It's official....Obama will not release death photo of OBL

[ttrace35]

The government lies to the people about aliens.

[freeze]

Fufuk obama he does our country no good

[frostno98]

Jessica Lynch story = LIE
Pat Tillman story = LIE
Osama Bin Laden death story = Truth

Yeah if Bin Laden isn't dead, wouldn't you think that idiot would gladly show his face as soon as possible to make this President and the Navy Seals look stupid. I mean what would be more gratifying for Bin Laden if he's not dead, to make dumb@ss Americans to look even more stupid for celebrating on the streets of New York of his death when's he's still alive and doing well

This is how dumb the right wing nutbags in America thinks. First the Birthers and soon this. These right wings nutbags will do in anything in their living breathe's to cast doubts on this Great President.

[nyed1010]

So it's people like Sarah Palin who killed those kids in Libya last week and bought votes to push through a policy widely rejected by the voters last year.......ok. I guess I'm that unintelligent demographic because I thought I saw someone else who is actually an elected official do those things Thanks for enlightening me!

No idiot, it's unintelligent ignorant people like Sarah Palin who continue to be placed on this pedestal by conservatives that make people all around the world laugh at us. Killed those kids in Libya? WTF are you talking about? And are you talking about health care, ya because things like banning interracial marriage and slavery were unpopular in it's day...............

[Andy117]

Obama is a pussy, plain and simple. Of course he listens to his Muslim friends and tells the American people to **** off.

WORST PRESIDENT EVER.

Yeah, he was really a pussy when he ordered this attack. If he had any balls at all he would have just dropped a bomb instead.

[rsnnh12]

Yeah if Bin Laden isn't dead, wouldn't you think that idiot would gladly show his face as soon as possible to make this President and the Navy Seals look stupid. I mean what would be more gratifying for Bin Laden if he's not dead, to make dumb@ss Americans to look even more stupid for celebrating on the streets of New York of his death when's he's still alive and doing well

This is how dumb the right wing nutbags in America thinks. First the Birthers and soon this. These right wings nutbags will do in anything in their living breathe's to cast doubts on this Great President.

For the record, their argument isn't necessarily that he's still alive, its that he's been dead for a while. They have some legitimate criticisms... no photo of him dead because Obama doesn't want to provoke terrorists, but he pushed for the release of the Abu Ghraib abuse photos which, wait for it, provoked the terrorists. Supposedly the live feed went down for 20 minutes during the attack. They buried him at sea that day, even though the closest body of water is 1000 miles away... why the rush??

I'm not saying it didn't happen like Obama said it did, but he certainly isn't helping himself prove it.

And LOL at "Great President". Was that sarcasm?

[Iced]

Yeah if Bin Laden isn't dead, wouldn't you think that idiot would gladly show his face as soon as possible to make this President and the Navy Seals look stupid

He's probably already been dead. The government has already covered their tracks if he is still alive by saying that he would have made a video saying he's alive just in case he was killed. The government has made it impossible for them to be wrong, at least semantically.

This is how dumb the right wing nutbags in America thinks. First the Birthers and soon this. These right wings nutbags will do in anything in their living breathe's to cast doubts on this Great President.

It would be interesting if you attempted to actually help defend your "Great President" intellectually rather than just calling names. I don't expect that any time soon though. The government has been known to lie, especially the military and the President. Obama's no different and he isn't infallible. Sorry some people don't accept as face value everything the government says and actually question authority.

[muldoon]

but he pushed for the release of the Abu Ghraib abuse photos which, wait for it, provoked the terrorists.

When did he "push" for the release of the photos? I know he originally said he'd release Abu Ghraib photos when the ACLU sued, but he later instructed the DOJ to fight it in court.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/5320559/Barack-Obama-attempts-to-block-alleged-torture-photos.html

[itchypickle]

Yeah if Bin Laden isn't dead, wouldn't you think that idiot would gladly show his face as soon as possible to make this President and the Navy Seals look stupid. I mean what would be more gratifying for Bin Laden if he's not dead, to make dumb@ss Americans to look even more stupid for celebrating on the streets of New York of his death when's he's still alive and doing well

This is how dumb the right wing nutbags in America thinks. First the Birthers and soon this. These right wings nutbags will do in anything in their living breathe's to cast doubts on this Great President.

