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  • BadBeatBodog
    SBR MVP
    • 06-05-08
    • 1006

    #36
    I'm watching the Cardinals' line on 5D and it's slowly dropping; from -118 to -116 in ten or so minutes. Similar situation to CHC-LAD in that I've seen most people on STL.
    "Things happen for a reason, they say, but I say there's a reason things happen"

    "Not everybody talks, but everybody lies / Not everybody lives, but everybody dies"
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    • 5 star bomb
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 10-12-07
      • 5370

      #37
      Originally posted by ryanXL977
      thats why i dont watch the all star game!
      royals should not have a player in it, yet they will
      rockies should not either, but they will
      nats hsouldnt
      etc
      Soria on KC definitely deserves to be in the ASG
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      • 5 star bomb
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 10-12-07
        • 5370

        #38
        Originally posted by ryanXL977
        i think he is surely top 10
        to me, average is pedro feliz or hank blalock or arod

        actually arod is awful

        Dude are you serious? Pedro Feliz is a stud defensively at 3b. One of the best in the league
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        • ryanXL977
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 02-24-08
          • 20615

          #39
          i dont agree
          feliz is avergae to me

          rolen and chavy ARE THE CLASS of all time
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          • ryanXL977
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 02-24-08
            • 20615

            #40
            i would also say zambrano is pretty overrated
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            • 5 star bomb
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 10-12-07
              • 5370

              #41
              Originally posted by ryanXL977
              i would also say zambrano is pretty overrated
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              • fifawcs
                SBR MVP
                • 05-14-07
                • 2888

                #42
                Are you kidding me? Arod is the best player in Major League Baseball hands down. He has speed, power, contact, defense, and he is a lot more clutch than people give him credit for.
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                • pimike
                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                  • 03-23-08
                  • 37140

                  #43
                  Forget Arod here where talking about Cubs and Dogers,

                  SEE THAT GREAT DOUBLE PLAY???
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                  • ryanXL977
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 02-24-08
                    • 20615

                    #44
                    arod is the worst fielding 3b in the majors
                    he is awful
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                    • 5 star bomb
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 10-12-07
                      • 5370

                      #45
                      Originally posted by ryanXL977
                      arod is the worst fielding 3b in the majors
                      he is awful

                      Please take down your Cubs avatar. You are a disgrace to Cubs fans for calling Zambrano overrated...


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                      • ryanXL977
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 02-24-08
                        • 20615

                        #46
                        zambranos best year is 18 wins, and he lost 13. i am not a big wins guy, but
                        but a career whip of 1.28 is good not great
                        a career era of 3.35 is good not great

                        he is a good pitcher, a very good one
                        but nowhere near top 5 or 10
                        not even close

                        being a fan of a team doesnt mean being a homer and saying they are the best if they are not
                        they have a very good team, but zambrano is a very good pitcher
                        his numbers show that
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                        • BadBeatBodog
                          SBR MVP
                          • 06-05-08
                          • 1006

                          #47
                          Originally posted by pimike
                          Forget Arod here where talking about Cubs and Dogers,

                          SEE THAT GREAT DOUBLE PLAY???
                          "Things happen for a reason, they say, but I say there's a reason things happen"

                          "Not everybody talks, but everybody lies / Not everybody lives, but everybody dies"
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                          • 5 star bomb
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 10-12-07
                            • 5370

                            #48
                            Originally posted by ryanXL977
                            zambranos best year is 18 wins, and he lost 13. i am not a big wins guy, but
                            but a career whip of 1.28 is good not great
                            a career era of 3.35 is good not great

                            he is a good pitcher, a very good one
                            but nowhere near top 5 or 10
                            not even close

                            being a fan of a team doesnt mean being a homer and saying they are the best if they are not
                            they have a very good team, but zambrano is a very good pitcher
                            his numbers show that

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                            • ryanXL977
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 02-24-08
                              • 20615

