Millennium's unfair rating

**jjgold** · 09-05-05, 03:15 PM

Thanks Mike

**Scorpion** · 09-05-05, 04:32 PM

I played at Millenium for 3 yrs and always got paid before my acct was closed

Mike, is there anyway I can comeback and play football teasers and wager only on overnight lines??

**mmitchell** · 09-05-05, 04:43 PM

Scorpion,

Go ahead and give me a call at 1-800-824-1637 and I'll more then glad to discuss your account status.

Mike

**Scorpion** · 09-05-05, 04:49 PM

Alex ext 5318 said you are in a meeting

**Bill Dozer** · 09-05-05, 06:18 PM

Hello mmitchell,

You were not one of the people I spoke to, so maybe I can help clarify a few things.

Bill from SBR approached us the other day concerning a client (KW) who was a client at the now defunct sportsbook, Changeabet.

I was inquiring for months and I first asked about KW when ChangeABet had closed and Mill inherited their assets.

Now KW has made a claim to Bill from SBR that he was still owed $23,000 by Changeabet in the form of a payout or some other nonsense. He claims that Millennium assumed the balances of clients at Changeabet, but left him out in the cold.

It was me that thought it appropriate for him to inquire with Millennium, not KW.

I also think that Bill should do his homework before he assumes Millennium of any improprieties. Maybe this is why Millennium Sports, undeservingly, has a “D” rating with SBR.

Millennium has a D+.

The reason I contacted Millennium was to give the sportsbook a chance to freshen up a foul-smelling relationship with ChangeaBet. I don't think it is right for a sportsbook to pretend to be a hero, assuming only the player debt that is below or near what it costs for you to actually acquire a new player. It doesn't bode well for Millennium to take on the staff of a stiff book and to redirect the stiff site to your site so you can benefit from the lingering traffic and advertising.

Over the 10 months of calls to Mill, there was no mention of KW already receiving something. Calling Mill should have been the best way to get my "homework" done.

What I was told by your former owner was that the newly hired Changeabet Staff manipulated balances and stole money that was supposed to go to stiffed CAB players.

This was not a complaint filed against Mill, and it is not documented as such. There is nothing to defend, as nothing negative was said about BetMill. I told your GM that Mill would be the next BoS satellite book to receive an evaluation, regardless of whether or not it chose to help KW, and that is still the case.

The reason Millennium was downgraded to D+ at the start of this year was because it was fully purchased by BetonSports, a company that has cheated and stiffed players in the past.

**square** · 09-05-05, 06:33 PM

They pay me and have always never a problem guy's.

sq's rating gentlemen ?

I'm saying c book all the way guy's safe out period.

sq

**marc** · 09-05-05, 06:59 PM

Square,

Mill has always paid me on time. WHat we need to remember is that there is a lot that goes into the grading of a book. In this case, Mill is part of BOS. BOS, under previous management has stiffed a number of players. Now under the new management, it's much less likely that anyone will be stiffed like they were before. But do you just forgive the past, and say the grades should be soley dependent on the present. Or do we require books to rectify any past injustice, before we will recommend that anyone use them.

**Senator7** · 09-05-05, 07:03 PM

Originally posted by Bill Dozer

The reason Millennium was downgraded to D+ at the start of this year was because it was fully purchased by BetonSports, a company that has cheated and stiffed players in the past.

This is all one needs to know about Millennium. I'm sure they're a decent sportsbook, and I'm sure that they pay out, but the fact remains that they're owned by the "evil empire" of the sportsbook world.

Senator 7

**mmitchell** · 09-05-05, 07:59 PM

Bill,

Thank you for clarifying the KW issue, I wish we would have spoken about this before to avoid all the confusion, I hope that between your comments and mine the Changeabet deal is now clear for everybody.

Now, allow me to explain a couple of things about the relationship between BoS and Millennium hoping that it will finally stop hurting Millennium’s reputation.

BoS went public in July of 2004 as everybody already knows, the old ownership was eliminated and replaced with British investors…then went and bought Millennium too….these people don’t stiff players, the old regime did… but they are gone.

Millennium though owned by BoS Plc has independent management…same as Disney Corp. owning ABC Television……Disney is the parent company but ABC still runs itself……..

Mike Mitchell

**Bill Dozer** · 09-05-05, 08:35 PM

Mike,

I will touch base with KW so all parties have the same information. My first thought is that this debit is related to the CAB/Mill employee.

BoS went public in July of 2004 as everybody already knows, the old ownership was eliminated and replaced with British investors…then went and bought Millennium too….these people don’t stiff players, the old regime did… but they are gone.