A) Not saying Bin Laden is alive, I'm 99.99993/4% sure he's been dead for years now.

B) What is your premise for 'great president'? Give us reasons here.

[King Mayan]

A) Not saying Bin Laden is alive, I'm 99.99993/4% sure he's been dead for years now.

B) What is your premise for 'great president'? Give us reasons here.

How do you know he's been dead?? And we will know if Obama is a great president when he leaves office!

[King Mayan]

Yeah, he was really a pussy when he ordered this attack. If he had any balls at all he would have just dropped a bomb instead.

Don't pay attention to that pussy!

[losturmarbles]

Yeah if Bin Laden isn't dead, wouldn't you think that idiot would gladly show his face as soon as possible to make this President and the Navy Seals look stupid. I mean what would be more gratifying for Bin Laden if he's not dead, to make dumb@ss Americans to look even more stupid for celebrating on the streets of New York of his death when's he's still alive and doing well

This is how dumb the right wing nutbags in America thinks. First the Birthers and soon this. These right wings nutbags will do in anything in their living breathe's to cast doubts on this Great President.

Bin Laden's been dead since 2001.

[losturmarbles]

Where's Wikileaks when you need them?

fukk CIAleaks

[itchypickle]

How do you know he's been dead?? And we will know if Obama is great president when he leaves office!

King, let me premise it by stating I'm not one of the 'conspiracy' heads....I'm not a birther, I'm not one who believes 9/11 was a hoax...I'm just saying it's no big secret among many from the military who know he had his ticket punched years ago...same goes for the fact of the killing of Zarqawi and a few other murderers.

In fact, I'm sick to my stomach almost watching this story play out how it is...about to just read and not debate it anymore soon out of respect to a certain bunch of men. So I have no clue exactly the rhyme or reason behind this weekends incident, who they killed there if anyone or whatever....but I feel confident enough to say I'd bet anything in this world that I own or ever will own...it sure as hell was NOT Bin Laden.

[losturmarbles]

Lost is that the 'gang of 6' failed to come to an agreement on the 2012 budget today also....and let's not forget the agreement to move ahead with a Pakistan/Afghanistan Transit Agreement between them and China and NOT the U.S. from here out, basically screwing us out of a return on investments made over years.

Move along move along, all is well with unemployment and jobs and budget and Libya and so forth now....

fukk the gang of 6 too

[falconticket]

Yeah if Bin Laden isn't dead, wouldn't you think that idiot would gladly show his face as soon as possible to make this President and the Navy Seals look stupid. I mean what would be more gratifying for Bin Laden if he's not dead, to make dumb@ss Americans to look even more stupid for celebrating on the streets of New York of his death when's he's still alive and doing well

This is how dumb the right wing nutbags in America thinks. First the Birthers and soon this. These right wings nutbags will do in anything in their living breathe's to cast doubts on this Great President.

I think it would be more gratifying to continue to play hide and seek. Certainly he wouldn't come out of hiding now and go on Oprah.

[King Mayan]

King, let me premise it by stating I'm not one of the 'conspiracy' heads....I'm not a birther, I'm not one who believes 9/11 was a hoax...I'm just saying it's no big secret among many from the military who know he had his ticket punched years ago...same goes for the fact of the killing of Zarqawi and a few other murderers.

In fact, I'm sick to my stomach almost watching this story play out how it is...about to just read and not debate it anymore soon out of respect to a certain bunch of men. So I have no clue exactly the rhyme or reason behind this weekends incident, who they killed there if anyone or whatever....but I feel confident enough to say I'd bet anything in this world that I own or ever will own...it sure as hell was NOT Bin Laden.

No. Nobody knew he was dead..... We always used to think he was dead, because our superiors would never talk about the fukk...... So, between us we would say " oh I'm pretty sure that muthafukka is dead" but never really knew.

[losturmarbles]

King, let me premise it by stating I'm not one of the 'conspiracy' heads....I'm not a birther, I'm not one who believes 9/11 was a hoax...I'm just saying it's no big secret among many from the military who know he had his ticket punched years ago...same goes for the fact of the killing of Zarqawi and a few other murderers.