                              #49
                              arod is the least clutch, least winning player ever
                              he is a starts machine who strikes out everytime it matters
                              check out his wonderful playoff career

                              he is an atrocious 3b
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                              • ryanXL977
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 02-24-08
                                • 20615

                                #50
                                great retort 5 star

                                still waiting to show me how zambrano is a top 5 pitcher
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                                • BadBeatBodog
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 06-05-08
                                  • 1006

                                  #51
                                  Originally posted by ryanXL977
                                  zambranos best year is 18 wins, and he lost 13. i am not a big wins guy, but
                                  but a career whip of 1.28 is good not great
                                  a career era of 3.35 is good not great

                                  he is a good pitcher, a very good one
                                  but nowhere near top 5 or 10
                                  not even close

                                  being a fan of a team doesnt mean being a homer and saying they are the best if they are not
                                  they have a very good team, but zambrano is a very good pitcher
                                  his numbers show that
                                  He's thrown 200+ IP five straight years with OPS+'s of 139, 160, 135, 136, 118. According to baseball-reference.com the most similar pitcher to Zambrano is Jake Peavy.
                                  "Things happen for a reason, they say, but I say there's a reason things happen"

                                  "Not everybody talks, but everybody lies / Not everybody lives, but everybody dies"
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                                  • 5 star bomb
                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                    • 10-12-07
                                    • 5370

                                    #52
                                    Originally posted by ryanXL977
                                    great retort 5 star

                                    still waiting to show me how zambrano is a top 5 pitcher

                                    Top 5 is debatable... but he is DEFINITELY a top 10... However I think he is top 5
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                                    • ryanXL977
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 02-24-08
                                      • 20615

                                      #53
                                      mayeb top 10. maybe. i like him, always have. but top 5 aint debateable
                                      top 10 maybe

                                      durability wise, yes he is
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                                      • 5 star bomb
                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                        • 10-12-07
                                        • 5370

                                        #54
                                        lol i take what you say with a grain of salt though no offense... you said Pedro Feliz was an average defender at 3b.... lol
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                                        • ryanXL977
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 02-24-08
                                          • 20615

                                          #55
                                          pedro feliz is an avg defensive 3b. absolutely. i live in sf, i have seen him for 5 years
                                          he aitn chavy, rolen, or crede, the top 3 by a mile.

                                          i am not a homer
                                          i dont blindly support anyone
                                          i watch all the teams. my opinions aint biased unlike some peoples

                                          hint!
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                                          • BadBeatBodog
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 06-05-08
                                            • 1006

                                            #56
                                            Durability wise? You realize not getting injured is part of the evaluation process? Being able to consistently throw that many innings with low ERAs is HUGE. Otherwise Chris Young and Rich Harden are the best pitchers in their respective leagues.
                                            "Things happen for a reason, they say, but I say there's a reason things happen"

                                            "Not everybody talks, but everybody lies / Not everybody lives, but everybody dies"
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                                            • ryanXL977
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 02-24-08
                                              • 20615

                                              #57
                                              no, chris young isnt close top the best., healthy or not
                                              and rich harden has never throw 35 games, s nobody is discussing him.

                                              so i should count zambrano even though he blows up ever 4th game? but bc he throws 200 innings, that moves him up the rankings?

                                              i dont agree
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                                              • BadBeatBodog
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 06-05-08
                                                • 1006

                                                #58
                                                Originally posted by ryanXL977
                                                pedro feliz is an avg defensive 3b. absolutely. i live in sf, i have seen him for 5 years
                                                he aitn chavy, rolen, or crede, the top 3 by a mile.

                                                i am not a homer
                                                i dont blindly support anyone
                                                i watch all the teams. my opinions aint biased unlike some peoples

                                                hint!
                                                But what makes you the man to evaluate a player's defense? I will follow saber stats over 1,000 people's opinions of a player, and saber stats show Feliz is a very good defender.
                                                "Things happen for a reason, they say, but I say there's a reason things happen"

                                                "Not everybody talks, but everybody lies / Not everybody lives, but everybody dies"
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                                                • BadBeatBodog
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 06-05-08
                                                  • 1006

                                                  #59
                                                  Originally posted by ryanXL977
                                                  no, chris young isnt close top the best., healthy or not
                                                  and rich harden has never throw 35 games, s nobody is discussing him.

