How many people have stiffed CW.

[picantel]

Just so you know and make your own decisions yourself. Here is a conversation on another site. Ben is the employee of creditwagering.

Rissa says:
how long have you been in business?
Ben says:
this site just launched last week. Our partners have been in business for years
Rissa says:
why is there 3 different sites?
Ben says:
what
Rissa says:
http://creditwagering.com http://www.ipodprivacy.net http://www.spanishdrills.com
Rissa says:
all the same site
Ben says:
those other sites are just traffic gathering sites
Ben says:
no clue who they are but they have our pages and links on them
Ben says:
there were 10 last week, now 5
Ben says:
i think they use names that are not active for traffic building
Rissa says:
so I can signup at http://www.spanishdrills.com/signup/
Rissa says:
but yet you said you don't know what the site is
Ben says:
goes to our domain, thats where it is pointed
Ben says:
never heard of them
Ben says:
maybe they had the ip we have now before
Ben says:
i will have to check with our techs..thats probably the case, as our isp is the largest in costa rica

Ok you got all that.

Whois Server Version 2.0
Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.
Domain Name: CREDITWAGERING.COM
Registrar: GODADDY.COM INC.
Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com
Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com
Name Server: NS1.EASYDNS.COM
Name Server: NS2.EASYDNS.COM
Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Status: clientRenewProhibited
Status: clientTransferProhibited
Status: clientUpdateProhibited
Updated Date: 06-feb-2008
Creation Date: 21-dec-2007
Expiration Date: 21-dec-2008

Whois Server Version 2.0
Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.
Domain Name: IPODPRIVACY.NET
Registrar: ENOM INC.
Whois Server: whois.enom.com
Referral URL: http://www.enom.com
Name Server: DNS1.NAME-SERVICES.COM
Name Server: DNS2.NAME-SERVICES.COM
Name Server: DNS3.NAME-SERVICES.COM
Name Server: DNS4.NAME-SERVICES.COM
Name Server: DNS5.NAME-SERVICES.COM
Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Status: clientTransferProhibited
Updated Date: 12-dec-2007
Creation Date: 10-jan-2006
Expiration Date: 10-jan-2009

Whois Server Version 2.0
Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.
Domain Name: SPANISHDRILLS.COM
Registrar: ENOM INC.
Whois Server: whois.enom.com
Referral URL: http://www.enom.com
Name Server: DNS1.NAME-SERVICES.COM
Name Server: DNS2.NAME-SERVICES.COM
Name Server: DNS3.NAME-SERVICES.COM
Name Server: DNS4.NAME-SERVICES.COM
Name Server: DNS5.NAME-SERVICES.COM
Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Status: clientTransferProhibited
Updated Date: 26-mar-2007
Creation Date: 24-apr-2005
Expiration Date: 24-apr-2008

https://www.giftcardsgalore.net

Whois Server Version 2.0
Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.
Domain Name: GIFTCARDSGALORE.COM
Registrar: GODADDY.COM INC.
Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com
Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com
Name Server: NS27.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
Name Server: NS28.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Status: clientRenewProhibited
Status: clientTransferProhibited
Status: clientUpdateProhibited
Updated Date: 24-nov-2007
Creation Date: 13-oct-2004
Expiration Date: 13-oct-2008

Ok they said someone made up the giftcards site to copy them yet it was made 4 years prior to cw even being in existence. Btw, all 4 sites have the exact same look.

https://www.spanishdrills.com

The IP address of www.spanishdrills.com is 200.122.132.68
The IP address 200.122.132.68 is assigned to Costa Rica
City SAN JOSE
ISP SERVICIO CO-LOCATION RACSA.

https://www.creditwagering.com

The IP address of www.creditwagering.com is 200.122.132.68
The IP address 200.122.132.68 is assigned to Costa Rica
City SAN JOSE
ISP SERVICIO CO-LOCATION RACSA.

https://www.ipodprivacy.net

The IP address of www.ipodprivacy.net is 200.122.132.68
The IP address 200.122.132.68 is assigned to Costa Rica
City SAN JOSE
ISP SERVICIO CO-LOCATION RACSA.

https://www.giftcardsgalore.net

The IP address of www.giftcardsgalore.net is 200.122.132.68
The IP address 200.122.132.68 is assigned to Costa Rica
City SAN JOSE
ISP SERVICIO CO-LOCATION RACSA.

