Is This The Only Way To Get Healthcare In The USA If You Don't Have Money?

[forsberg21]

http://frenchtribune.com/teneur/115935-light-sentence-man-who-robbed-bank-1

Light Sentence For Man Who Robbed Bank For $1
Submitted by Cerise Negulici on Sun, 06/26/2011 - 09:19


Richard James Verone, 59, who is reportedly unemployed and medically uninsured, robbed a bank taking only $1, so that he could be awarded a prison sentence, so that he could be medically looked after.

Verone suffers from a list of ills, from a a growth on his chest, two ruptured disks, including a foot injury. Early on in June, he walked unarmed into the RBC bank, handing the teller a note that read: ‘This is a bank robbery. Please only give me one dollar’. On being handed the note, he quietly sat on a couch, as the teller dialled 911.

Reports reveal, Verone does not have any criminal history, but in order to received medical attention he was unable to afford, figured it would be provided to him if he got himself thrown in jail.

The North Carolina inmates handbook details prisoners are required to pay a $5 to $7 as co-payment for doctor visits, according to the Washington Post, but the handbook also says, no medical attention will be denied an inmate unable to afford the co-payment.

However, Verone, hoping for a typical three year sentence for bank robbery in a North Carolina state prison, was charged with ‘larceny from a person’ that carries a shorter prison term.

James Verone had the chance to become the most famous American bank robber since John Dillinger, but he only held up one bank and that also for only $1.

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Sorry Americans, but this wouldn't happen in any other industrialized country around the world. Is this the only way to get healthcare nowadays in the USA if you don't have money? Robbing banks?

Saying the USA is going down the gutter is a lie. It's there already.

[ACoochy]

Dude this was so last fridays thread news ....Get with the times forsy....

[saints7011]

its 5 day old news...

but whatever...



dulas

[sweethook]

times . there are a changing, i remenber my grandaddy tell me years ago what a dollar realy weighted

[saints7011]

where you live sweethook...

[TexansFan]

Don't worry, Canada might win the Stanley Cup again before your miserable life ends forsberg.

[forsberg21]

Don't worry, Canada might win the Stanley Cup again before your miserable life ends forsberg.

Canada can't win the Stanley Cup since they don't have a team in the NHL.

Canada can only beat the US in the Gold Medal game at the Olympics, twice.

Let me guess, you're one of the underprivileged Americans without healthcare?

[sweethook]

where you live sweethook...

staying in southeast texas

[rsnnh12]

Oh look, another thread by Forsberg about his jealousy of the US

What would you prefer? Every single person being given free healthcare? Healthcare isn't a right... no one is entitled to it

[ChileCheese]

Oh look, another thread by Forsberg about his jealousy of the US

What would you prefer? Every single person being given free healthcare? Healthcare isn't a right... no one is entitled to it

Every other first world Western nation would like to disagree with you.

[rsnnh12]

Every other first world Western nation would like to disagree with you.

That's nice. It doesn't matter. No one is entitled to the time or expertise (in this case, skills as a doctor/nurse) of anyone else. Health care is in no way a 'right'. Rights don't depend on other people (which health care does).

Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

[forsberg21]

That's nice. It doesn't matter. No one is entitled to the time or expertise (in this case, skills as a doctor/nurse) of anyone else. Health care is in no way a 'right'. Rights don't depend on other people (which health care does).

Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

You can't have a single one of those without your health.

USA - The ONLY industrialized nation in the world without universal health care. Fact.

[gtkid911]

Imagine if the US had universal health care. All the Mexicans would be begging to run over the border and there would be no incentive to be the best doctor you could be.

[forsberg21]

Imagine if the US had universal health care. All the Mexicans would be begging to run over the border and there would be no incentive to be the best doctor you could be.

The system would be setup so that only citizens would be able to access the universal health care system.

[rsnnh12]

You can't have a single one of those without your health.

USA - The ONLY industrialized nation in the world without universal health care. Fact.

And? What's stopping you from being healthy?

USA has the highest cancer survival rates, best doctors, best medical schools, and best research facilities, all of which are directly related to us having a for-profit, non-government run system. We also develop many of the technologies and procedures everyone else uses. Facts.

[forsberg21]

And? What's stopping you from being healthy?

