Full Tilt, Pokerstars, Ultimate Bet seized by gov't?

[DwightShrute]

online poker is dead in the states, face it...

maybe the opposite will happen now. Piss off enough people and they will fight back.

[frizzelli]

If anyone thinks this wont affect sportsbooks you are delusional, FBI went right for the heart of online gambling and right for the big dog, they succeeded and will be going at the smaller dogs now, think about it if this crackdown came with the offshore books that would of tipped the big dogs off to what was about to happen. Online gambling overseas is done and will all be done via government sites.

SALUD

[jgray]

maybe the opposite will happen now. Piss off enough people and they will fight back.

It could go either way here. I have hope that your post will be what happens.

[DwightShrute]

they will never stop it.

Look at all the online sports sites where you could watch sports for free. They shut em down and more popped up the same day.

[Bosseman22]

government needs money and now they found a place to get it, next they'll try sueing the beer companies for causing car crashes. They'll never touch banks or investment companies because thats were all government officials make there money.

[dstover13]

they started this crap in 2006 son

[jgray]

government needs money and now they found a place to get it, next they'll try sueing the beer companies for causing car crashes. They'll never touch banks or investment companies because thats were all government officials make there money.

How does spending countless dollars on an unnecessary prosecution get the government money? Legalize it and tax it if they want money. This is just wasting government money.

[DwightShrute]

they started this crap in 2006 son

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAFE_Port_Act

[Bosseman22]

Prosecutors also filed civil charges against the poker companies and several individual "payment processors," seeking at least $3 billion in penalties.

[jgilmartin]

A lot of speculative nonsense in this thread. No one really know for sure, but I'd wager, let's see...263 points that there will still be an offshore poker website operating on Dec 31, 2011 that accepts US customers for real money games. +100 / +100. Any takers?

[ArunSh]

Any idea if this will affect sportsbook cashouts?

[Scottish]

American gaming/gambling laws are totally queer, thank god i don't live there, its crazy.

[sportsfanatic]

Any idea if this will affect sportsbook cashouts?

damn, thats a lot of sbr medals! you hold the record?

[MUHerd37]

Where are all the people they went after? In foreign countries? The U.S. Would have to try and extradite them. Wouldn't that be affected by the WTO ruling that went against the U.S.?

[OmgUrMom]

91,000 views in the pocketfives thread regarding this topic

[TheICON003]

I'm sure there are a lot of bored poker players at home today.

[eyeball]

Does anyone know if Doyle Brunson site is still accepting US players?

[Pajda]

http://www.businessinsider.com/boy-genius-online-poker-scandal-2011-4

[nyplayer33]

i wanna sell drugs and have it allowed..dam gov't..some people dumb...deal with it move on

[nyplayer33]

well...when people know the inside dealings..it can bite u in ass,,,,,,,,,ok

[sideloaded]

i wanna sell drugs and have it allowed..dam gov't..some people dumb...deal with it move on

you're the dumb one.

[kkkkk]

this country is controlled by from insane people. thats far from democracy.

[MCherry281]

What is with all these government a-holes? They just seized atdhe or whatever that streaming site was and now this? Can't these worthless bums go deal with stuff that matters. No wonder why this country is like a trillion in debt. We have these government boobs being paid a boatload of money to deal with shit like this. Way to take freedom away from people that just want to gamble some money. What a crock of shit. I wish it wasn't so hard to move to Europe or I'd be out of here.

[Hareeba!]

Where are all the people they went after? In foreign countries? The U.S. Would have to try and extradite them. Wouldn't that be affected by the WTO ruling that went against the U.S.?

since when did the US pay any respect to such rulings ?

[pokernut9999]

What is with all these government a-holes? They just seized atdhe or whatever that streaming site was and now this? Can't these worthless bums go deal with stuff that matters. No wonder why this country is like a trillion in debt. We have these government boobs being paid a boatload of money to deal with shit like this. Way to take freedom away from people that just want to gamble some money. What a crock of shit. I wish it wasn't so hard to move to Europe or I'd be out of here.