[jjgold]

Gets more interesting


Heck I might play there now

[framboise]

it would be interesting if SBR could take pictures of their office

[DukeJohn]

https://www.spanishdrills.com

The IP address of www.spanishdrills.com is 200.122.132.68
The IP address 200.122.132.68 is assigned to Costa Rica
City SAN JOSE
ISP SERVICIO CO-LOCATION RACSA.

https://www.creditwagering.com

The IP address of www.creditwagering.com is 200.122.132.68
The IP address 200.122.132.68 is assigned to Costa Rica
City SAN JOSE
ISP SERVICIO CO-LOCATION RACSA.

https://www.ipodprivacy.net

The IP address of www.ipodprivacy.net is 200.122.132.68
The IP address 200.122.132.68 is assigned to Costa Rica
City SAN JOSE
ISP SERVICIO CO-LOCATION RACSA.

https://www.giftcardsgalore.net

The IP address of www.giftcardsgalore.net is 200.122.132.68
The IP address 200.122.132.68 is assigned to Costa Rica
City SAN JOSE
ISP SERVICIO CO-LOCATION RACSA.

Here is a little larger list of sites that point in that direction:

1 BESTBETPOKER.COM
2 GIFTCARDSGALORE.NET
3 IPODPRIVACY.COM
4 IPODPRIVACY.NET
5 IPODPRIVACYSCREEN.COM
6 MANAGEMYDIET.COM
7 MANAGEMYFITNESS.COM
8 MGTGAMING.COM
9 POKERILLINOIS.COM
10 POKERLOVER.ORG
11 PROPOKER.ORG
12 SPANISHDRILLS.COM

Also, 200.122.132.68 is a Costa Rica Ip address. Let's trace it and see how it gets there:

TraceRoute to 200.122.132.68

Hop (ms) (ms) (ms) IP Address Host name

4 140 3 2 129.250.10.189 ge-1-14.r04.hstntx01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net
5 2 1 1 129.250.4.233 xe-1-3-0.r20.hstntx01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net
6 8 11 9 129.250.3.129 as-0.r20.dllstx09.us.bb.gin.ntt.net
7 15 8 6 129.250.2.59 ae-0.r21.dllstx09.us.bb.gin.ntt.net
8 9 8 6 144.232.8.121 sl-st20-dal-14-2.sprintlink.net
9 7 10 9 144.232.20.82 sl-bb27-fw-6-0.sprintlink.net
10 10 10 7 144.232.11.73 sl-bb24-fw-14-0.sprintlink.net
11 38 40 39 144.232.9.36 sl-bb22-orl-2-0.sprintlink.net
12 38 38 38 144.232.2.149 sl-bb21-orl-13-0.sprintlink.net
13 40 38 40 144.232.2.225 sl-gw8-orl-0-0.sprintlink.net
14 83 86 84 144.232.145.86 -
15 83 83 85 200.122.150.1 host1-racsa.co.cr
16 84 83 98 200.122.132.68 -

Now the site creditwagering.com is registered at GoDaddy with their Domains by Proxy. Which basically means the owner wants to remain private. Now there are something like 1 to 3 million sites, I can't remember exactly the number, registered with GoDaddy's Domains by Proxy.

However, the IP address is a Costa Rica site, so you must search the Lacnic site at http://whois.lacnic.net

Which of course gives you this:

inetnum: 200.122.132.0/25
status: reallocated
owner: Servicio Co-Location RACSA
ownerid: CR-SCRA2-LACNIC
responsible: Luis Kopper
address: Calle 1, Avenida 5, 3790,
address: 54-1000 - San Jose -
country: CR
phone: +506 287-0087 []
owner-c: LUK2
tech-c: LUK2
created: 20050623
changed: 20050623
inetnum-up: 200.122.128/19

nic-hdl: LUK2
person: Luis Kopper
e-mail: kopper@RACSA.CO.CR
address: Avenida 5, Calle 1, 3790,
address: 54-1000 - San Jose -
country: CR
phone: +506 287-0446 [446]
created: 20031029
changed: 20080312

