the EXPERT selects belmont winner

OneLossParlayGuy · 06-12-11, 01:14 AM

Horse Racing and betting on it should really be looked at from a complete ENTERTAINMENT stand point.

shit is way to hard to predict

Art Vandeleigh · 06-12-11, 02:10 AM

It's a humbling game.

That being said, triple crown races are so tough and held so close together at different tracks, it's really too much stress for a lot of these young horses. They are pushed so unreasonably hard, they should really be getting 6-8 weeks rest between major races.

foryourhandicap · 06-12-11, 02:15 AM

Well, in his defense, were those picks given before the track was sloppy?

pokernut9999 · 06-12-11, 02:52 AM

A lot of vaild points there.

wtf · 06-12-11, 07:43 AM

Originally posted by foryourhandicap

Well, in his defense, were those picks given before the track was sloppy?

maybe , but given the opportunity to change his selections i doubt he would have altered them dramatically

btw, I posted two days ago that kingdom would NOT HIT THE BOARD

cadillac pete · 06-12-11, 07:49 AM

The sloppy track changed the entire dynmanics of the race.

Texas Star · 06-12-11, 07:50 AM

The bad start really hurt Animal Kingdom. Too much ground to make up in the slop.

MrExacta · 06-12-11, 08:01 AM

You could have boxed 1-2-3-4-5-6 for a .10 Superfecta........$36

I don't know where I get these ideas.

paid 100-1

MrExacta -`

BuckeyeT · 06-12-11, 08:17 AM

Sloppy track through everything off thats why the winner was the 8th highest paying horse in Belmont history.

Mammon · 06-12-11, 08:26 AM

No dominant hors this year.

shade3599 · 06-12-11, 08:40 AM

I will have to say that these three year olds are the worst I have seen in years. No dominate horses at all.

Dirty Sanchez · 06-12-11, 08:48 AM

My experience with betting on tracks that are sloppy, if you don't have the PP's and bloodlines it's definitely a crapshoot. You always hear after the fact about a horses bloodline where their is a history of off-track wins/races, etc. Jose Valdivia did a great job keeping his horse in a spot away from most of the flying mud/water, just look at him and the horse after the finish....friggin pretty clean. All those "bet down" horses got all the trash/spray in their faces and they didn't like it and backed out. I firmly believe the "sharps" or "smart cappers" had some piece of this whether through an Exacta or Tri Box.

mikemca · 06-12-11, 09:01 AM

Originally posted by Dirty Sanchez

I firmly believe the "sharps" or "smart cappers" had some piece of this whether through an Exacta or Tri Box.

Ruler On Ice ruined a big payday for the sharps as they were on the 2nd,3rd,and 4th place finishers.

megamillionslose · 06-12-11, 09:55 AM

Beyer makes more money SELLING his speed ratings than he does betting!

Back in the day Beyer probably made a decent living using his speed figures BUT when he found out it was way more lucrative licensing his proprietary data to the DRF the pressure to work his ass off to gain a modest edge over the average bettor completely disappeared.Beyer probably wagers just for fun these days.I would not even waste my valuable time looking at his picks now

Originally posted by wtf

Picking a winner is brutal in horse racing, but damn this mother fukers top four did NOT HIT THE BOARD !

2011 Belmont Stakes picks
By Andrew Beyer
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We've seen a lot of evidence in recent years that pedigree really separates the contenders from the pretenders in the Belmont. Horses with marginal pedigrees for stamina can win other routes, but not the Belmont, and I think Shackleford will come up light on that score. Animal Kingdom is legitimately the horse to beat. His female family has the mile-and-a-half breeding that you rarely see in U.S. horses.

Belmont Stakes selections

1) Animal Kingdom

2) Nehro

3) Shackleford

4) Master of Hounds

csm506 · 06-12-11, 10:06 AM

I checked blogs, newspapers and expert picks on TVG HRTV etc, nobody and I mean nobody had this one, in this game anyone can make a justification for any horse, such as this horse ran a mile two years a go when the temperature was the same on a similar track LOL. The owner and trainer seemed shocked, and lastly Frank Lyons on TVG after the race said well this horse had to be moved up on the slop and it did not surprise him, then why did he not have him in his top three? Frank as we all know has been on the sauce for years. Lastly again lol, Gregg Wolf on TVG after the race said I do not know why John Velasquez took him so far back I guess we will have to find out why, duh watch the race idiot box.