USA has the highest cancer survival rates, best doctors, best medical schools, and best research facilities, all of which are directly related to us having a for-profit, non-government run system. We also develop many of the technologies and procedures everyone else uses. Facts.

Sources? Or is this what Fox News tells you?

[rsnnh12]

The system would be setup so that only citizens would be able to access the universal health care system.

Never heard of the Hippocratic Oath, huh?

[Naz18]

And? What's stopping you from being healthy? USA has the highest cancer survival rates, best doctors, best medical schools, and best research facilities, all of which are directly related to us having a for-profit, non-government run system. We also develop many of the technologies and procedures everyone else uses. Facts.

If someone was to disclaim those comments I assume you would label them Anti-American?

[rsnnh12]

Sources? Or is this what Fox News tells you?

gotta love the Fox News retort. Don't watch Fox News at all, other than their business stuff (Cavuto is pretty decent).

I'll just copy my post from another thread-

List of best medical schools in the world, from a Canadian site (since I assume you'll dismiss the list from US News and World Report as biased)

http://www.physicianjobscanada.com/a-list-of-the-best-medical-schools-in-the-world/

US Schools in top 10- 6 (1. Harvard, 3. Johns Hopkins, 4. UPenn, 6. UCal-San Fran, 7. Yale, 9. Columbia)
Canadian schools in top 10- 0

Top medical research centers

http://www.mastersinhealthcare.com/blog/2011/10-most-prestigious-medical-centers-in-the-world/

US centers in top 10- 3 (numbers 1, 4, and 5) this list doesn't include St. Jude's Children's Hospital, which I believe is the top children's cancer facility in the world.
Canadian centers in top 10- 0

Go ahead and look up the cancer survival rates in different countries... the US is at or near the top, despite the lack of universal health care.

You can try arguing it all you want, but at the end of the day, you're wrong. Our system isn't perfect (not even close), but it is a big part of the reason your universal systems work

[rsnnh12]

If someone was to disclaim those comments I assume you would label them Anti-American?

No. I'll label them misinformed. See my post above. Its undeniable that the US is the big player in the medical world, both in advancing new ideas and treating the sick

[forsberg21]

No. I'll label them misinformed. See my post above. Its undeniable that the US is the big player in the medical world, both in advancing new ideas and treating the sick

Show me where I said that the US contributes nothing to health care. If you passed the 4th grade, then your reading comprehension skills would allow you to decipher the meaning of "USA - The ONLY industrialized nation in the world without universal health care. Fact."

So, now that you understand what my point was, tell me what it feels like living in the world's only industrialized country without a universal health care plan? (Please do not go on irrelevant rants about why the US is God in health care technology, since I never once addressed that topic)

[rsnnh12]

Show me where I said that the US contributes nothing to health care. If you passed the 4th grade, then your reading comprehension skills would allow you to decipher the meaning of "USA - The ONLY industrialized nation in the world without universal health care. Fact."

So, now that you understand what my point was, tell me what it feels like living in the world's only industrialized country without a universal health care plan? (Please do not go on irrelevant rants about why the US is God in health care technology, since I never once addressed that topic)

Having trouble following the thread, I see? You asked for sources to my claims (post 16, the Fox News comment, this would qualify as addressing the topic of technology ), I provided them. Then, you ignored my response to your request, instead quoting my response to someone who asked whatt I would call someone who disagreed with my claims (which I had already proven correct in my response to you).

Caught up now? You can admit you were wrong, its ok. I'll forgive you.

I'll answer your question- it feels great. I don't want any more of my tax dollars going to lazy bastards who smoke 2 packs a day and eat McD's 4 times a week. Thanks though

[forsberg21]

Having trouble following the thread, I see? You asked for sources to my claims (post 16, the Fox News comment, this would qualify as addressing the topic of technology ), I provided them. Then, you ignored my response to your request, instead quoting my response to someone who asked whatt I would call someone who disagreed with my claims (which I had already proven correct in my response to you).

Caught up now? You can admit you were wrong, its ok. I'll forgive you.

I'll answer your question- it feels great. I don't want any more of my tax dollars going to lazy bastards who smoke 2 packs a day and eat McD's 4 times a week. Thanks though

So you'd prefer it going to a private, insurance company whose main priority is their bottom line rather than your health?