In fact, I'm sick to my stomach almost watching this story play out how it is...about to just read and not debate it anymore soon out of respect to a certain bunch of men. So I have no clue exactly the rhyme or reason behind this weekends incident, who they killed there if anyone or whatever....but I feel confident enough to say I'd bet anything in this world that I own or ever will own...it sure as hell was NOT Bin Laden.

It was a CIA run operation also... When's the last time the CIA ran a special mission using forces that were not CIA?

[falconticket]

Pics or it didn't happen

[losturmarbles]

Inside Sources: Bin Laden’s Corpse Has Been On Ice For Nearly a Decade

Osama Bin Laden Pronounced Dead…For the Ninth Time

[ttrace35]

Ok marbles

[itchypickle]

It was a CIA run operation also... When's the last time the CIA ran a special mission using forces that were not CIA?

CIA teams up with other people routinely. RWOs or real world operations are coordinated between CAGs (covert action groups) and Army ODAs (Green Berets term for A Teams) and regular Army units (used mainly as blocking teams and so forth but are not briefed on who/what they are doing normally).
Sure there are true 'black ops' but for the most part, CIA and active military work alongside contractors all the time in Afghanistan/Iraq etc.

[frostno98]

Bin Laden's been dead since 2001.

Yeah, and Pigs can fly

[Reno Paul]

I want to see some pictures of the dead OBL......Hell we seen pics of Saddam dead. WTF!!!!

[losturmarbles]

CIA teams up with other people routinely. RWOs or real world operations are coordinated between CAGs (covert action groups) and Army ODAs (Green Berets term for A Teams) and regular Army units (used mainly as blocking teams and so forth but are not briefed on who/what they are doing normally).
Sure there are true 'black ops' but for the most part, CIA and active military work alongside contractors all the time in Afghanistan/Iraq etc.

You didn't address my question. The CIA ran the mission, not the SEALs. If the CIA ran the mission, they're not going to trust the SEALs or anyone else except CIA.

I understand they work together on bigger projects and blah blah blah, but a small team assassination mission? Why would they bring in SEALs instead of their own people?

[itchypickle]

No. Nobody knew he was dead..... We always used to think he was dead, because our superiors would never talk about the fukk...... So, between us we would say " oh I'm pretty sure that muthafukka is dead" but never really knew.

Not the reasoning I'm talking about my friend...we'll just agree to disagree...guess it's not meant for a forum topic. Cheers

[rsnnh12]

You didn't address my question. The CIA ran the mission, not the SEALs. If the CIA ran the mission, they're not going to trust the SEALs or anyone else except CIA.

I understand they work together on bigger projects and blah blah blah, but a small team assassination mission? Why would they bring in SEALs instead of their own people?

From what I understand, SEAL Team 6 is the elite of the elite. Their operations are as secretive as the CIAs are. Its not even a regular SEAL unit, its way above that. Its like comparing a security guard to a Secret Service agent

[itchypickle]

You didn't address my question. The CIA ran the mission, not the SEALs. If the CIA ran the mission, they're not going to trust the SEALs or anyone else except CIA.

I understand they work together on bigger projects and blah blah blah, but a small team assassination mission? Why would they bring in SEALs instead of their own people?

Sorry, let me clear it up...like I stated before, I'm clueless as to the whole reason behind the reported incident this weekend.....MANY aspects of the makeup of the op are random as hell from what I've known.....but to address your part specifically....YES this was a CIA led op using SEAL 6 under Title 50....the CAG or CIA members were definitely on this one for the 'hitters' or shooters....in no way was this meant to be anything other than an assassination....the SEALS were used, to use a football analogy, as blockers for them to run through and 'score' per se. I'm guessing they planned for heavier resistance by security guards as that was always Bin Ladens M-O to have loyalists surrounding him 24/7 so to have the reported number of SEALS onboardmakes sense there seeing as how it's standard procedure to want a 3:1 advantage manpower wise before engaging in one of those raids. You also have to take into account contingency for the exit...having the SEALS provide the escape support only makes it easier. Personally...I'm pondering why from looking at the layout in the videos of compaound and surroundings...they didn't simply post 2 sniper teams in the adjacent mountain range and tag him that way....but oh well...that's worked many many times in Afghanistan on kill missions.