Seattle Slew · 06-12-11, 10:07 AM

Belmont always has crazy results. Remember Da Tara? Never won again.

jeffksu · 06-12-11, 10:11 AM

was just a bad day w/track being sloppy..if the track was better he probably had what the majority of cappers had going into the race...

csm506 · 06-12-11, 10:16 AM

Jeff that might be true

ryanjep · 06-12-11, 10:37 AM

i bet a lot of people were no where close to picking the winner in this one

EmpireMaker · 06-12-11, 10:46 AM

Beyer's picks are and always have been horrible. It is doubtful that he came up with the speed figures attached to his name,more like that he wrote about them in a book for the real person/persons that developed them being that he is a professional writer.

str · 06-12-11, 10:56 AM

Beyer speed figures have way too much assumption in them. For me, I have never paid much attention to them at all.

str · 06-12-11, 10:58 AM

Originally posted by EmpireMaker

Beyer's picks are and always have been horrible. It is doubtful that he came up with the speed figures attached to his name,more like that he wrote about them in a book for the real person/persons that developed them being that he is a professional writer.

When he was writing columns in the Wash. Post in the 70's he had a knack for being wrong nine out of ten times and I am being generous.

You are absolutely right.

Dirty Sanchez · 06-12-11, 11:04 AM

Originally posted by csm506

I checked blogs, newspapers and expert picks on TVG HRTV etc, nobody and I mean nobody had this one, in this game anyone can make a justification for any horse, such as this horse ran a mile two years a go when the temperature was the same on a similar track LOL. The owner and trainer seemed shocked, and lastly Frank Lyons on TVG after the race said well this horse had to be moved up on the slop and it did not surprise him, then why did he not have him in his top three? Frank as we all know has been on the sauce for years. Lastly again lol, Gregg Wolf on TVG after the race said I do not know why John Velasquez took him so far back I guess we will have to find out why, duh watch the race idiot box.

Conspiracy theorists would tell you that alot of them toss out fantasy selections to push the odds up on the true horses they're wagering on. There is no way those bozo's are betting their own money because they would be broke. Guys like Greg Wolf are sportscasters on the West Coast who when it comes to horses he's got no clue what's going on. The others for the most part are trying to be circus side show acts. Frank Lyons had it out there that Master of Hounds was his biggest bet of the year....good Lord

marksinger · 06-12-11, 11:04 AM

I guess they couldn't have postponed the races till today??

gtkid911 · 06-12-11, 01:53 PM

Only horse who truly remained clean throughout the race so hats off for the ride

wtf · 06-12-11, 04:09 PM

beyer is a mind numbing buffoon , he knew the track might be sloppy

so make two sets of selections

he still would have come up goose eggs

treece · 06-12-11, 04:30 PM

horse racing is like a donation.

dugbug15 · 06-12-11, 10:45 PM

drf'S little book edition of the daily racing form had ruler on ice listed in 3 or 4 categories ;fstest comparitive speed.most money earned on an off track,and 2 more categories.i fotgot which ones.this data table is usually located before the 1rst race of the designated track.
i did'nt catch on,so,i missed out.

truebluebear · 06-13-11, 04:35 AM

Well no outstanding 3-y-o in America this year , 3 different winners of the "TC" races and no convincing victor in any of them - also English "Derby " winner not convincing (1st 4 home coulda been covered by a blanket , always a sign that horses much of a muchness ) but the stick out is the English 2,000 Guinneas winner FRANKEL , he led from get go and covered the str8 mile catching pigeons to record an easy 6 leangths succes (2nd biggest winning distance in race s history) thats 5 from 5 and at a mile he looks unopposable . trained by Sir Henry Cecil and with Breeders cup Mile in mind he may be coming your way in the Fall - FRANKEL to da "VAULT" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!