I wish this logic worked in the rest of the world. I would buy properties with debts against them and tell the bank, "Tough luck. I am new ownership. "

I am sure "new ownership" didn't make a purchase of this magnitude and not realize what they were buying. They are responsible for the BoS debt.

That said, we do acknowledge that these related sportsbooks are using different software, locations and managers. For this reason, it is possible that the satellite books may rate slightly above BoS itself.

**EBone** · 09-05-05, 09:38 PM

Maybe I'm a little "green" but I trust SBR's ratings systems very, very much. It would appear to me (again maybe a little "green" with this comment) that the very tone of the initial posting by Mr. Mitchell would infer that SBR is making a dent in the online gambling world with their comprehensive ratings system. It seems to me that when SBR gives an online book a D+ that it is starting to (or has already or has from the get-go) really hurt some of these guys that are D+ rated and below.

I'm probably missing out on some great opportunities with some of these books that SBR has rated very low. I'm just a schmuck player so what do I know. All I know is this: if I win, and believe me, I don't win as often as I would like. But I gotta know that I'm gonna get paid if I win my wager. I am 99.99% confident that I will be paid if I win at books rated on SBR that are B+ and above. I personally make it a policy not to play at books that are not rated B+ or above. And I know I'm missing out on some great value at places like Mansion and Matchbook.

To summarize, my opinion is that B+ land is becoming coveted by some of these online bookmakers. Maybe I'm wrong. Just an opinion.

E

**Senator7** · 09-05-05, 09:40 PM

Originally posted by EBone

I'm probably missing out on some great opportunities with some of these books that SBR has rated very low.

Actually, you're not because the books that SBR has rated A- to A+ are the cream of the crop and the only books you'll ever need.

Senator 7

**SBR_John** · 09-05-05, 09:59 PM

D+ does possibly seem low. These BoS books have been tough on us to get an accurate rating on. Are they married to BoS's rating or should they float?

Of course participating in scams that rip off SBR content like http://www.sportsbookaudit.com/recom...portsbooks.htm do not build trust and show poor character.

We can review recent player comments and reassess Millennium’s rating.

**Terris** · 09-05-05, 10:03 PM

If Millenium would offer great customer service, fast payouts, and everything else that is possible to make their customers happy (im not saying they dont, i dont know them) - im sure they would be upgraded very fast.
Coming here saying D+ is unfair is not the right way to make me believe you guys are good and honest, as mentioned above: i do trust SBR ratings a lot.

**jjgold** · 09-06-05, 05:57 AM

Mill is an ok book but no top 40 or so

**square** · 09-06-05, 12:02 PM

Look At My Post

Originally posted by marc

Square,

Mill has always paid me on time. WHat we need to remember is that there is a lot that goes into the grading of a book. In this case, Mill is part of BOS. BOS, under previous management has stiffed a number of players. Now under the new management, it's much less likely that anyone will be stiffed like they were before. But do you just forgive the past, and say the grades should be soley dependent on the present. Or do we require books to rectify any past injustice, before we will recommend that anyone use them.

hey man,

I am with you 100% PAID ME every MONDAY for years NO PEOBLEMs EVER as I said.

sq

**square** · 09-06-05, 12:05 PM

thats exactly right j

Originally posted by jjgold

Mill is an ok book but no top 40 or so

That sums it wp well j..... exactly right.

thanks bill and your fine staff too.

good job guys,
sq

**Point Spread** · 09-06-05, 02:53 PM

I used to work for Millennium a few years back, mr Miller was still the CEO, i started working there as a clerk, they pay $4 h to start, for a costarican salary is not bad (some books pay $5 - $5.5 to start) after 2 months i was a "wagering floor supervisor" so basically you just take calls from pissed off ppl, I actually know Mike M. personally, very respectable guy (and quite the lady's man), to make it short i ended up as a "line WATCHER" cuz all i had to do was look at Donbest and move the friggin line (most boring job i have ever had) but in this position you get to know several circumstances as they come, but i never ever heard of someone getting stiffed @ Millennium, so i would give it an OK book to play with (you know you are not getting robbed) but i would not put them in the top 20 book's, they pay, most of the ppl there know what they are doing, but some ppl just get the job cuz of WHO you know and not WHAT you know, and that only leads to a not so great management, so i guess giving them a "D" is Fair enough, but anyway, that's only imo, im a small time gambler, only play $10 - $25 tops, but i wouldn't fell worried bout playing at millennium (not like playing my amounts is any risk) but just thought i say a few words about the place, they never treated me bad, xcept for this mthrfckr of R.R hope he is in pain right now.... believe me, what an AH. Enough said, enjoy playing guys!

Best of luck to everyone on this New Football SSN.

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