus money or rewards, then the juice is around 4.5% on sports bets
2) if you bet 10k on a $10 stock you are out commission on both ends (let's say $10) plus if the bid is 10.00 the ask is at least 10.01 so if you bought and sold right away you would lose at least another $10 making it $30 total juice for one buy/sell.

but the truth is that with bonus money sports betting has a positive long-term expectation and day-trading the stock market has a negative long-term expectation (no bonuses or reward kickbacks)

Wiggums5 · 07-23-11, 06:51 PM

seems like one or more big books go down a month...who's next...5dimes? bodog?

HedgeHog · 07-23-11, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by Hareeba!

There are already no genuine A books available to US players

Define genuine--what are A qualities in your opinion?. Legendz is as safe as any Book around, easily an A Book by most standards.. Very hard to win there, though.

Hareeba! · 07-23-11, 07:32 PM

Originally posted by HedgeHog

Define genuine--what are A qualities in your opinion?. Legendz is as safe as any Book around, easily an A Book by most standards.. Very hard to win there, though.

Betfair
Pinnacle
SBO
188 Bet
Greek

funds can't be regarded as safe at any book serving the US market in the current climate

doublej95 · 07-23-11, 07:45 PM

Books pay for the ratings.

durito · 07-23-11, 08:56 PM

Originally posted by Dark Horse

Move to the stock market. The simple reality is that, by comparison, books rip you off with every bet you place. If you bet 10K on a stock, you pay 5 or 10 bucks for the transaction. That would be about 1K in juice with sportsbooks.

this many years and you can't calculate juice

creed · 07-23-11, 09:10 PM

Not in our lifetime

RudyRuetigger · 07-23-11, 09:15 PM

Originally posted by Hareeba!

There are already no genuine A books available to US players

Mr_Saratoga · 07-23-11, 09:19 PM

Don't fool yourself. Book ratings have gone the way of the dinosaur.

WileOut · 07-23-11, 09:22 PM

Originally posted by milwaukee mike

keep in mind that it could be made legal for u.s. businesses like mgmmirage, wynn, boyd, lasvegassands, etc
quite unlikely but possible and would be one of the best days of my life

Actually there is no chance at all this will happen. Literally 0% chance. There is legislation on the table and it is the same legislation they have been trying to pass for years now. It legalizes online poker for licensed US sites and it clamps down on online internet sports gambling. There is no legislation even being talked about for sports gambling other than the one to strengthen the UIGEA and make it harder on the offshores. There will never be legalized online sports gambling because of the NFL and a myriad of other factors.

Your poll should have been 0-3, 4-6, 7-10, 11-15.

ByeShea · 07-23-11, 09:28 PM

Originally posted by milwaukee mike

but the truth is that with bonus money sports betting has a positive long-term expectation and day-trading the stock market has a negative long-term expectation (no bonuses or reward kickbacks)

How many guys got rich day trading vs. gambling?

How many guys can make a comfortable living day trading vs. gambling?

Just think about it. Please don't try and answer.

JohnGalt2341 · 07-23-11, 09:34 PM

Originally posted by JohnGalt2341

I don't think I can even name 15 B rated or better books that currently take US customers. I'd be lucky to name 10 even. Let me try: 1. 5Dimes A+ 2. Bodog A 3. DSI/Diamond A+ 4. BetOnline B+ 5. YouWager B 6. Legends A+ 7. JustBet B+ 8. RebateWager B 9. Heritage B+ 10 ?????? What else is there? I'm not counting books like Bookmaker or BetGuardian(among others) because they have the same Parent Company as one of the books that I've already named. What other books are there that take US customers that are B rated or better? I'm sure there are several but I can't seem to think of any others.

Please tell me that this list of 9 is not all we have here in the US. Can anyone add to this?

yahoonino · 07-23-11, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by emily_haines

probably not even going to have any before the start of football season.

i totaly agree