Kobe Vs. Jordan

Jordan23 · 05-08-11, 08:37 PM

Jordan wouldn't have went out like that.

success · 05-08-11, 09:19 PM

Jordan is clearly better, but Kobe is close. Remeber, Jordan had Pippen. Who did Kobe have in this Series? Gasol? Odom? Bynum? Come on. Give Kobe Pippen and the Lakers for sure don't get swept and in fact make this interesting.

cockblocker · 05-08-11, 09:20 PM

Originally posted by Jimmy Proffett

lol. I hate Kobe but he's better now than Jordan was during his Wizard's stint by far.

oh really.

C-Gold · 05-08-11, 09:23 PM

Kobe needs to be like Lebraun and go to somebody else's team. His Fakers are done. Too old and slow.

success · 05-08-11, 09:24 PM

There are clips on youtube when Kobe played against Jordan in 98. Back then Jordan could not really cover Kobe. True Jordan is a better playoff player and better overall, but it's absurd to say that Jordan in 2001-2 is even as good as Kobe will be 2 years from now if he still wants to play.

doublej95 · 05-08-11, 09:26 PM

Jordan has been better than Kobe everyday of his life.

mike vegetabile · 05-08-11, 09:33 PM

jordon

lakers crush

jordon was the best

cockblocker · 05-08-11, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by success

There are clips on youtube when Kobe played against Jordan in 98. Back then Jordan could not really cover Kobe. True Jordan is a better playoff player and better overall, but it's absurd to say that Jordan in 2001-2 is even as good as Kobe will be 2 years from now if he still wants to play.

Kobe got old real fast and Mike was recovering from knee surgeries when he played for the Wizards and still schooling these younger players.

St8Ca$homie · 05-08-11, 09:45 PM

Sure 23 had Pip , but thats pretty much all he had. I mean you can find spot up shooters in any era. Kobe had a top 10 player of all time on his team , in fact leading the show! Plus guys like Big Shot Bob , Fisher , Gasol , Odom , A.B. , Fox ... Kobe played w/ some very good players. After Pip , Grant 23 had no help on the O end ... at all. Kobe isnt close to 23 , sorry thats not even up for debate.

BettingWizard · 05-08-11, 09:47 PM

Kobe can't win without a dominant big man inside that lets him roam around on offense.

cockblocker · 05-08-11, 10:00 PM

rm18 · 05-08-11, 10:10 PM

Kobe was sick in his prime sure dunked on the whole Spurs team in 2002 but that was not the question.

BettingWizard · 05-08-11, 10:19 PM

Jordan in the 87 and 88 seasons would have averaged 45 pts a game with the handchecking rules

Meyhem · 05-08-11, 10:25 PM

haha, i can tell alot of people put money on the lakers, funny how the haters come out like this when they loose abit of cash.

Prime vs prime, Jordan no doubt

oldscho0led · 05-09-11, 12:52 AM

Originally posted by jjgold

Kobe is great but yes he is no Jordan

Jordan was much more dominant in 4th qtr and a much better defender

Also MJ did not have the supporting cast like Kobe has had

I'm a Jordan and Kobe fan..yes Jordan is def better...but "Also MJ did not have the supporting cast like Kobe has had"????

I will take Pip over Gasol anyday!!

QuantumLeap · 05-09-11, 01:36 AM

I've been a Laker fan since the early 70's and I hate Jordan but Mike was better than Kobe is now.

What I don't hear much being said is that Jordan was a much better defensive player than Kobe ever has been.

vitalyo · 05-09-11, 02:44 AM

Kobe is a dushnozzle MJ is the man !

GL.

King Mayan · 05-09-11, 03:13 AM

Originally posted by C-Gold

Kobe needs to be like Lebraun and go to somebody else's team. His Fakers are done. Too old and slow.

The lakeshow keeps on winning..

Albert Pujols · 05-09-11, 04:15 PM

Mike would never let his team lose by 40 in the playoffs

Kobe has done it twice in elimination games. Kobe is not Jordan. It never was close. Rose will be the closest to Mike anyway.

d2bets · 05-09-11, 04:21 PM

Kobe is past his prime.

coldhardfacts · 05-09-11, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by d2bets

Kobe is past his prime.

It is a team sport, and Mike's championship teams were all MUCH better than this Laker team. But it is true, for all of his bragging on his triangle offense, when things got tough Jackson always depended on Kobe to take over, just like he did with Michael.

kickenchicken · 05-09-11, 05:08 PM

mj is the best all time

William Walters · 05-09-11, 05:11 PM

Originally posted by LVBOUND

I really think call me crazy...if Jordan at his age replaced Kobe on this laker team they would not be down 3-0. He would get more out of gasol and would score about 15 with 4 rb and 6 ast.

Nutjob

William Walters · 05-09-11, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by doublej95

Jordan has been better than Kobe everyday of his life.

Even when his gambling got his father murdered?

William Walters · 05-09-11, 05:19 PM

Originally posted by rm18

Who was better Kobe at 32 or Jordan at 40?

People..........the question wasn't "who was better.........Kobe or Jordan?".........it was Kobe at 32 verse Jordan at 40!