The words "pre-existing condition" don't exist in nations with universal health care plants and are the reason why executives of private insurers in the USA are driving around in Lamborghinis instead of BMWs.

[chemicalbrother]

yeah, they're gonna have to figure out this whole health care thing in the next few years..

[rsnnh12]

So you'd prefer it going to a private, insurance company whose main priority is their bottom line rather than your health?

The words "pre-existing condition" don't exist in nations with universal health care plants and are the reason why executives of private insurers in the USA are driving around in Lamborghinis instead of BMWs.

You'd prefer the government, who's main priority is getting themselves more power? One works for profit, one works within (what should be) a very limited budget.

The only difference between the govt running health care and private companies running it, is that private companies will work MUCH more efficiently, with less waste

[ttwarrior1]

thought about robbing a store once myself, still might. I dont blame him at all. Bravo

[DennisGreen]

Unreal. Universal health care FTW

[forsberg21]

You'd prefer the government, who's main priority is getting themselves more power? One works for profit, one works within (what should be) a very limited budget.

That's a pretty massive assumption, isn't it? If you're from the US and have grown up in a nation thirsty for imperialism and taking over the world, then I can maybe understand where you are coming from. As for the rest of the world's industrialized nations and their governments, these words simply don't apply.

The only difference between the govt running health care and private companies running it, is that private companies will work MUCH more efficiently, with less waste

And by efficiently, you mean denying claims as much as the insurance contract allows, right? What about these "pre-existing conditions"? Efficiency has a lot to do with maximizing revenues and minimizing expenses. Do you think it's good to minimize expenses when you're dealing with people's health?

What if your mother had been paying for life insurance her whole life and all of a sudden, she contracts a rare, life threatening disease. Her insurer fails to cover the procedure, citing a "pre-existing condition" clause by stating that your mother had the beginnings of this disease in her at the time of applying for insurance and that she failed to disclose it. How would you feel if the only thing you could do is watch your mother perish because she couldn't afford to have the procedure done to save her life?

These kind of scenarios are eliminated in nations like Canada, England, Germany, France, Australia, Italy, etc. because health care is not a business to us. Until that changes, the US will remain as the only industrialized nation on this planet without a universal health care system.

[rsnnh12]

That's a pretty massive assumption, isn't it? If you're from the US and have grown up in a nation thirsty for imperialism and taking over the world, then I can maybe understand where you are coming from. As for the rest of the world's industrialized nations and their governments, these words simply don't apply.



And by efficiently, you mean denying claims as much as the insurance contract allows, right? What about these "pre-existing conditions"? Efficiency has a lot to do with maximizing revenues and minimizing expenses. Do you think it's good to minimize expenses when you're dealing with people's health?

What if your mother had been paying for life insurance her whole life and all of a sudden, she contracts a rare, life threatening disease. Her insurer fails to cover the procedure, citing a "pre-existing condition" clause by stating that your mother had the beginnings of this disease in her at the time of applying for insurance and that she failed to disclose it. How would you feel if the only thing you could do is watch your mother perish because she couldn't afford to have the procedure done to save her life?

These kind of scenarios are eliminated in nations like Canada, England, Germany, France, Australia, Italy, etc. because health care is not a business to us. Until that changes, the US will remain as the only industrialized nation on this planet without a universal health care system.

LOL you're joking with that first paragraph, right? You're saying greed and self-preservation only exist in the US? Get off your high horse.

You do realize that health care is expensive, right? How will adding 30+ million people to an already strained system help? How will that be paid for, if the US is already painfully debt-ridden? You're also ignoring the benefits of technology and research which are brought about because of our system.. who will pick up the slack? Who will develop those if there is no more profit involved?

And for your example about my mother. Sure, it would suck, but she should have been saving for emergencies like that. Most people feel they deserve all of these luxuries (owning a home, a nice/expensive car, 800 channels on a 50" LED, swimming pool, vacations, etc) but don't bother saving for REAL needs, like potential life-saving treatments... is it my fault people don't prioritize their own health first? Than why should I pay for it for them?

[forsberg21]

LOL you're joking with that first paragraph, right? You're saying greed and self-preservation only exist in the US? Get off your high horse.