------------------

From that you can search the owner I.D. if you wish: CR-SCRA2-LACNIC

owner: Servicio Co-Location RACSA
ownerid: CR-SCRA2-LACNIC
responsible: Luis Kopper
address: Calle 1, Avenida 5, 3790,
address: 54-1000 - San Jose -
country: CR
phone: +506 287-0087 []
owner-c: LUK2
created: 20050602
changed: 20050602

nic-hdl: LUK2
person: Luis Kopper
e-mail: kopper@RACSA.CO.CR
address: Avenida 5, Calle 1, 3790,
address: 54-1000 - San Jose -
country: CR
phone: +506 287-0446 [446]
created: 20031029
changed: 20080312

inetnum: 196.40.15.0/25
inetnum: 196.40.46.0/25
inetnum: 196.40.46.128/25
inetnum: 196.40.71.0/25
inetnum: 196.40.71.128/25
inetnum: 196.40.84.0/25
inetnum: 196.40.84.128/25
inetnum: 200.122.132.0/25
inetnum: 200.122.132.128/25
inetnum: 200.122.160.0/25
inetnum: 200.122.160.128/25

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However, you will notice that 200.122.132.68 is not one of the IPs listed. Maybe someone with more tech savvy will be able to figure it out. Maybe someone at RACSA.CO.CR knows what is happening, maybe even Luis Kopper. Who knows?

[zerocage]

Good luck to all!!

[The Kimura]

You will get it,dont worry. They have been nothing but professional to me.

[myr10]

Maybe the reason for all the different domains is to get more customers. if someone is searching for giftcards or ipod they might see the link to ipodprivacy.net or giftcardsgalore.net and click it. Then they see a gambaling site offering $1,000 to play with. This might lure in someone who knows nothing about gambaling, who will probably end up losing the $1000 and end up paying.

[picantel]

Breaking News:

I just got off the phone with the OSGA. Here is what I am told.

1)They have a scam alert on cw right now and are advising people not to even sign up.
2)The guy said he has dealt with over 1000 sportsbooks and this is the only one who asks for the last 4 digits of your SS, asks for a personal question like mothers maiden name, and asks for birthdate. He stated with this information(and since credit is my specialty I know this for a fact) they can steal your credit and credit card numbers and everything else.
3)Any check you receive from them and cash will allow them to have your bank account information.
4)He said there are a bunch of kids i.e. guys in the 20s who are known for running a credit theft scam out of costa rica and this is their MO.
5)Godaddy was contacted and disavowed being responsible for anything cw does which he found odd as any sponsored legitimate site would be defended.
6)He said when they put out scam alerts the sportsbooks affected(if not a scam) always contact them but cw has remained silent which is found highly against the norm.
7)He said sportsbooks when registering take out a minimum of 3 years until the book expires. CW took out a 1 year lease so to speak. He said that is a first in over 1k sportsbooks.

I am waiting for an email from him.

[picantel]

Here is the email.

***** OSGA Bad Bet Alert*****

Avoid:
Credit Wagering- creditwagering.com

Reason for today's alert:
They appear to be a fly-by-night scam operation.

Blacklist Notes:
We had received an inquiry on a brand new website where they give you $1000
in credit to play with. So, we checked out creditwagering.com. You only have
to send them money if you lose $400 or more. They will only send you money
if you win in excess of the same amount. The max wager is $100. They will
give you a 100% bonus if you post up funds.

Specific Notes:
This website was created in December 2007 and their registration expires in
December 2008. The creditwagering.com website has no phone numbers to
contact and though they claim they are in Costa Rica, there is no valid
information filed within their Internet registration.

The website registration or sign-up page asks for the last four numbers of
your Social Security number, your birthdate and a common security question,
in addition to the usual name and address info. You can enter anything into
these fields and it will get you started. We entered completely bogus
information and were given an account. Why would you have to enter the last
four of your SS# if it is not going to be verified? It is because this is an
obvious scam operation. This is a classic attempt at identity theft. They
are dangling the credit carrot to phish player information.....there is no
other explanation for this.

In today's offshore gambling climate, the business model of Credit Wagering
is simply not viable. Why would a loser ever pay.......

Recommendation:
AVOID CREDIT WAGERING

[picantel]

5dimes uses a 3rd party processor and they only ask for this information if you are using a check. CW is the only site that asks for this information upfront. Look, it is your choice to play or not. A few people have done some research and posted the results. The most telling fact for me is cw denying they have anything to do with the other websites that were created years before cw even came into existence. If that doesn't raise a red flag to you then don't come moaning later when you get robbed blind.

[Geoff101]

what if you cashed thier check at a check cashing joint...then they wouldn't have your bank info....

