Card Counting.....Who does it?

[THE HITMAN]

Ahhhhhh, nice flashback.................the good ol days of high school & college one deck counting with no one in your "circle" having a clue. Sweeter than Walter Peyton and Sugar Ray Robinson combined !.

[thezbar]

When a table is opened the decks are spread across the table to insure all the 52 cards are put in play. Surveilance films this. The back of each card is also checked for any marks that could be used to identify them. After the table is closed it is the floor supervisor responsibility to insure all the cards are still there. If not all hell breaks loose and the gaming commission could get involved. People can lose the jobs. Casino's don't pull aces from the game.
As for slug tracking if a dealer had that skill why would he or she plant things in favor of the house. Dealer's want the players to win as most of their income is from tips. Go for you're own dealers love ACES!

[purecarnagge]

I remember taking brandon to the casino to take his literally last 20.00 he wanted to buy a case I told him we should get the money to stop him from being evicted.


Made 1567.00 to get him paid current on rent. Eviction stopped. Was a good night. I can tell you this. I've never played blackjack that much. But 1-5 dollar bets for 18 hours is like watching a bad movie over and over again.


My question

Will casino's track counters who count and do progessive mechanics schemes that bet under 500.00 max? Or are they mainly only worried about the larger fish to fry. I'm not a big BJ player, just do well at poker alot.

But I play the Social Security Grandma's that just want someone nice to talk to them. Its easy money and they don't really care.

[TheLock]

Sucker game. Even worse than poker.

Poker is not a sucker game unless you're a sucker.

[curious]

I remember taking brandon to the casino to take his literally last 20.00 he wanted to buy a case I told him we should get the money to stop him from being evicted.


Made 1567.00 to get him paid current on rent. Eviction stopped. Was a good night. I can tell you this. I've never played blackjack that much. But 1-5 dollar bets for 18 hours is like watching a bad movie over and over again.


My question

Will casino's track counters who count and do progessive mechanics schemes that bet under 500.00 max? Or are they mainly only worried about the larger fish to fry. I'm not a big BJ player, just do well at poker alot.

But I play the Social Security Grandma's that just want someone nice to talk to them. Its easy money and they don't really care.

I played for 10 years, 2 years fulltime, I never got bothered by a casino, I am pretty sure a lot of them know I count. I use a positive progression to escape the boredom. They still know you are counting. I would guess for a casino to care about counters they would have to be either a team that takes the casino for big bucks, or a player who is just plain obnoxious. I always had my table laughing, people always wanted a seat at my table. Maybe the casinos think I am good for business and that is why they never bothered me.

[curious]

When a table is opened the decks are spread across the table to insure all the 52 cards are put in play. Surveilance films this. The back of each card is also checked for any marks that could be used to identify them. After the table is closed it is the floor supervisor responsibility to insure all the cards are still there. If not all hell breaks loose and the gaming commission could get involved. People can lose the jobs. Casino's don't pull aces from the game.
As for slug tracking if a dealer had that skill why would he or she plant things in favor of the house. Dealer's want the players to win as most of their income is from tips. Go for you're own dealers love ACES!

Yes, I know they spread the cards. Doesn't mean a card mechanic cannot remove cards surreptitiously during play.

A dealer would cheat you so that he can let his buddy win and not affect his table's take %.

[curious]

Would these dealers get a % of house winnings??

Depends. There are two kinds of card mechanics. House mechanics who are brought in to turn a hot table cold. And dealers who are cheating you so they can let their buddy win without affecting their table's take %.

[purecarnagge]

I know a chick who wanted to be a dealer at the local casino when it was first opening. She memorized all that tables and everything they taught her everything...Craps/bj. Then they told her they couldn't employ her cuz she has an other than honorable discharge from the navy.

[thezbar]

Yes, I know they spread the cards. Doesn't mean a card mechanic cannot remove cards surreptitiously during play.

A dealer would cheat you so that he can let his buddy win and not affect his table's take %.

A Dealer who cheats won't stay a dealer for long. Game security is part of the reason dealer rotate from table to table. I'm not saying it couldn't happen but a dealer would have to be very desparate to try something like this.

[thezbar]

I played for 10 years, 2 years fulltime, I never got bothered by a casino, I am pretty sure a lot of them know I count. I use a positive progression to escape the boredom. They still know you are counting. I would guess for a casino to care about counters they would have to be either a team that takes the casino for big bucks, or a player who is just plain obnoxious. I always had my table laughing, people always wanted a seat at my table. Maybe the casinos think I am good for business and that is why they never bothered me.

According to my sources, The only time they will pull a player off a table is if A. The bet size is so obvoiusly inbalanced that you are counting cards and you're winning consistantly. B. You're labeled undesirable and they will use it as a excuse to ban you from the casino. For the most part counters won't be bothered.
The casino doesn't mind if you win, they mind if you win and then never return!

[donjuan]

Maybe the casinos think I am good for business and that is why they never bothered me.

I'm sure this was why.

[thezbar]

I was a regular in a san diego casino at one time. This dealer didn't care for me and told the pit boss I was counting cards. I wasn't. I was just lucky. I didn't even know how to count at that time.
So for the next month whenever I first sat at a table upon arrival, within 10 minutes the phone would ring at the pit stand and the supervisor would look at me and jot down something. I'm sure there was a picture of me upstairs.
I asked one of the duel rates later on about this. She told me yes indeed I was labeled and watched but my bet size wasn't enough for them to worry about. The casino in question starts with the letter v.

