Wager Tallies?

imgv94 · 03-08-06, 02:32 AM

Cap it at 10.

Illusion · 03-08-06, 02:39 AM

Originally posted by onlòóker

I remember that sheit. He would jump from last place into the top 10 and back to last in the matter of days.

Hell, even dan and yourself tried explaining it to the guy, but he just didn't get it. I highly doubt we have that problem this year.

Winston Smith · 03-08-06, 02:42 AM

I don't think Ganchrow's point was a contest. I think his point was to have a way of auditing picks, so that results speak louder than pulpiteering.

Illusion · 03-08-06, 02:46 AM

Originally posted by Winston Smith

I don't think Ganchrow's point was a contest. I think his point was to have a way of auditing picks, so that results speak louder than pulpiteering.

I never said it was a contest bud. Just to keep records is all.

onlooker · 03-08-06, 02:47 AM

Originally posted by Winston Smith

I don't think Ganchrow's point was a contest. I think his point was to have a way of auditing picks, so that results speak louder than pulpiteering.

The daily Best bets thread will be tracked for the season. I think that is what Illusion is getting at.

Winston Smith · 03-08-06, 02:47 AM

that it would not be a good idea because of people likely to post inaccurate
unit amounts to catch up with whoever is in front

Somebody did.

Illusion · 03-08-06, 02:50 AM

At my old site it wasn't a contest, but people took it very seriously and treated it like it was a contest even though it wasn't. I think that's what that post was implying.

Winston Smith · 03-08-06, 02:51 AM

We'll see, I guess.

imgv94 · 03-08-06, 02:55 AM

Thats exactly what I was implying. Winston where is your common
sense?

Ganchrow · 03-08-06, 03:03 AM

Great ideas from all. I would add the following:

Whatever the level at which is decision is made to cap units (and obviously it doesn't matter if that level's chosen to be 1 or 3 or 10 or 7.48 trillion), the cap should be in terms of the "to win" amount as opposed to the "to risk" amount so as to better control the element of blind luck. (Imagine what would happen if 1,000 different people wagered the max "to risk" on 1,000 different +99,999 dogs.)
The ability to edit pick forum posts should be limited to moderators.
Ideally, there would be wagerline-type software in place to determine the level at which a pick is made. However, assuming that this is not the case, players should be limited to lines available at only those books listed on SBRLines. This way, by using the SBRLines line history feature, the price at which is made can be verified.
If a player records a wager at an incorrect price, the Pinnacle price available at the time of the piost should be used. If a player routinely posts inaccurate prices, a stiff unit penalty should be exacted.
The only way a player can retract a pick is by betting it in the opposite direction and eating the vig.
When unit tallies are presented (be it daily, weekly, monthly or whatever,) they should include units wagered, units won, and unit win % (units won/units wagered). It's unit win % (and not units won) that should be considered the operative statistic. Pushes can be ignored.
Win/loss records should only be posted in conjunction with both total units won and total units wagered. Unless players only betting at a single price, win/loss records are by themselves meaningless.

Ganchrow · 03-08-06, 03:07 AM

Originally posted by ganchrow

It's unit win % (and not units won) that should be considered the operative statistic.

Although on second thought, if there were no minimum bet this would be ripe for abuse...

pags11 · 03-08-06, 03:58 AM

ganchrow,

I'm up for those rules...

mad · 03-08-06, 04:34 AM

Yep, I'm in starting..........................Now!

Hey Gachrow what does your signature say. It's been a very Looooooooooooooong time since i was at school. My latin has suffered just a tad.

imgv94 · 03-08-06, 04:38 AM

Don't let the bastards grind you down

mad · 03-08-06, 04:41 AM

AHHHH, Good man imgv.

JayEgdarWho · 03-08-06, 10:28 AM

As you know, I Am Not a Tout, and I spend time in the Hoops section here for lots of reasons -- the very LEAST of which is to pick and post winners prior to post time, or to worry about how many pre-post time winners anybody else actually bet. Dark Horse is absolutely right -- we have something over there that is collegial and fun and valuable. We like it, and we are reluctant to risk it sinking to the LCD. I hope you can understand that any talk about something that might shift the focus of that board makes some of us a little nervous.

I'm sure that the following suggestion is ignorant of several considerations, probably including what the mods and folks who bear the costs of this board would like to accomplish or would like to see, but:

anybody who would like to participate in a contest can open a new name at Wagerline, announce the name here, and talk about it in a thread (I'd suggest separate thread) to their hearts' content. And those interested in such a thing, for whatever reason (to try to profit, to try to deflate perceived egos -- whatever) can monitor it to their hearts' content. The Wagerline software and tracking can't be beaten. W/L percentage is tracked, units are tracked, results are tracked by sport and altogether, for last 7 days 30 days, overall, etc, max and min bet size is enforced -- all of it is there.

It's a hell of a lot of work to track that stuff manually -- if Illusion or somebody is actually game to do it, they are a better man than I.
Personally, I'd rather have ILL spend his time handicapping and shooting the sh*t with us.

bigboydan · 03-08-06, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by Illusion

When I did this last year 10 was the max play. I had this poster who would have three plays like this: New York -160 (80 units)
Houston -130 (27 units)
LA -200 (35 units)

I tried explaining that he can't risk more than he had. The guy never got it and still posted shit like that. I would just cap his plays out at 10 units.

ah yes ILL,

i know who your talking about, and that got way out of hand. that guy would post 20,40,50 unit plays and post the entire slate of game. it got so bad that you ended up calling him out one day on the forum when posted a 100 unit play.

Winston Smith · 03-08-06, 12:30 PM

I think JayEdgarWho hit the nail on the head.

What exists in the Hoops is something unique from what I've seen at every other forum: A free exchange of ideas. Personally, if somebody wants to share an angle or piece of advice without posting a pick, I'm all for it. The idea is to get as many perspectives as possible, not to decide who to blindly follow.

imgv94 · 03-08-06, 03:02 PM

I am sure we all have heard the saying "Two minds are better than one" Well how about 10 minds inquiring on the same game?

Even though I get no Credit for it,I have been screaming for awhile about how important it is to discuss these games
TOGETHER Like Winston said "The idea is to get as many perspectives as possible, not to decide who to blindly follow" Which is so true!!

We have
something special here now,When capping and
contemplating on what team to select why not get numerous perspectives
from your fellow peers.

It is a win-win situation. I appreciate anyone
who shares there thoughts and opinions. I really like what we have here,
It is something special. You guys agree?