[picantel]

what if you cashed thier check at a check cashing joint...then they wouldn't have your bank info....

That is what I would do personally if you found a check cashing place willing to do it. However, the OSGA is under the impression that the main scam has to do with getting the other information for credit theft. I have done credit stuff for over 7 years. You would be amazed at how easily your information can be changed with the credit bureaus. I have been the victim of dozens of id thefts and watch my credit on a daily basis.

[DukeJohn]

Breaking News:

I just got off the phone with the OSGA. Here is what I am told.

1)They have a scam alert on cw right now and are advising people not to even sign up.
2)The guy said he has dealt with over 1000 sportsbooks and this is the only one who asks for the last 4 digits of your SS, asks for a personal question like mothers maiden name, and asks for birthdate. He stated with this information(and since credit is my specialty I know this for a fact) they can steal your credit and credit card numbers and everything else.
3)Any check you receive from them and cash will allow them to have your bank account information.
4)He said there are a bunch of kids i.e. guys in the 20s who are known for running a credit theft scam out of costa rica and this is their MO.
5)Godaddy was contacted and disavowed being responsible for anything cw does which he found odd as any sponsored legitimate site would be defended.
6)He said when they put out scam alerts the sportsbooks affected(if not a scam) always contact them but cw has remained silent which is found highly against the norm.
7)He said sportsbooks when registering take out a minimum of 3 years until the book expires. CW took out a 1 year lease so to speak. He said that is a first in over 1k sportsbooks.

I am waiting for an email from him.

I am curious as to why OSGA didn't get the contact information from GoDaddy. Once they disavowed as stated above, they are no longer obligated to keep that info private as stated in their terms of service. The private service is an extra fee service they offer, but have been know to give out person information with just a phone call.

Now, one thing I would like to add. A friend of mine works in the repo business, reposing cars. With just an address he can get your driver license number, with that he can get your SS #. There are a few online pay services that offer these services. Just search around the web and you will find them. Of course they do a criminal background check of all members, but this is still somewhat scary. Anyway, all this about stealing your identity is so easy now-a-days it makes you really think about those new places that will protect your identity. Anyway, just remember, anyone who is a member of any of the sites that give out SS# can easily steal your identity.

In the long run, if CW is paying out money to the winners, it seems a rather expensive way to steal an identity, but who knows. Too early to tell...

[picantel]

I used a website that is used to track down email IPs to their original source(used to track 411 scammers). It starts in costa rica but when it tries to go closer to the source the IPs state either blocked, firewalled, or looped.

[DukeJohn]

I used a website that is used to track down email IPs to their original source(used to track 411 scammers). It starts in costa rica but when it tries to go closer to the source the IPs state either blocked, firewalled, or looped.

I don't know if this helps, but I believe their email IP is 200.122.132.69 I believe I saw this registered somewhere a few days ago, so I am not 100% sure if I am remembering correctly...

[picantel]

I don't know if this helps, but I believe their email IP is 200.122.132.69 I believe I saw this registered somewhere a few days ago, so I am not 100% sure if I am remembering correctly...

Yep that is the originaltion. It breaks down from there.
127.0.0.1
5.32.62.93
5.69.223.167

[framboise]

i will not able to request a withdrawal for this week. I came a little late. i will have to wait next sunday.

[WestsidePete]

Here's a live chat I just had with them....
Please wait. A representative will be with you shortly.
Ben says:
Hello pete account xxxxxx. My name is Ben how can I help you?
pete account xxxxxx says:
Hi Ben..I've using your site for a week now and would like to know if you will be offering more sporting bet options in the future??
Ben says:
of course
pete account xxxxxx says:
I have a number of friends interested in joining but they are concerned you guys won't be around longterm
Ben says:
tell them to waut then
Ben says:
we are here for the laung haul
Ben says:
wait
pete account xxxxxx says:
I'm going to give your site a chance to work to me but others question it...
Ben says:
I understand
Ben says:
we are new
Ben says:
we have a concept never tried before
Ben says:
time will make them all believe
Ben says:
by football season, they will all wish they had joined before
Ben says:
but we are in no hurry
pete account xxxxxx says:
are you prepared to handle the volume of business for deposits and withdrawals
Ben says:
we are twice the size already than we had hoped for
Ben says:
of course
Ben says:
will offer credit cards for funding maybe as early as next week
Ben says:
will have our own debit cards for payouts within 3 weeks
pete account xxxxxx says:
I don't believe you are a scam and over time people will see this
Ben says:
thatnk you for giving us a try, you will not be disappointed
Ben says:
thank you

[2Pac]

I'm going to cash my check at CheckSmart.

