Like Justin said, you might want to get professional in-state advice. A hey-don't-do-that seems weirder than someone taking actual action.
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Bill from the sounds of it they were trying to extract information from him in regards to who he was sending the money to I.E. why they were questioning him about matchbook. The first part with the threat(?) seems more like a ploy to force him to confess any information he may have had on MB which was practically nothing.Comment -
scam i think, **** those mother fuckersComment -
djtrub, you have nothing to worry about.Comment -
The town I live in is not big (under 100k people). Most of the poker players here know eachother. The head of gambling control got my # from card room owners. Apparently he is good friends with a few of them. Oh and if I had to guess I'd take the under on him having 5 employees.Comment -
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Fill out an SBR complaint form and let justin handle the FBIComment -
You pro types bring this on yourselves
If your doing this shit serious you have no fukkin excuse not to have bank accounts all over the fukkin world
It takes a lot of effort and time and some travel but well worth itComment -
my bank closes accounts for any suspected online gambling.Comment -
wow, that's crazy, but I thought gambling online was a "Gray area"Comment -
liar liar pants on fire. this guy needs attention like ttwarrior1. it probably is ttwarrior1. no one would put 60k up into a poker site. total insanity.Comment -
The man you spoke to was correct it is completely possible that if a judge or jury were to rule that you violated the wire act or possible state laws regarding sports gambling that you may be sentenced to a prison term, it is also completely possible that Tennessee-Chattanooga could win the big dance within the next 3 years. Point is just because something is possible does not mean that it is likely to happen law enforcement has and always will use scare tactics. Even if you were convicted in court and the max penalty was 5 years you would most likely only get 1 year of probation and a $500 fine.
As Justin7 suggested never give any type of law enforcement anything more than simple answers (whether you are guilty or not) and if they want more simply tell them to contact your attorney do not tell them "I am sending/receiving funds for offshore gambling" simply tell them "it was an investment". End of conversation!!!!! This guy is not your friend and unless you are being charged with a crime there is no need for any conversation and if you are being charged he needs to speak to your attorney.Last edited by sharpcat; 03-04-11, 09:58 AM.Comment -
how do you even use moneybookers ? they don t allow customers from the US
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An FBI agent would not call you. They would just show up at your doorstep.Comment -
Goodluck pray for only 1 yr in the clinkComment -
Is there a reason you don't want to post your 2+2 name here? Did you post this at 2+2? Why not?Comment -
There are 2 possible answers to this story.....
1) I call bullshit
or
2) A friend is playing a prank on you, and/or someone may be trying to scare you then extort you.
Not much of this story has made any sense. Now this last statement you made just sounds bogus. Why would the "head of the gaming board" need to get your number from some "card room owner". If this story was true and this state agent had been given your case file by the FBI or the Secret Service or whoever, he would have the info he needed to contact you. He wouldnt have to pound pavement to find you. Also, if this story was true, the state gaming board would not even be involved. The gaming board handles gaming in their state. Any possible illegal activity someone might suspect of you would be money laundering, wire fraud, etc. All FEDERAL crimes, and possibly some state laws, BUT not state gaming crimes. And as many posters have stated in this thread, they wouldnt be tipping you off anyway. You think this "gaming agent" is going to risk his job and his pension to tip off some wanker he doesnt even know.
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I'm kind of embarrased this happened to me and want to remain anonymous. My real name is linked to my 2+2 name. I just pm'd you on 2+2. If you want to confirm you can, I don't really care. Just wanted people to know since many will be receiving large wires in the next few weeks.Comment -
So many trolls lol. Like I said I may have been mistaken on his job title. I was kind of in shock... Just e-mailed the agent for his exact job title and to get the exact laws that I broke. I also talked to my accountant today and will speak with a lawyer soon if this escalates, but I doubt it will.Comment -
He's an agent with the gambling investigation bureau and his job description is crime investigator. I asked him to explain the charges and he sent me this.
23-5-152. Possession of illegal gambling device or conducting illegal gambling enterprise prohibited -- exceptions. (1) Except as provided in 23-5-153 and subsections (2) through (6) of this section, it is a misdemeanor punishable under 23-5-161 for a person to purposely or knowingly:
(a) have in the person's possession or under the person's control or permit to be placed, maintained, or kept in any room, space, enclosure, or building owned, leased, or occupied by or under the person's management or control an illegal gambling device; or
(b) operate an illegal gambling enterprise.
23-5-112. Definitions:
"Illegal gambling enterprise" means a gambling enterprise that violates or is not specifically authorized by a statute or a rule of the department. The term includes:
(a) a card game, by whatever name known, involving any bank or fund from which a participant may win money or other consideration and that receives money or other consideration lost by the participant and includes the card games of blackjack, twenty-one, jacks or better, baccarat, or chemin de fer;
(b) a dice game, by whatever name known, in which a participant wagers on the outcome of the roll of one or more dice, including craps, hazard, or chuck-a-luck, but not including activities authorized by 23-5-160;
(c) sports betting, by whatever name known, in which a person places a wager on the outcome of an athletic event, including bookmaking, parlay bets, or sultan sports cards, but not including those activities authorized in Title 23, chapter 4, and parts 2, 5, and 8 of this chapter;
(d) credit gambling; and
(e) internet gambling.