You do realize that health care is expensive, right? How will adding 30+ million people to an already strained system help? How will that be paid for, if the US is already painfully debt-ridden? You're also ignoring the benefits of technology and research which are brought about because of our system.. who will pick up the slack? Who will develop those if there is no more profit involved?

And for your example about my mother. Sure, it would suck, but she should have been saving for emergencies like that. Most people feel they deserve all of these luxuries (owning a home, a nice/expensive car, 800 channels on a 50" LED, swimming pool, vacations, etc) but don't bother saving for REAL needs, like potential life-saving treatments... is it my fault people don't prioritize their own health first? Than why should I pay for it for them?

You should really take a course in reading comprehension sir.

You wouldn't add 30+ million people to an already strained system because those 30+ million aren't American citizens and would therefore not be entitled to health care. BTW, other nations do make breakthroughs in the field of health care. I know that Fox News tells you that the US is responsible for 100% of the advances in the health care field, but that simply isn't true.

Luxuries and one's health are two separate things. Until Americans realize that, you'll hear of people dying in the US from numerous treatable diseases only because they didn't have access to the health care system. What kind of country would put its citizens in that position? Why not just tax everybody a little more and prevent such dramatic situations from taking place?

[jarvol]

Anybody in America can get free healthcare at any hospital thanks to EMTALA legislation passed by a Democratic Congress and signed by the conservative posterchild Ronald Reagan.

Healthcare isn't a right. Just like a bet on the RedSox tonight or a cigar or a blowup doll or anything else.....if you want it you only have to pay for it. Some social Darwinism would do America, and quite frankly the entire western world, alot of good but the Democrats and Republicans that the ignorant sheep keep electing only know who to run up deficits, lie to the public, and think government is smarter than its citizens.

[falconticket]

Guy should have had insurance. Duh. Its all about priorities. Probably spent in a night at the bar for what a decent major medical policy costs. Socialized medicine is a scam

[rsnnh12]

You should really take a course in reading comprehension sir.

You wouldn't add 30+ million people to an already strained system because those 30+ million aren't American citizens and would therefore not be entitled to health care. BTW, other nations do make breakthroughs in the field of health care. I know that Fox News tells you that the US is responsible for 100% of the advances in the health care field, but that simply isn't true.

Luxuries and one's health are two separate things. Until Americans realize that, you'll hear of people dying in the US from numerous treatable diseases only because they didn't have access to the health care system. What kind of country would put its citizens in that position? Why not just tax everybody a little more and prevent such dramatic situations from taking place?

Again with the Fox News comments is that what you resort to when you don't have an argument?

Of course other countries make big advancements. I never said they don't. Are you trying to deny the USA's position as the leader for advancement? We have 3 of the top 5 research facilities in the world, 6 of the top 10 med schools (which also do tremendous amounts of research), and you think those would be unaffected by universal health care?

Your last paragraph sums up the problem. You blame the COUNTRY for putting citizens in that position, not the citizens themselves. Luxuries and health are NOT two different things. People need to be held accountable for their decisions.

Take 2 different people. Person A works out 4 days a week, runs, eats right, and doesn't smoke cigarettes. Person B doesn't work out, eats a surplus of 300 calories a day, drinks a 6 pack every day after work, and smokes a pack a day. Is it fair to tax them equally for health care? Why should the person who actually cares about their health be penalized?

Universal health care is just another step towards making everyone lazier, towards making everyone say "well, I won't have to pay for surgeries if I become a fatass, so why put in the effort?". Being healthy, in most cases, is a personal choice, not based on circumstance. If people paid their health insurance like they do their car insurance (worse drivers pay more, unhealthier people pay more), then MAYBE it could work. Of course, the fatties and smokers would have a hissy fit if that happened God forbid people take care of themselves.

[RubberKettle]

LOL homeless people do crazy shi7 all day. They also pi55 and shi7 in their pants.

I don't want my tax dollars going to this bum, get a job.

[str]

In Case of Emergency, until Canada removes the USA from # 1 on their speed dial, let's not bite the hand that you will ask to be fed by.
As for anyone that chants USA after winning the Stanley Cup, for Christ's Sake act like you've been there before.