These bookmakers that think all the points scored in OT count towards the total

Extra Innings · 03-06-11, 07:34 PM

Originally posted by Emily_Haines

can kiss my fukking ass.

Another great bet that goes under by a mile gets fuked by these stupid OT's. So much for betting early and getting a great number.

Lafayette/American (U 135.5) for Game. -108 378.00 350.00

How come I lose 15-20 under bets this way and never win more than 2-3 of my wrong side overs? Let me have five extra minutes of playing time and I'll take the over every time. This shit is not like all the other sports that don't have tons of points scored. Why the fuk is this shit not like hockey and soccer which are all graded regulation time only.

Emily:...Hockey totals count OT and shootouts. You can place regulation only bets.

nosniboR11 · 03-06-11, 07:35 PM

lol cry me a river

Powderguy · 03-06-11, 07:35 PM

ouch, brutal

pavyracer · 03-06-11, 07:36 PM

This is a bad rule but it is what it is. Why can't they do it like soccer where only regulation time counts? If soccer can do it then basketball and football can do it too.

Emily_Haines · 03-06-11, 07:36 PM

Originally posted by Extra Innings

Emily:...Hockey totals count OT and shootouts. You can place regulation only bets.

We don't even have the option which just have to take it and it's bull shit that great handicapping is ruined by bullshit rules.

FourLengthsClear · 03-06-11, 07:36 PM

Totals are inflated to take account of the possibility of OT.

If you are primarily an under bettor you have to take the rough with the smooth. Personally I would prefer if bets were regulation time only but they are not and that is just the way it is.

Emily_Haines · 03-06-11, 07:37 PM

Originally posted by nosniboR11

lol cry me a river

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Extra Innings · 03-06-11, 07:38 PM

Originally posted by pavyracer

This is a bad rule but it is what it is. Why can't they do it like soccer where only regulation time counts? If soccer can do it then basketball and football can do it too.

It would be difficult...Could you imagine what a draw on a 210 total would be in terms of payout

Emily_Haines · 03-06-11, 07:39 PM

Originally posted by FourLengthsClear

Totals are inflated to take account of the possibility of OT.

If you are primarily an under bettor you have to take the rough with the smooth. Personally I would prefer of bet were regulation time only but they are not and that is just the way it is.

No they fuking don't. They are put up and money moves the number. OT possibly is a non factor on the total.

Ace_of_Spades · 03-06-11, 07:40 PM

Don't gamble if you can't handle the losses.

pavyracer · 03-06-11, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by Extra Innings

It would be difficult...Could you imagine what a draw on a 210 total would be in terms of payout

They can offer -120 lines for totals excluding OT.

Emily_Haines · 03-06-11, 07:42 PM

Originally posted by Ace_of_Spades

Don't gamble if you can't handle the losses.

Yeah, I could handle it if this shit even out and I won a few over bets this way but I don't. If 5 to 1 against me and I don't like it and it's a good thing this season is almost over.

RonPaul2008 · 03-06-11, 07:42 PM

Originally posted by Emily_Haines

No they fuking don't. They are put up and money moves the number. OT possibly is a non factor on the total.

Of course it is a factor, just multiply the odds of overtime(s) x the amount of points expected in overtime(s) and that is the # of points in the total line that wouldn't be there if the rule was different.

Emily_Haines · 03-06-11, 07:44 PM

Originally posted by pavyracer

They can offer -120 lines for totals excluding OT.

They should offer a regulation time only option and adjust the total a half point.

Extra Innings · 03-06-11, 07:44 PM

Originally posted by pavyracer

They can offer -120 lines for totals excluding OT.

And people would bet them

FourLengthsClear · 03-06-11, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by Emily_Haines

No they fuking don't. They are put up and money moves the number. OT possibly is a non factor on the total.

............ and you wonder why you are losing?

Stallion · 03-06-11, 07:46 PM

If your so upset maybe you should stop betting for a while.

pavyracer · 03-06-11, 07:47 PM

Originally posted by Extra Innings

And people would bet them

It could be a double sword. Imagine if you bet the over and bet the -120 line on the total excluding OT. Now not only you got juiced but you lost a bet that could have won if it was bet on the regular -110 line.

Emily_Haines · 03-06-11, 07:51 PM

Originally posted by FourLengthsClear

............ and you wonder why you are losing?

Yes, you are right.

I'm going to start betting all the games within a point or two of pickem over because the OT possibility is greater. Who would have ever thought winning could be this easy and this awesome system discover by a SBR poster. Amazing!!!