(20) (a) "Internet gambling", by whatever name known, includes but is not limited to the conduct of any legal or illegal gambling enterprise through the use of communications technology that allows a person using money, paper checks, electronic checks, electronic transfers of money, ************, debit cards, or any other instrumentality to transmit to a computer information to assist in the placing of a bet or wager and corresponding information related to the display of the game, game outcomes, or other similar information.
23-5-156. Offering or obtaining anything of value by fraud or operation of illegal gambling device or enterprise. (1) A person who in an activity involving gambling offers or obtains money, property, or anything of value that does not exceed $750 in value by misrepresentation, fraud, or the use of an illegal gambling device or an illegal gambling enterprise is guilty of a misdemeanor and is punishable as provided in 23-5-161.
(2) A person who in an activity involving gambling offers or obtains money, property, or anything of value that exceeds $750 in value by misrepresentation, fraud, or the use of an illegal gambling device or an illegal gambling enterprise is guilty of a felony and is punishable as provided in 23-5-162.
(3) A person who in an activity involving gambling offers or obtains money, property, or anything of value as part of a common scheme, as defined in 45-2-101, by misrepresentation, fraud, or the use of an illegal gambling device or an illegal gambling enterprise is guilty of a felony and is punishable as provided in 23-5-162.
23-5-157. Gambling on cash basis -- penalties. (1) (a) In every gambling activity, except raffles as authorized in 23-5-413 and card games authorized in part 3 of this chapter and normally scored using points, the consideration paid for the chance to play must be made in cash. A check or DC may be used to obtain cash to participate in a gambling activity. A participant shall present the cash needed to play the game as the game is being played. If a check or DC is used to obtain cash on the premises of a licensee then it must be delivered and accepted unconditionally. A licensee or employee of a licensee may not hold a check or other evidence of indebtedness for redemption pending the outcome of a gambling activity.
(b) Credit gambling is prohibited. Credit gambling is offering or accepting as part of the price of participation in a gambling activity or as payment of a debt incurred in a gambling activity:
(i) a check, CC, or DC held pending the outcome of a gambling activity;
(ii) a loan of any kind at any time from or on behalf of a licensee;
(iii) any form of deferred payment, including a note, IOU, post-dated check, hold check, or other evidence of indebtedness; or
(iv) a check issued or delivered that is accepted by the licensee with the knowledge that it will not be paid by the depository.
(2) A person who violates this section is guilty of a criminal offense under 23-5-156 and must be punished in accordance with 23-5-161 or 23-5-162.
These are some state statutes, here is the Federal:
TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 50 > § 1084
§ 1084. Transmission of wagering information; penalties
(a) Whoever being engaged in the business of betting or wagering knowingly uses a wire communication facility for the transmission in interstate or foreign commerce of bets or wagers or information assisting in the placing of bets or wagers on any sporting event or contest, or for the transmission of a wire communication which entitles the recipient to receive money or credit as a result of bets or wagers, or for information assisting in the placing of bets or wagers, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.Comment -
its possible that you made an enemy somewhere and that there is some personal vendetta stuff going on, because to say that this is an unusual thing to happen would be a GIGANTIC understatement. it just never happens, period.
If you can afford to do it, I definitely think some law advice is warranted at this point, because you may be a sacrificial lamb for this guy (or some other) to make a name for himself.
Make sure you are filing your taxes, which you said you were, and I would also get advice as to whether you need to file an FBAR.Comment -
I suspect that this means the new MB ownership opened contact with the US authorities, prior to acquiring MB, in order to make sure they would be in the clear if they followed certain guidelines. I think the US government told them how they wanted people paid out. Obviously the government knows which bank account will be sending all of these wires.Comment -
I received your PM on 2+2.
I believe this guy 100%. He is very reputable and there is no reason for him to lie.
I haven't read the whole thread at this point, so I hope this has not escalated beyong an agent calling you up and basically warning you.
I am sorry this happened to you. I would be very respectful and polite in any dealings you have with law enforcement/prosecutors/gaming officials. Don't give them any info though. It could only hurt you.
Probably nothing will come of this. You should pretty much ignore it and hope it goes away. Personally, I would not even bother getting a lawyer, but that is up to you. I realize that many people will disagree with me on that point. And of course pay all of your taxes, which is a given.
People say you have not broken any laws, and they are probably correct, but it only takes one asshole prosecutor to disagree and you can have charges filed against you. You don't want that, even if you are confident of ultimately getting the charges dismissed/being found not guilty.Last edited by KGambler; 03-04-11, 06:03 PM.Comment -
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OK, just re-read the OP and it turns out I had the wrong idea. I have been running around all day and didn't have much time to read through it. I was assuming it was his recent withdrawal from MB which triggered a red flag. Now I see it was the 3 large DEPOSITS.
OK, my bad. I guess this has nothing to do with MB's new ownership and their dumbass methods of paying out closed accounts.
Edit: I should have realized that no one, as far as I know, has even received a wire from MB yet.Comment -
DJTRUB, thanks for posting this. It's always good to have a heads up on this kind of thing.
Ignore the bustouts who can't even imagine that someone might have a whole $60K to gamble with.Comment