Do you not realize these sites that are streaming live games are stealing from others

[thisisit]

If the players from full tilt don't get paid you are going to see some of those "Poker Pro's" who own it getting there ass kicked if they ecver step foot in a poker room! The wsop is going to suck this year I bet the attendance is under 1500!

[GunShard]

When that 2006 law was in place.
My money was stuck on a poker site then eventually I got it out from joining new online banks.

Since all banks are frozen on those sites, you will never get your money back if this turns out to be like that Enron scandal.

[whatsgood5]

I hear Barry Greenstien's playing some play money games right now haha at least he's having a sense of humor about this

[OmgUrMom]

When that 2006 law was in place.
My money was stuck on a poker site then eventually I got it out from joining new online banks.

Since all banks are frozen on those sites, you will never get your money back if this turns out to be like that Enron scandal.

how is this similar to Enron?

[underthe total]

I want the gov to legalize online sportsbooks and let the free market mold their business. Look at how much all these off shore books are making off US players. And if they tax it they would still generate billions of dollars that would stay in this country. There is money to be made if we tax this so don't just shut it down.

you are either in college or a democrat, or both, thats the answer to everything tax it

[underthe total]

i didnt log on yesterday and i missed all of this fun/

good read

i have been trying to learn about everyone on here now all i got to do is look back at this i can check dumbass by half of the handles

[Dark Horse]

http://washingtonexaminer.com/local/...lears-congress

they want to shut them down so they can make us-based poker sites so the govt. can make money off them

also,

My take as well. Just more corporate fascism, where they'll use self-serving 'legality' to keep all pieces of the pie for themselves and their cronies. They're going after gambling because it's big business, and they want it.

[Extra Innings]

Difference between Neteller and this incident. It wasn't illegal for banks to process the transactions.

Salud Boys!

[donkdown]

There is what should be and there is what is. Moralizing the issue is irrelevant. The same guys processing these cashouts were involved in wholesale CC fraud. Moving money is the linchpin to crime, and with the amount of money involved, poker sites are a natural place to do it.

I've known guys to move drug money through poker sites, narcotic and steroid sales involving Russia and countries like Moldova where everything is for sale. I've seen guys from Moldova sitting together with a few Russains and you know it's not about poker. I'd bet my life terrorism money has been funneled through a poker site, and certainly it's a haven for cleaning drug money. Those are ground zero countries for proliferation of all things hard to obtain.

That Pokerstars tries to prevent it and doesn't want that is beside the point. It happens, certain factions in the US gov't don't want it, and when the US puts a target on you; you have little choice but to lay back and take it. It sucks, I don't agree with it as they will simply find other channels to move money, but that is beside the point. Stars and Tilt ownership knew this day would come, they rolled the dice they could bank enough to make a settlement and eventually skate. Whether that happens remains to be seen.

[Extra Innings]

There is what should be and there is what is. Moralizing the issue is irrelevant. The same guys processing these cashouts were involved in wholesale CC fraud. Moving money is the linchpin to crime, and with the amount of money involved, poker sites are a natural place to do it.

I've known guys to move drug money through poker sites, narcotic and steroid sales involving Russia and countries like Moldova where everything is for sale. I've seen guys from Moldova sitting together with a few Russains and you know it's not about poker. I'd bet my life terrorism money has been funneled through a poker site, and certainly it's a haven for cleaning drug money. Those are ground zero countries for proliferation of all things hard to obtain.

That Pokerstars tries to prevent it and doesn't want that is beside the point. It happens, certain factions in the US gov't don't want it, and when the US puts a target on you; you have little choice but to lay back and take it. It sucks, I don't agree with it as they will simply find other channels to move money, but that is beside the point. Stars and Tilt ownership knew this day would come, they rolled the dice they could bank enough to make a settlement and eventually skate. Whether that happens remains to be seen.

Solid Post my Friend