[purecarnagge]

Just play poker, its easier to win. Find the social security grandma's. Easy game, Easy Cash.


Shit I bet a real gamer like JJ could get in the ****ing will in no time.

[curious]

Just play poker, its easier to win. Find the social security grandma's. Easy game, Easy Cash.


Shit I bet a real gamer like JJ could get in the ****ing will in no time.

I always win at poker the first few hands, because I bluff every hand. LOL Then once players have played against me for a while bluffing every hand doens't work anymore. LOL

[acw]

Is "Black action" still often used in the States?

I was an active counter before I went into sports betting. I still play sometimes, but I would not suggest to anyone to do it as a full time job, if you are not loaded already.

[curious]

Is "Black action" still often used in the States?

I was an active counter before I went into sports betting. I still play sometimes, but I would not suggest to anyone to do it as a full time job, if you are not loaded already.

Hellfire sonny jim, I've been in casinos where they called out "green action". Yes, pretty much every casino I have been to calls "Black Action". Except a few which had no tables lower than $50 minimums. Steve Wynn's casino in AC is that way. Forget the name of the place. Nice casino. Very high minimums on all tables. Crowded most of the time, but no riff raff. they don't call black action because they would be calling that every bet. I think they do call "purple action".

My girlfriend got everyone laughing by calling "DDD action" when she went with me the first time. EVERY pit boss in that area suddenly became very interested in our blackjack table.

[acw]

Steve Wynn's casino in AC is that way. Forget the name of the place.

In Macau I always need to threat him that I will go to another casino, if he does not offer me a free drink. He does have the best rules now (since he dropped the hitting on Soft 17 for the dealer): Double down on any two cards, Lose one bet maximum to a dealers BJ, Early Surrender (not against an ace) and Resplit Aces. I think the house advantage is less than 0.05%. He does use CSM, but only 4 decks inside and they wait till a full deck has come out before they put them back into the machine, so one can play a bit of a winning game.

For those that like to play real big, should simply go to France (especially Monaco). Still old fashioned shoes, 75% penetration and max bets of up till 20k Euros can be asked for.

[purecarnagge]

I need to get someone the rules at my local casino to figure out if counting is worthwhile. Normally I just try to remember cards not count etc. so I remember 10's/faces/aces/ etc etc.

[betplom]

Hellfire sonny jim, I've been in casinos where they called out "green action". Yes, pretty much every casino I have been to calls "Black Action". Except a few which had no tables lower than $50 minimums. Steve Wynn's casino in AC is that way. Forget the name of the place. Nice casino. Very high minimums on all tables. Crowded most of the time, but no riff raff. they don't call black action because they would be calling that every bet. I think they do call "purple action".

My girlfriend got everyone laughing by calling "DDD action" when she went with me the first time. EVERY pit boss in that area suddenly became very interested in our blackjack table.

Curious, you crazy lying fυck, where are you?

[reno cool]

some good posts here by curious.

I haven't played serious blackjack in a few years, and his version of things rings true to what I remember.

I wonder if many pros still play. All I see is worse and worse games. Seems to me that simple card counting is a waste by now. But maybe there are more advanced methods. Haven't heard anything new or interesting on the subject recently.

I'm curious about the continues shuffle sd game thats supposed to be best. Still exist? how do you count it?

[JerseyShop101]

I played for 10 years, 2 years fulltime, I never got bothered by a casino, I am pretty sure a lot of them know I count. I use a positive progression to escape the boredom. They still know you are counting. I would guess for a casino to care about counters they would have to be either a team that takes the casino for big bucks, or a player who is just plain obnoxious. I always had my table laughing, people always wanted a seat at my table. Maybe the casinos think I am good for business and that is why they never bothered me.

Curious,

How did you do your "sessions"? Did you plan to play for x amount of hours, or until you won or lost x amount of money?
How did you discipline yourself for money-management. I know I would have a hard time leaving a session being down.

Thanks.

[bettilimbroke999]

The Bellagio game takes big bets. Its double-deck game has a house edge of 0.16%. Its 6-deck game is about 0.3%.

Every MGM property, and almost every Harrah's property will take $500 bets on their 6-deck games. These are worth over $300/hour.

Every casino I have played at ANYWHERE will take $500, even in the middle of no where. If I can get 75% penetration with average rules (0.42%) on a 6-deck, you're making over $200/hour.

A more difficult question is: what casinos do NOT have a game worth that? There are a few in Vegas (O'Sheas and its 6-deck 6:5 BJ game).

And then there is the whole world of slug tracking and ace tracking...

Why would the casino even bother with a house edge of .16%, what does that translate to like 16 cents profit per 100 dollars bet? I mean how would they even pay the bills/employees/drinks/comps etc. with a profit of a $1.60 per 1000 dollars bet?

[Sam Odom]

Counting down a Baccarat shoe is more profitable and has NO heat

[MonkeyF0cker]

Counting down a Baccarat shoe is more profitable and has NO heat

Absolutely false.

[reno cool]

Why would the casino even bother with a house edge of .16%, what does that translate to like 16 cents profit per 100 dollars bet? I mean how would they even pay the bills/employees/drinks/comps etc. with a profit of a $1.60 per 1000 dollars bet?

since most people don't play close to basic strategy their actual hold is much higher.