SBRJohn:Lets Talk About Stiffs...

**stealthyburrito** · 03-04-11, 12:27 AM

**B1GER1C828** · 03-04-11, 12:27 AM

Originally posted by BigDaddy

so mods giving 1000 point loans out whats going on here at sbr?

so a mod is being helpful...whats the big deal?

**SBR_John** · 03-04-11, 12:28 AM

Originally posted by Deuce

1000 was a loan he payed back immediatly John. No harm at all. Call me if you have further questions.

Well ok then. I think Bobby can do whatever he wants to with his points just like everyone else. Of course you guys are equally free to question it.

**rfr3sh** · 03-04-11, 12:28 AM

Bobby is a friend that happens to be a mod

**BigDaddy** · 03-04-11, 12:28 AM

i would think sbr wouldn't want mods doing stuff like that

just saying....

i really don't care either way.

**rfr3sh** · 03-04-11, 12:29 AM

what difference does it make if you loan someone 1k or a mod does?

**BigDaddy** · 03-04-11, 12:30 AM

i don't care i was just asking

i see they don't mind

i was wrong

carry on

**VegasInsider** · 03-04-11, 12:31 AM

Originally posted by SBR_John

Well ok then. I think Bobby can do whatever he wants to with his points just like everyone else. Of course you guys are equally free to question it.

That is the position I was expecting SBR to take. If SBR doesn't get involved with point loans and tracking down stiffs, why should they start now? I'm assuming Bobby knew about the past, but he obviously trusted the loan recipient.

Would this thread exist if the recipient stiffed Bobby? I highly doubt it.

**ehp6737** · 03-04-11, 12:31 AM

Originally posted by VegasInsider

Since when did SBR get involved with point loans??

You have Carseller out there that owes 8k+ points to various lenders and he hasn't been questioned. Even myself, I have a large debt that's being paid back and I've never been questioned by SBR.

Last I knew, SBR didn't get involved with points loans...regardless of who made them. I've always heard it's loan at your own risk.

This is true.....when its poster a la poster.. but mods should not be involved in giving ANY loans out. How can they run the asylum if they're popping pills with the patients?

**bobbyfk** · 03-04-11, 12:32 AM

Originally posted by VegasInsider

I'm assuming Bobby knew about the past, but he obviously trusted the loan recipient. .

actually, I didn't

**zam77** · 03-04-11, 12:34 AM

Is there anything "stiff" about this picture??? All done being 12... bye!

**BigDaddy** · 03-04-11, 12:34 AM

bobby can i borrow 1500 points

i have a A+ credit rating

you can ask

cookiemonster
aca
thaddeusb

i will pay you back at least 12 a day

it would really help me out

thanks

**SBR_John** · 03-04-11, 12:36 AM

Originally posted by VegasInsider

That is the position I was expecting SBR to take. If SBR doesn't get involved with point loans and tracking down stiffs, why should they start now? I'm assuming Bobby knew about the past, but he obviously trusted the loan recipient.

Would this thread exist if the recipient stiffed Bobby? I highly doubt it.

Pretty much.. if he gets stiffed se le ve

Its probably not a good idea for mods to make loans. If a mod is stiffed he may harbor a grudge.

**iifold** · 03-04-11, 12:36 AM

This won't go away until I get my 120 points...

If your pals with Patricia, then you've just inherited a % of the debt...

**WileOut** · 03-04-11, 12:36 AM

I can't think of anything more pathetic than stiffing somebody for points. Pat is one smooth cat

**VegasInsider** · 03-04-11, 12:36 AM

Originally posted by ehp6737

This is true.....when its poster a la poster.. but mods should not be involved in giving ANY loans out. How can they run the asylum if they're popping pills with the patients?

Run the asylum? Since they're not policing point loans, this doesn't really hold true. Yeah, they're employed by SBR but it has nothing to do with points. IMO, it would be a whole different story if they were responsible for hounding known stiffs to pay back loans.

I guess it comes down to if you think he did something wrong.

I sure don't.

**rfr3sh** · 03-04-11, 12:37 AM

This thread belongs in THE SALOON

**B1GER1C828** · 03-04-11, 12:41 AM

Originally posted by iifold

This won't go away until I get my 120 points... If your pals with Patricia, then you've just inherited a % of the debt...

stfuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu. stop being so fukin dramatic and maybe people would have respect for you and pay you back. but your such a girl all the time that no1 gives a fuk about anything you say.

**VegasInsider** · 03-04-11, 12:42 AM

^^^^^^^

^^^^^^^^

**BigDaddy** · 03-04-11, 12:43 AM

Originally posted by WileOut

I can't think of anything more pathetic than stiffing somebody for points.

i agree

**BigDaddy** · 03-04-11, 12:44 AM

really though if ifold did get stiffed out of 120 points he has a legit beef and anyone siding with a point stiff is well.......

**sickler** · 03-04-11, 12:46 AM

Originally posted by BigDaddy

i would think sbr wouldn't want mods doing stuff like that

just saying....

i really don't care either way.

SBR is more stiff friendly than the other gambling forums. Unfortunate but that's the way it is......

**iifold** · 03-04-11, 12:52 AM

Notice how not one person will acknowledge that patty is a stiff...

-the owner
-the mods
-the top posters

**Dabeergod** · 03-04-11, 12:54 AM

I have a stiffy this very moment

boyoyoyooyyinggggg

**BigDaddy** · 03-04-11, 12:55 AM

Originally posted by iifold

Notice how not one person will acknowledge that patty is a stiff...