Nicky Santoro · 03-06-11, 07:52 PM

i've alwys wondered why they don't have reg time NBA. it'd be a big hit cause no one likes to lose on acct of OT. the under bets would be popular, not the over bets.

but i still say that losing your under on acct of 24 pts in the last 1 min 12 hurts even more.. you are laughing late thinking no way they score 24 in the last 1+ minute, and then threes, foul, threes, foul, lay up, foul and just like that, you lose. i hate losing this way even more than OT. and the worse is when they're down 10 with 1.1 secs to go, and the ahole fouls, and you got +11.5 and you lose by 12. or how about when a guy takes a meaningless 3 to put it over and all he had to do was dribble it out and game is over.

RealSlimShady · 03-06-11, 07:53 PM

Just bet unders for the 1st half!

Emily_Haines · 03-06-11, 08:00 PM

Originally posted by RealSlimShady

Just bet unders for the 1st half!

You can not get good numbers on first half only bets because these lines are not put up until late. Plus the limits are also much smaller. I have also lost a lot of first half unders this year that went over in first half and then under for the game.

FourLengthsClear · 03-06-11, 08:05 PM

Originally posted by Emily_Haines

Yes, you are right.

I'm going to start betting all the games within a point or two of pickem over because the OT possibility is greater. Who would have ever thought winning could be this easy and this awesome system discover by a SBR poster. Amazing!!!

So let me get this straight. You think that the books should allow regulation time betting and that the quoted totals would not be affected by this?

You think this despite that fact that this change would make blindly betting unders profitable at (even at -110) for each of the last 3 NBA seasons?

During those three seasons 2.6% of all matchups have been under (or a push) in regulation time but gone over after OT. I don't have the equivalent numbers for CBB but have no reason to believe they would not be similar.

Try thinking before posting, 'Emily'

blackbox · 03-06-11, 08:08 PM

My 2 cents here - which is good for nothing. The overtime does reflect in how a opening number is determined. That is by the average score of the teams involved in a game, in addition to points allowed. In addition to all other current factors-ie injures. gl all

ehp6737 · 03-06-11, 08:30 PM

Originally posted by Emily_Haines

How come I lose 15-20 under bets this way and never win more than 2-3 of my wrong side overs? Let me have five extra minutes of playing time and I'll take the over every time. This shit is not like all the other sports that don't have tons of points scored. Why the fuk is this shit not like hockey and soccer which are all graded regulation time only.

This is the same way for me as well. It seems the OT factor always breaks 80% on the opposite side of me. It totally sucks because you can have a game totally pegged on the under, some d-bag makes a 3 to tie the game, and then bam......25 points are added to the total in OT and all of a sudden you're a f*d loser who cant handicap.

Emily_Haines · 03-06-11, 08:33 PM

Originally posted by ehp6737

This is the same way for me as well. It seems the OT factor always breaks 80% on the opposite side of me. It totally because you can have a game totally pegged on the under, some d-bag makes a 3 to tie the game, and then bam......25 points are added to the total in OT and all of a sudden you're a f*d loser who cant handicap.

Thank for understanding my pain

ehp6737 · 03-06-11, 08:38 PM

Originally posted by Emily_Haines

Thank for understanding my pain

Thks my man, that was very kind. Keep trucking along. Not sure why people dont understand how frustrating this shit is. Tommorrow's another day

FourLengthsClear · 03-06-11, 08:43 PM

Originally posted by ehp6737

Thks my man, that was very kind. Keep trucking along. Not sure why people dont understand how frustrating this shit is. Tommorrow's another day

We all understand the pain. If 'Emily' was as vociferous when a winning under he bet on came in a half point (or one point) below then it would be all the more so. Those bets would be losers if there were the regulation time totals that he "wants".

Kindred · 03-06-11, 08:52 PM

sharpcat · 03-06-11, 08:53 PM

Originally posted by Emily_Haines

No they fuking don't. They are put up and money moves the number. OT possibly is a non factor on the total.

Would you be interested in booking my bets for regulation time only using the same O/U total listed including overtime?

This should not be an issue for you since the possibility of overtime is not factored in to the total. Just put me down for the max on the Under 5 minutes before tip off of every game.

Extra Innings · 03-06-11, 09:01 PM

It sucks but their is a guy who bet the over who is reporting the exact opposite. I just won my 76er's bet in overtime @ -7.5. What idiot bet -7.5? It feels great but I would be bitching and moaning if I took the warriors instead...it should all equal out in the end.