For everyone who said I was crazy for blaming KD for Brown's loss

[topgame85]

From aol- Trainer Rick Dutrow Jr. still blames Kent Desormeaux for Big Brown's stunning last-place finish in the Belmont Stakes, but he wouldn't object to the jockey riding the horse in his next race.


"I don't want to hurt anyone, especially Kent," Dutrow told The Associated Press on Tuesday morning in his barn at Aqueduct. "But I still don't understand what happened. I don't see the horse with a problem, so I have to direct my attention toward the ride. That's all I can come up with."


Pretty much what I said the second the race ended!

[SBR Lou]

I read that earlier, ultimately I think everything played somewhat of a part. The injury, no steroids, lack of the same amount of practice, the ride, the start, etc. I don't know which plays the largest part, but I'd have to side with the hall of fame jockeys who have spoken out attributing a healthy portion of the blame to KD.

[pat venditto]

anyone who bets on an animal to win a race @ -400 or w/e it was wants to lose. best bet was field @ +320 insane value

[SBR Lou]

anyone who bets on an animal to win a race @ -400 or w/e it was wants to lose. best bet was field @ +320 insane value

I'm sure the math guys would say there's value in any number at times, and they're probably right, but something about laying -400 on a recently injured animal was unsettling for me personally. That and KD has a history of blowing big races.

[topgame85]

Yep I have watched many a race thousands probably tens of thousands, I watched this race with my GF and she looked at me like I was crazy when the race was a quarter over and I was screaming at KD on the tv, I said thats it its over no triple crown and she said what do you mean what happened the race isnt done, there were other contributing factors but when you watch as many races as I have you know when a fatal mistake has been made and a Jock has made too many moves for the horse to recover to win a race and this was a race that was a perfect example

[SBR Lou]

Yep I have watched many a race thousands probably tens of thousands, I watched this race with my GF and she looked at me like I was crazy when the race was a quarter over and I was screaming at KD on the tv, I said thats it its over no triple crown and she said what do you mean what happened the race isnt done, there were other contributing factors but when you watch as many races as I have you know when a fatal mistake has been made and a Jock has made too many moves for the horse to recover to win a race and this was a race that was a perfect example

He definitely blew it. I am not saying that there aren't other things to point to as far as, well maybe the horse wasn't himself 100%, it doesn't matter- no horse is going to appreciate being yanked around when it just wants to run. He got him grinded on, dirt thrown on him, etc then he wants him to turn it up again and the horse said screw you.

The other races with the different post positions I can understand, but things were set up perfectly for him here and he just didn't have an optimal ride. As classless as he may be, the trainer is right.

[topgame85]

I absolutely agree about Dutrow being an overweight, junkie and classless for throwing his rider under the horse so to speak but I figured he would do so and although thinking it and saying it are two very different things i figure noone would really pay it very much credence until Dutrow did be a dick and blame it on KD, you could just tell how mad he was at KD as soon as the race ended in his drenched shirt storming away, if he had class he would of said hey we tried Brown is a hell of a horse and we lost in the third leg, the Belmont, as many a great horse have before its a tough race and we look forward to keeping Brown strong and to be back out on the track running hard like he loves to

[VegasDave]

Dutrow isn't the authority on the matter, but we weren't out of line, either...

To those saying -400 was a terrible bet and +320 was a great value bet, you are only talking because it happened to hit this time. It is a fact that when a horse's last 3 beyer speeds are faster then any other horse in the race has run, the horse wins 85%... And that doesn't factor in a horse that runs beyers in the mid to high 100s racing against a field of horses that has never hit 100.

I agree -400 is a lot of chalk, but he should have been going off at 1/9. The value was on the BB side... Field +325 in a race that the field will only win 1 out of 10 times was NOT good value. Congratulations to those of you that hit it, but stop bragging about it and bragging about value; you got lucky AND you should have been paid more.

[Doc JS]

From aol- Trainer Rick Dutrow Jr. still blames Kent Desormeaux for Big Brown's stunning last-place finish in the Belmont Stakes, but he wouldn't object to the jockey riding the horse in his next race.


"I don't want to hurt anyone, especially Kent," Dutrow told The Associated Press on Tuesday morning in his barn at Aqueduct. "But I still don't understand what happened. I don't see the horse with a problem, so I have to direct my attention toward the ride. That's all I can come up with."


Pretty much what I said the second the race ended!

So, this is true because the loud mouthed trainer, Rick Dutrow, said so????

Did you expect him to say, "Big Brown lost because I did a sh*t job training him"???

Maybe it was the fact he didn't get his steroid shot. Maybe the hoof wasn't 100%. Maybe because of the injury he hadn't trained enough. Maybe it was the third race in five weeks for a horse that hadn't raced much. Maybe he just had a bad day.

For Dutrow to throw KD under the bus was horsesh*t...(pun intended)

Doc

[SBR Lou]

For Dutrow to throw KD under the bus was horsesh*t...(pun intended)

Doc

[fiveteamer]

I'm sorry, the horse did not have it. Had nothing to do with kent desormeaux. And if you've watched 'thousands of races' you'd know this. Horses stumble out of the gate spotting the field 8 lengths, get checked repeatedly, slammed into the rail, and still manage to find ways to win. When Kent asked, the horse had nothing, just simply was not his day.

As for Dutrow, well he's a ****ing dirtbag. Doesn't suprise me he'd throw his jock under the bus.

[purecarnagge]

He's throwing the jockey under the bus because of all the shit he talked. Someone should be railing this fat mother****er.

[Thor4140]

i like to see the day where one of these bad beats goes in the favor of the public bettor. Maybe this has something to do with it. Bookies never lose these bad beats.

[Thor4140]

He's throwing the jockey under the bus because of all the shit he talked. Someone should be railing this fat mother****er.

the way that jockey stiff that race it looked like that Rodney Dangerfield movie but the Dangerfield movie looked more honest.

[VegasDave]

i like to see the day where one of these bad beats goes in the favor of the public bettor. Maybe this has something to do with it. Bookies never lose these bad beats.

Paramutual betting, the bookies make the exact same no matter who wins in horse racing... they would have no reason to care who wins. Pay a lot of people a little or a few people alot, they get the same cut regardless.

[robmpink]

At least something good came out of Big Brown not winning the Triple Crown. We didn't have to see Dutrow's stuck up 12/13 year old daughter chewing bubble gum and putting on her expensive sunglasses when she knew she was on tv. That girl made me sick. She truly came across as a snot, without even saying a word.

[fiveteamer]

just a heads up. kent and rickie are now blaming the starter.

Some media reports suggest that Big Brown, who exited from the rail post, was startled leaving the gate by the sight of Roy
Williamson, the starter for the New York Racing Association, who in typical fashion June 7 stood on the track to break the field.

“I see the (starter) on the track; I don’t know what he was doing,” Dutrow said. “But I’m not going to say that is the reason the horse got beat, or got jostled around the first turn. Instead of being (inside) the rail, he was (outside) standing right in the one path. I don’t know if he was there when they ran by him, maybe (Williamson) ducked under (the rail.)

“I said to Kent, ‘Why didn’t you say that in the paper? Everybody is asking me all these asking questions, and you never mentioned anything about this guy on the track, and now you are mentioning it.’ I said, ‘it would have helped if you said that right away.’ They are asking me these questions, and I don’t know. But (the starter) was there, and I don’t know if it played a part or not, and it doesn’t matter. Hey, what are we going to do, call (the New York Racing Association) and say, ‘Hey, what was this about, and we want a re-race?