-the owner
-the mods
-the top posters

is he the one that stiffed you for a 125 points?

what is that 10 log ins

lol

unreal

**sickler** · 03-04-11, 12:55 AM

Originally posted by iifold

Notice how not one person will acknowledge that patty is a stiff...

-the owner
-the mods
-the top posters

I know what Venditto has done during his tenure here. Not cool at all.....

**shari91** · 03-04-11, 12:57 AM

Foldie, I 100% know nothing about him being a stiff. I've heard him called a stiff before but it's not like I've spent the time to go investigate by digging up old threads. But to be honest, none of it concerns me. Like I said - I have ALWAYS said be careful about betting and lending points. You take the risk because you're hoping to make a few extra points yourself then there's no one else to blame if it goes awry. We're all a group of gamblers on here. And more importantly - strangers. Some of you people wouldn't lend to your real life friends but you honestly expect a complete random to pay you back? Boggles my mind to be honest.

**excel** · 03-04-11, 01:11 AM

**Carseller4** · 03-04-11, 01:20 AM

Originally posted by VegasInsider

Since when did SBR get involved with point loans??

You have Carseller out there that owes 8k+ points to various lenders and he hasn't been questioned. Even myself, I have a large debt that's being paid back and I've never been questioned by SBR.

Last I knew, SBR didn't get involved with points loans...regardless of who made them. I've always heard it's loan at your own risk.

I have been punished for having too many loans...PM's shut off, even though loan business is conducted everyday at SBR. So SBR does care!

BTW now that Willie Bee is gone, can I have my PM's back??? Mods....help!

Also I am paying back my loans!

**ehp6737** · 03-04-11, 01:40 AM

Originally posted by VegasInsider

Run the asylum? Since they're not policing point loans, this doesn't really hold true. Yeah, they're employed by SBR but it has nothing to do with points. IMO, it would be a whole different story if they were responsible for hounding known stiffs to pay back loans.

I guess it comes down to if you think he did something wrong.

I sure don't.

I dont think he did anything wrong because there wasn't a rule for mods in place forbidding this type of action, so bobby was well within his rights. I'm saying that this event is a great opportunity for SBR to review its policies on mods conduct within the forums. It has nothing to do with whether or not SBR employees are in charge of policing points. It has to do with the fact that mods are in a position of "authority" and involving themselves in certian activities can undermine that authority. As SBR John stated earlier, if the loan wasnt paid back it could've left some bad blood. Maybe it would have, maybe it wouldnt have. But why should SBR allow their employees to put themselves in that position. Only negative things can come from this type of activity. It could possibly affect the ability of the mod to do their job objectively down the road when it pertains to the poster(s) involved. Bottomline....What does SBR gain by allowing this activity?......absolutely nothing. Except headaches such as this thread. So why not just nip it in the butt now and be done with it. There is already an appropriate place setup if a poster needs a loan. The SBR points forum is filled with plenty of lenders. For me it doesnt matter that this particular poster is a scumbag and stiffs everyone. I couldn't give 2 turds that he stiffed iifold. Posters know the risk when dealing with each other. My above response would be the same regardless of who was involved. Mods should moderate and loansharks should loan. But again, Bobby did nothing wrong. I'm just stating my opinion on how it should be from now on from an SBR standpoint.

**ttwarrior1** · 03-04-11, 02:20 AM

can i get a 500 point loan please mods

**horja1** · 03-04-11, 02:41 AM

Are MODs allowed to use their points?

**SEAHAWKHARRY** · 03-04-11, 03:46 AM

What happened to willie bee?

**dngf** · 03-04-11, 03:57 AM

Originally posted by ehp6737

I dont think he did anything wrong because there wasn't a rule for mods in place forbidding this type of action, so bobby was well within his rights. I'm saying that this event is a great opportunity for SBR to review its policies on mods conduct within the forums. It has nothing to do with whether or not SBR employees are in charge of policing points. It has to do with the fact that mods are in a position of "authority" and involving themselves in certian activities can undermine that authority. As SBR John stated earlier, if the loan wasnt paid back it could've left some bad blood. Maybe it would have, maybe it wouldnt have. But why should SBR allow their employees to put themselves in that position. Only negative things can come from this type of activity. It could possibly affect the ability of the mod to do their job objectively down the road when it pertains to the poster(s) involved. Bottomline....What does SBR gain by allowing this activity?......absolutely nothing. Except headaches such as this thread. So why not just nip it in the butt now and be done with it. There is already an appropriate place setup if a poster needs a loan. The SBR points forum is filled with plenty of lenders. For me it doesnt matter that this particular poster is a scumbag and stiffs everyone. I couldn't give 2 turds that he stiffed iifold. Posters know the risk when dealing with each other. My above response would be the same regardless of who was involved. Mods should moderate and loansharks should loan. But again, Bobby did nothing wrong. I'm just stating my opinion on how it should be from now on from an SBR standpoint.

I spend a significant amount of my SBR time in the points forum. I believe there is merit to what ehp6737 is saying here. A couple of points I would offer:

Pat Venditto is listed as a stiff for an unpaid loan dating back to August 2010.

In many threads in PT, there are regular posters that chirp at the Coach/Chief and bobby for points. As nice guys they often grant these requests, and as guys that do not hang out in the points forum, I do not believe they are aware of some of the people that they give points to are well known SBR stiffs.

I am very comfortable with the SBR stance, lender beware. However, I think it couldn't hurt if the mods went through the stiff report, which I updated earlier this week, you can download an excel file or a pdf file. Take a look at who the big SBR stiffs are, and then possibly consider what ehp6737 has said, basically, is this someone I want to be associated with in giving points.

**bobbyfk** · 03-04-11, 04:03 AM

well i wasn't stiffed so whats the difference?