                                                  so i should count zambrano even though he blows up ever 4th game? but bc he throws 200 innings, that moves him up the rankings?

                                                  i dont agree
                                                  forget it
                                                  "Things happen for a reason, they say, but I say there's a reason things happen"

                                                  "Not everybody talks, but everybody lies / Not everybody lives, but everybody dies"
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                                                  • ryanXL977
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 02-24-08
                                                    • 20615

                                                    #60
                                                    dude
                                                    its my opinion, you can have yours
                                                    nothing i say or anyone says is proveable regarding who is the best 3b
                                                    but i have seen them all and i have never seen anyone as good as rolen or chavez

                                                    does sabermetrics say youkilis is a good 1b bc he makes no errrors? would you really take him over derek lee or mark teixera or kotchman or another good 1b bc of his fielding %?
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                                                    • 5 star bomb
                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                      • 10-12-07
                                                      • 5370

                                                      #61
                                                      im not a homer because I think Z is a top 5 pitcher... ask non Cubs fans and they will admit Z is a top 5 sp
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                                                      • BadBeatBodog
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 06-05-08
                                                        • 1006

                                                        #62
                                                        Originally posted by ryanXL977
                                                        dude
                                                        its my opinion, you can have yours
                                                        nothing i say or anyone says is proveable regarding who is the best 3b
                                                        but i have seen them all and i have never seen anyone as good as rolen or chavez

                                                        does sabermetrics say youkilis is a good 1b bc he makes no errrors? would you really take him over derek lee or mark teixera or kotchman or another good 1b bc of his fielding %?
                                                        Fielding percentage and errors are horrible to go off of. Do you know what saber stats are? NOT RBI, HR, SB, ERA, etc... If you cap based off numbers like HR, RBI, etc... remind me not to follow you.
                                                        "Things happen for a reason, they say, but I say there's a reason things happen"

                                                        "Not everybody talks, but everybody lies / Not everybody lives, but everybody dies"
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                                                        • 5 star bomb
                                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                                          • 10-12-07
                                                          • 5370

                                                          #63
                                                          Originally posted by WonTooManyBets
                                                          Soriano looked absolutely pathetic on the first at bat.

                                                          HR SORIANO!!!!!!!!!!
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                                                          • pimike
                                                            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                            • 03-23-08
                                                            • 37140

                                                            #64
                                                            Originally posted by 5 star bomb
                                                            HR SORIANO!!!!!!!!!!
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                                                            • j$
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 03-07-08
                                                              • 3831

                                                              #65
                                                              2-2 ..thats what happens when u **** around in the dugout and play games
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                                                              • j$
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 03-07-08
                                                                • 3831

                                                                #66
                                                                Zambrano is a dumb ass
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                                                                • pimike
                                                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                  • 03-23-08
                                                                  • 37140

                                                                  #67
                                                                  Dodgers will win now this is Zambrano's last inning.
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                                                                  • WonTooManyBets
                                                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                                                    • 04-02-08
                                                                    • 586

                                                                    #68
                                                                    Typical Zambrano collapse.
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                                                                    • pimike
                                                                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                      • 03-23-08
                                                                      • 37140

                                                                      #69
                                                                      Originally posted by WonTooManyBets
                                                                      Typical Zambrano collapse.

                                                                      Collapse, two runs. That makes only 5 runs against the Dodgers in over 35 innings..

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                                                                      • j$
                                                                        SBR MVP
                                                                        • 03-07-08
                                                                        • 3831

                                                                        #70
                                                                        Originally posted by pimike
                                                                        Dodgers will win now this is Zambrano's last inning.
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