Kobe at 32 would blow right by Jordan. Jordan was NOTHING special at 40.

BettingWizard · 05-09-11, 05:36 PM

Originally posted by William Walters

People..........the question wasn't "who was better.........Kobe or Jordan?".........it was Kobe at 32 verse Jordan at 40!

Kobe at 32 would blow right by Jordan. Jordan was NOTHING special at 40.

Jordan's first year with the Wizards

23/6/5 1.4 steals

23 Year old Kobe

25/6/6 1.7 steals

23 year old Jordan

37/5/5 2.9 steals

crustyme · 05-09-11, 05:47 PM

people conveniently forget that kobe still has a broken finger, bum knee and ankle yet played more games than anyone the past 4 seasons.

they also forget that jordan without pippen never had a winning season (5 seasons), managed a meager 1-9 post season record and never won any major awards (no mvp, no all nba defense team, no defensive player of the year, no title).

if kobe had pippen (hof), rodman (hof), kerr (clutch), paxson (clutch), cartwright, longley, harper, kukoc and others, he wouldnt have been swept either.

even phil will admit this was the least talented team hes ever had that won a title.

BettingWizard · 05-09-11, 05:56 PM

jordan never got swept or lost in the 2nd round with any type of supporting cast

crusty still defending a guy that only had 23/3/3 at age 32 in the playoffs. Pathetic.

William Walters · 05-09-11, 05:57 PM

Originally posted by BettingWizard

Jordan's first year with the Wizards

23/6/5 1.4 steals

23 Year old Kobe

25/6/6 1.7 steals

23 year old Jordan

37/5/5 2.9 steals

Nice cherry picking stats.

Year before, at 22, Kobe averages over 28ppg, yet you discount that for the following year because that was Jordan's CAREER best ppg average. Oh, and lets not forget that Jordan was Mr. Everything with the shitbox Bulls team that had a LOSING record. Who the F cares about ppg if you can't lead your team to victory?

Lets also keep in mind that Kobe, at 23, Kobe was not the "number one option" on offense because the Lakers had Shaq in his prime scoring close to 30 ppg (those Lakers championship teams worked "inside-outside"....which is why Shaq was the number one option).

It also took Jordan SEVEN years to win a title.

By the time Kobe had been in the league seven years he ALREADY HAD THREE TITLES!

You can't dig at Kobe for having Shaq help lead the way to three early titles and then bang on Kobe for scoring less than Jordan did per game when Jordan was option one, two, and three on those shitty Bulls teams.

Is/was Kobe as good as Jordan? Nope. But, your stats/post are a complete joke.

William Walters · 05-09-11, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by crustyme

people conveniently forget that kobe still has a broken finger, bum knee and ankle yet played more games than anyone the past 4 seasons.

they also forget that jordan without pippen never had a winning season (5 seasons), managed a meager 1-9 post season record and never won any major awards (no mvp, no all nba defense team, no defensive player of the year, no title).

if kobe had pippen (hof), rodman (hof), kerr (clutch), paxson (clutch), cartwright, longley, harper, kukoc and others, he wouldnt have been swept either.

even phil will admit this was the least talented team hes ever had that won a title.

BettingWizard · 05-09-11, 05:59 PM

Jordan's first year with the wizards was when Kobe was 23, that's why I put those up.

33.6 Points in the Playoff Careerrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. There's your cherry picking stat

William Walters · 05-09-11, 06:01 PM

Originally posted by BettingWizard

jordan never got swept or lost in the 2nd round with any type of supporting cast

crusty still defending a guy that only had 23/3/3 at age 32 in the playoffs. Pathetic.

Do you have any CLUE whatsoever as to how many NBA games Kobe, at age 32, has played when compared to other former/current NBA All-Stars around the same age? He came straight from high school and because the Lakers have played so damn many playoff games his body has logged WAY MORE minutes than his age indicates.

Some people hate blindly (and "dumbly").

BettingWizard · 05-09-11, 06:02 PM

Kobe's Supporting Cast has bailed him out much much more than Jordan's Supporting Cast did.

Rodman and Pippen had many subpar games in 97 and 98. Rodman had many games with 5 rebounds or less and Pippen struggled with his shot half of the games.

BettingWizard · 05-09-11, 06:03 PM

Originally posted by William Walters

Do you have any CLUE whatsoever as to how many NBA games Kobe, at age 32, has played when compared to other former/current NBA All-Stars around the same age? He came straight from high school and because the Lakers have played so damn many playoff games his body has logged WAY MORE minutes than his age indicates.

Some people hate blindly (and "dumbly").

lol you just did what you accused me of doing earlier.

You say Kobe won more his first seven years, and did do the excuse that at 32 he has played many more games.

William Walters · 05-09-11, 06:03 PM

Originally posted by BettingWizard

Jordan's first year with the wizards was when Kobe was 23, that's why I put those up.

33.6 Points in the Playoff Careerrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. There's your cherry picking stat

Always as the number one & two option in the Bulls offensive scheme. If Jordan had a teammate scoring close to 30ppg (as Shaq did) his numbers would be nowhere near what they are.

Again, not saying Kobe was/is as good as Jordan.