I'll probably pay a $50 fee, but I don't care.

So OSGA thinks this is run by a bunch of kids, stealing identities, opening up new credit accounts?

If you think about it, that could work.

The amount that one can win is limited to $1000 a week, but that takes a lot of luck/skill. This keeps their payouts rather small...maybe $50,000 a week?

If they are able to steal your identity, they could have credit cards opened in your name for $10,000 limits, probably.


Hmmmm....

They have the last 4 of my SSN
Phone #
my favorite sport (i didn't pick place of birth or mother's maiden for security question)
My student ID

[horseplayer69]

I will suck any mans cock who gets paid from this outfit



You suck my cock if anyone pays these guys

[WestsidePete]

Everyone should have some kind of fraud alert by now...we give out all kinds of info these days..online banking...online bill pay...online buying of stocks..it's all there for the taking....

[framboise]

Did you try to request a w/d or did you ask live chat?

I asked live chat if I could on Monday night after I sent my ID, he said yes, I requested it through the site and it's been listed as "pending" since then.. I'm hoping by todays end it's sent out but I have my doubts seeing as how it's getting later. It would suck to wait another week.

Two days ago, i tried to withdraw some funds from my creditwagering account via their cashier page.
I asked them (via live chat) to cancel my withdrawal because i didn't have my ID scanned. This morning at 9:30, i got my ID scanned, so i decided to ask for a payment. My withdrawal request was declined. I got this error message "You have no funds to withdraw at the present moment." I said to myself, what the ****?! how come i have no funds to withdraw, i have over $600. Ben told me that i could only make a withdrawal during a specific period of time, between Sunday midnight and Wednesday morning (9:00 a.m). So, i was 30 mins late. I will have to wait until this Sunday to ask for another withdrawal.

[WestsidePete]

Two days ago, i tried to withdraw some funds from my creditwagering account via their cashier page.
I asked them (via live chat) to cancel my withdrawal because i didn't have my ID scanned. This morning at 9:30, i got my ID scanned, so i decided to ask for a payment. My withdrawal request was declined. I got this error message "You have no funds to withdraw at the present moment." I said to myself, what the ****?! how come i have no funds to withdraw, i have over $600. Ben told me that i could only make a withdrawal during a specific period of time, between Sunday midnight and Wednesday morning (9:00 a.m). So, i was 30 mins late. I will have to wait until this Sunday to ask for another withdrawal.

They do this because they are short staffed..gives them between today and Sunday to work on all the prior requests and to try and settle monies owed...

[robmpink]

I will suck any mans cock who gets paid from this outfit



You suck my cock if anyone pays these guys

1-9 he already lost the $1,000 and won't pay.

[framboise]

they just said they haven't received my ID.
weird.

[horseplayer69]

Yes a few times..Like all of you ! you guys are going to sit here and drink diet coke and tell me if you lost a dime to this outfit you would send them 10 $100 bills?


if so your a big idiot then most people

[diogee]

Horseplayer...say you would win a dime at a book. Would you expect them to pay you or would you say good game you can keep the money?

[framboise]

they received my info.

[framboise]

anyone have an idea why they don't have a phone number?

[pokernut9999]

anyone have an idea why they don't have a phone number?

Why should they ? Some of the largest poker sites have no phone numbers.


If they did you kids would be bombarding them with stupid ass questions.

[framboise]

i would understand if they would be as big as pokerstars or partypoker but they are not. it looks like if they want to hide something. every good sportsbooks has a phone number. why not them?

[framboise]

even the bad gambling sites has a phone number.

[framboise]

when you're in business, you must have a phone number.
you don't tell your clients "sorry, you can't call me but you can always send me an e-mail". it doesn't make you look serious, you know.

[robmpink]

even the bad gambling sites has a phone number.

Why would you then join a book that is worse than the bad gambling sites? It is like a big bitch fest in here with the exception of some useful posts/updates.

[framboise]

who said they worst than the -F rated sites?

To me, when you run a business, it is necessary to have a phone number. it makes you look credible.

if you have a company, i'm sure you have a phone number.