Full Tilt, Pokerstars, Ultimate Bet seized by gov't?

**donkdown** · 04-16-11, 11:28 PM

I'm so up in arms I figured I'd drop my hard ass sports gambling act!! This is really bad for all of us!!

**GunShard** · 04-16-11, 11:31 PM

Originally posted by donkdown

There is what should be and there is what is. Moralizing the issue is irrelevant. The same guys processing these cashouts were involved in wholesale CC fraud. Moving money is the linchpin to crime, and with the amount of money involved, poker sites are a natural place to do it.

I've known guys to move drug money through poker sites, narcotic and steroid sales involving Russia and countries like Moldova where everything is for sale. I've seen guys from Moldova sitting together with a few Russains and you know it's not about poker. I'd bet my life terrorism money has been funneled through a poker site, and certainly it's a haven for cleaning drug money. Those are ground zero countries for proliferation of all things hard to obtain.

That Pokerstars tries to prevent it and doesn't want that is beside the point. It happens, certain factions in the US gov't don't want it, and when the US puts a target on you; you have little choice but to lay back and take it. It sucks, I don't agree with it as they will simply find other channels to move money, but that is beside the point. Stars and Tilt ownership knew this day would come, they rolled the dice they could bank enough to make a settlement and eventually skate. Whether that happens remains to be seen.

Interesting insight. Poker sites are a smart way to transfer drug money and terrorism money.

I hope they leave legit online casinos out of this.

**donkdown** · 04-16-11, 11:35 PM

No chance Gunshard. Some of these processors are used from the books on top.

**donkdown** · 04-17-11, 12:12 AM

Originally posted by GunShard

Interesting insight. Poker sites are a smart way to transfer drug money and terrorism money.

I hope they leave legit online casinos out of this.

The Rival software casino's have stopped accepting new US player's today. Rival along with RTG completely dominate the online casino market similar to Pokerstars and Full Tilt in Poker.

**secretstash** · 04-17-11, 12:19 AM

so if we got funds at stars what do we do just wait or has anyone had success cashing out?

-stash

**NYSportsGuy210** · 04-17-11, 12:45 AM

Originally posted by sideloaded

you're the dumb one.

Wow is that really your sis in your avatar?

**king** · 04-17-11, 12:45 AM

I wonder where poker addict are going to play now. Time for bodog to take over the US market.

**donkdown** · 04-17-11, 12:50 AM

Originally posted by secretstash

so if we got funds at stars what do we do just wait or has anyone had success cashing out?

-stash

Secret u cant cash out if u wanted!! Try it will pop up a message telling you this.

**plzkthx** · 04-17-11, 12:54 AM

Damn I still have money on ps and ftp.

**darys** · 04-17-11, 01:03 AM

Originally posted by plzkthx

Damn I still have money on ps and ftp.

Both ps and ft made statements that the fundings are safe for US players.

**PokerDave** · 04-17-11, 02:37 AM

Originally posted by secretstash

so if we got funds at stars what do we do just wait or has anyone had success cashing out?

-stash

I just cashed out from PokerStars and received an email saying my check will be delivered
within 15 days.

. It usually takes about 5 days to get here, but I'll post when (IF) it
shows (Fingers Crossed).

.

OUT.

**vividjohn45** · 04-17-11, 03:05 AM

Originally posted by JoshB

Fukk I'm going to take most of my money out of 5dimes as a precaution. I don't know how i am going to continue gambling on sports if they seize the sportsbooks as well.

Can you call in bets to Vegas Casino's?? That might be my only way after this.

station casinos in Las vegas have account setup where u deposit minimum $100 and then you can place bets over the internet or page them in (telephone) but you have to be a nevada residient.

and i don't think any nevada residient would be wise to deal with any out of state dudes, cuz of the hostile enviroment.

but yeah stattion casinos has a website with stats and pics and wagering lines for the day's games, ect.

its nice.

**vividjohn45** · 04-17-11, 03:11 AM

Originally posted by jjgold

again las vegas wins

they can stop everything

they are going to stop sports betting next

hey now jj. nevada is trying to pass interstate poker for americans. several casinos were contracted with full tilt , and stars. but this is being busted up right now.

station casinos has contracted with 888. who has declined to play in the american market until all this broo haah haa has died down.

JJ gold.

i think a interstate solution would be better, then u as a american having a swiiss poker stars account pretending you were some Alpanian. yoo dooling from the majestics you made a full house.

john

**vividjohn45** · 04-17-11, 03:12 AM

jjj gold SBR PRO " yooo dooo laayyy hhheeyyyy ho" ^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^

**vividjohn45** · 04-17-11, 03:16 AM

Originally posted by jjgold

Shady I am already A Swiss account holder in Poker Stars

I act QUICK

**vividjohn45** · 04-17-11, 03:17 AM

now there is a working solution for the citizens of this good country America. and i hate to say it but poker stars was sponsoring a bill in the nevada legislature to pass interstate gaming. card player magazine. casino edition.

april 6, 2011.

**nyplayer33** · 04-17-11, 04:03 AM

so the money is safe but how the fk can u access it..the funding and cashouts are seriously in jeopardy......you really think any processor will touch these sites

**icancount2one** · 04-17-11, 04:55 AM

In b4 poker is ruled a game of skill and therefore outside the scope of the vague language of the UIGEA.