[losturmarbles]

From what I understand, SEAL Team 6 is the elite of the elite. Their operations are as secretive as the CIAs are. Its not even a regular SEAL unit, its way above that. Its like comparing a security guard to a Secret Service agent

Ok, that makes more sense.

Sorry, let me clear it up...like I stated before, I'm clueless as to the whole reason behind the reported incident this weekend.....MANY aspects of the makeup of the op are random as hell from what I've known.....but to address your part specifically....YES this was a CIA led op using SEAL 6 under Title 50....the CAG or CIA members were definitely on this one for the 'hitters' or shooters....in no way was this meant to be anything other than an assassination....the SEALS were used, to use a football analogy, as blockers for them to run through and 'score' per se. I'm guessing they planned for heavier resistance by security guards as that was always Bin Ladens M-O to have loyalists surrounding him 24/7 so to have the reported number of SEALS onboardmakes sense there seeing as how it's standard procedure to want a 3:1 advantage manpower wise before engaging in one of those raids. You also have to take into account contingency for the exit...having the SEALS provide the escape support only makes it easier. Personally...I'm pondering why from looking at the layout in the videos of compaound and surroundings...they didn't simply post 2 sniper teams in the adjacent mountain range and tag him that way....but oh well...that's worked many many times in Afghanistan on kill missions.

Yeah, I just remember reading that it was CIA command, thought it was weird considering all the endless lauding for the SEALs. Thanks for the response.

[itchypickle]

Ok, that makes more sense.



Yeah, I just remember reading that it was CIA command, thought it was weird considering all the endless lauding for the SEALs. Thanks for the response.

The SEALs are a good buzz word for pundits I think....maybe that's why since they are in the psyche of teenagers from video games and tv commentators who wouldn't otherwise know where to begin to describe military issues..and honestly in the last decade the entire Special Operations realm has become so large that even current military still have hard time keeping up


And to the post about Team 6....in a nutshell they are the Navy's version of a Delta team etc....more experienced SEALs who don't have other jobs on a daily basis in the Navy as many other SEAL members do...they are 100% on training or deployment or just laid up on the beach having a drink

[BettingWizard]

There's no way Bush would have kept Bin Ladin's death a secret in a close election race.

There's no way an Elite Navy Seal Team would be involved in a cover-up like this.

There's no way the government would crash a top secret helicopter and enable the Chinese to gain the technology from the remains in a hoax.


All 3 statements would have to be true for the a conspiracy to be true, and that is simply impossible.

[rkelly110]

Finally, BettingWizard has it right. Laid out in simple, no bullshit form.

[losturmarbles]

There's no way Bush would have kept Bin Ladin's death a secret in a close election race.

There's no way an Elite Navy Seal Team would be involved in a cover-up like this.

There's no way the government would crash a top secret helicopter and enable the Chinese to gain the technology from the remains in a hoax.


All 3 statements would have to be true for the a conspiracy to be true, and that is simply impossible.

No way Bush would lie about yellow cake uranium and links to Al Queda in Iraq either.

No way the highest military authorities, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, would sign off on and present Operation Northwoods to JFK in 1962. The operation called for waves of violent false flag terrorism against our own citizens to blame on Castro and wage war against Cuba.

Looks like they did crash one and leave it for the Chinese:

[itchypickle]

There's no way Bush would have kept Bin Ladin's death a secret in a close election race.

There's no way an Elite Navy Seal Team would be involved in a cover-up like this.

There's no way the government would crash a top secret helicopter and enable the Chinese to gain the technology from the remains in a hoax.


All 3 statements would have to be true for the a conspiracy to be true, and that is simply impossible.

The 'threat' of Bin Laden helped Bush in his policy for Iraq......second -you don't think teams are used in missions liken this for strategic interest to govt?? lastly the downed helicopter wasn't meant to be grounded for one, and two - it wasn't a 'top secret' one by common terms as in, it didn't have cloak technology or James Bond weapons.....the secrecy classifications that go along with aircraft are just based on how it's outfitted for a particular mission....and ALL U.S.aircraft are considered secret based solely on the newest computer systems and so forth. I'm just throwing that in there in case people were thinking of the thing as a 'black helicopter' from a Hollywood show.

[onlooker]

We have a lot of naive people if they think the Government always tells the truth.