Call me an optimist.

**thecodster** · 04-17-11, 04:58 AM

the casino's are loving this

**Richards** · 04-17-11, 05:31 AM

For the people who are clamoring about Bodog, Bookmaker, 5Dimes etc being "next" -- I don't buy it. The FBI and Federal DA's are GLORY WHORES. People have HEARD OF Pokerstars and Fulltilt. Big fish to fry and all that.

I just don't see federal prosecutors spending the time and resources going after some of the smaller fish, it just doesn't appeal to their monstrous egos. PS and FT would doing business probably 1 or 2 orders of MAGNITUDE bigger than some of the smaller names. Also they were very VISIBLE.

I'm not saying it's impossible that they'll go after some smaller poker sites, but it just doesn't fit something a federal DA would want to use for his Career climbing ambitions.

**davidchong** · 04-17-11, 07:09 AM

agree, they are looking for big fishhh

**davidchong** · 04-17-11, 07:10 AM

FTP took down his system......

**wrongturn** · 04-17-11, 08:29 AM

So far they only shut down the sites if their top guy travel to US and get arrested. Hint hint.

**stevenash** · 04-17-11, 08:37 AM

It's over Johnny

**ncsubowen** · 04-17-11, 08:47 AM

Originally posted by Richards

For the people who are clamoring about Bodog, Bookmaker, 5Dimes etc being "next" -- I don't buy it. The FBI and Federal DA's are GLORY WHORES. People have HEARD OF Pokerstars and Fulltilt. Big fish to fry and all that.

I just don't see federal prosecutors spending the time and resources going after some of the smaller fish, it just doesn't appeal to their monstrous egos. PS and FT would doing business probably 1 or 2 orders of MAGNITUDE bigger than some of the smaller names. Also they were very VISIBLE.

I'm not saying it's impossible that they'll go after some smaller poker sites, but it just doesn't fit something a federal DA would want to use for his Career climbing ambitions.

Advertising on TV, paying for players to go to the WSOP, sponsoring, of course these guys were going to go down. I forget the poster earlier in the thread but that was perfect - they were just hoping to make enough money to be able to settle and bail. Not really anything else to it.

**boatboatboat** · 04-17-11, 08:51 AM

They bought a US BANK. They don't do that and bribe other banks and NONE of this happens.

It's all about the way they processed the $

**jesterson** · 04-17-11, 09:02 AM

Originally posted by Cap dat 4ss

I demand a 100% refund from all sites involved on all losses, since they were illegal losses. I will be suing the DOJ for my money.

LOL, OK Mr. Picard....

**username474** · 04-17-11, 09:13 AM

Originally posted by secretstash

so if we got funds at stars what do we do just wait or has anyone had success cashing out?

-stash

My friend is leaving the country to come stay with me while he opens a non U.S. bank account and gets a non U.S. utility bill so that he can recieve payouts. Other then doing something along those lines you would have to wait awhile I am assuming.

**donkdown** · 04-17-11, 09:29 AM

Originally posted by Richards

For the people who are clamoring about Bodog, Bookmaker, 5Dimes etc being "next" -- I don't buy it. The FBI and Federal DA's are GLORY WHORES. People have HEARD OF Pokerstars and Fulltilt. Big fish to fry and all that.

I just don't see federal prosecutors spending the time and resources going after some of the smaller fish, it just doesn't appeal to their monstrous egos. PS and FT would doing business probably 1 or 2 orders of MAGNITUDE bigger than some of the smaller names. Also they were very VISIBLE.

I'm not saying it's impossible that they'll go after some smaller poker sites, but it just doesn't fit something a federal DA would want to use for his Career climbing ambitions.

Really?? This same office has been popping little pos processors since 2006 after Neteller. Believe me sports gambling is next!! The thing I think is funny is how long it took these morons and all the money they spent. They should of came here they could of had this cracked and done in a weekend! So walker or whoever the fck is in charge here.. Start letteing us type western U. Money G. Credit C. these fcks don't come here.

**donkdown** · 04-17-11, 09:33 AM

Originally posted by darys

Both ps and ft made statements that the fundings are safe for US players.

what did u think they were going to say?? U wont see any money for at least 6 months. I believe it will be a lot longer than that. Closer to two years. I don't feel like it's my money anymore I can't use it or accsess it!!

**thisisit** · 04-17-11, 09:34 AM

I wouldn't trust any more than u can afford to leave in an acct from this point on. All the processors are f*cked now, and W.U and M.G will be the main way to get your money out with their 1000 max withdraw what a pain in the ass

**bswagos** · 04-17-11, 09:53 AM

I'm so glad I live in a state where sports gambling and poker are legal and have never had to rely on online gaming.

**caseyking2** · 04-17-11, 10:01 AM

Does anyone know if Bodog or 5Dimes is stopped accepting deposits from US customers? Can't get my deposit to go through but just may be my CC

**caseyking2** · 04-17-11, 10:02 AM

Wow it abbreviated CC for me??

**sinmiedo** · 04-17-11, 10:11 AM

after the cool down preriod and reading on the subject a bit more, this is lile Capone all agin.
they could not get them for the illigal gambling but they got them for the bank issue.
as for the other sites...................they will pick up a lot new customers, i see Merge network and Bodog poker bussines booming
i wish they were public companies so i can buy shares.