Matchbook leaving the US

[WileOut]

Betmaker has an introductory deal for new members of 2% commission for winning bets. You don't pay commission on losing bets. Then it goes to 5% (just on winning bets) minus a discount you get based on how much you put into action and how often you play. Even 5% still beats full juice books by a long shot.

But like I said its 2% intro deal. Not sure for how long.

[Dark Horse]

DH 2-0 over past year (MB and Parlaymakers).

Major opportunity for other books, right now, to pick up ex-MB players. BOL apparently will be offering dimelines for MLB, all the way up to 200. Combined with their bonus offer, they might be one of the better positioned books to take advantage.

[FourLengthsClear]

While this is bad news for you guys in the US, it could turn out to be good news in the making for European bettors, if the new ownership manages Matchbook in a way that theres a good liquidity on European sports and with current commission structure we`ll have at last a viable alternative to Betfair`s monopoly.
I`d really love this to happen

How is liquidity going to improve on ANY sport?

Europeans can already use Matchbook (as well as Betfair, Betdaq, WBX, Betsson and Betmaker), what makes you think that banning American players will make Europeans more inclined to set up MB accounts?

[sharpcat]

DH 2-0 over past year (MB and Parlaymakers).

Major opportunity for other books, right now, to pick up ex-MB players. BOL apparently will be offering dimelines for MLB, all the way up to 200. Combined with their bonus offer, they might be one of the better positioned books to take advantage.

Are you shilling for BOL now DH? I notice your support for them in countless threads lately seems kind of fishy considering that they are far from being a great book

[Dark Horse]

Are you shilling for BOL now DH? I notice your support for them in countless threads lately seems kind of fishy considering that they are far from being a great book

Show me those 'countless' threads. Otherwise check your facts before you make allegations.

I was right about MB and Parlaymakers, wasn't I? BOL will be offering dimelines for MLB up to 200. And their limits are higher than at most books. Those are facts. People might be interested in that. Idiot.

[Deep_Rest]

What kind of clowns would buy matchbook only to cut probably half of their business.

[todd73nj]

What a shame about MB. But all the writing was on the wall. I guess this answers all the questions about wether the liquidity was so great and wht the deposit/withdrawl methods disapearring. The one response that comes to mind was someone claiming how Matchbook was on such solid ground. If the 5 to 10 players claiming to get filled on 5k a side easily each night were right - that would be enough reason to stay in the USA.

Just another book that didnt listen to its player and make necessary changes.

Next.

[heyman]

a little reality check

1. its not a surprise that a bunch of small timers "don't use" mb. mb is for large players and people who understand the value of low juice.
2. its not a surprise that sbr has had a hard-on for going after mb ever since mb stopped advertising with them. there's never been a SINGLE issue with payments from mb. not even a single one. and yet there has been an implication for quite a long time around here that mb is 'going under' or some other activity.

if you're a real bettor, and you don't have access to pinnacle or betfair, you are using matchbook. if you aren't, you suck at math. those are pretty much the only options.

"no liquidity" is idiotic. they had tens upon tens of thousands of dollars in matched bets tonight on the Oscars. on the markets that have high interest, the liquidity is extraordinarily high.

lets get back to reality guys.

I agree with points #1 and #2

I disagree with the sentence highlighted red. Many of the sharpest players I know of don't even waste their time with matchbook and they are all very good at math. Arb players play with MB and scalp off at pinny, real bettors find more value in exploiting incompetent bookmakers.

Matchbook has the arbers. But the players who pick off stale numbers, steam, props, low limits on openers, etc etc are the real bettors. Are these the only options?
Handicappers who originate their own line and can make straight bets on gameday are real bettors. 80% of my gameday action is at matchbook – this is devastating for liquidity now.

I think that Matchbook will be idealized in a way similar to Americans with Pinnacle now. People don’t realize a good thing until it’s too late. I know every time I place I bet now I’ll think how I could easily have gotten a couple/few extra cents at Matchbook.

a $35 charge
UNREAL

This can’t be a real complaint.

[sharpcat]

Show me those 'countless' threads. Otherwise check your facts before you make allegations.

I was right about MB and Parlaymakers, wasn't I? BOL will be offering dimelines for MLB up to 200. And their limits are higher than at most books. Those are facts. People might be interested in that. Idiot.

Nobody made any allegations. Moron!

I simply just asked because I have noticed you making a strong presence in every BOL related thread lately and also speak as if you are very familiar with their operations and employees, and now you just kind of brought them into this thread about exchange wagering when they have nothing to do with it many books offer dime lines.

Just seems odd that one would invest so much effort in praising a book like BOL with their recent cancellation of their loyalty program without properly informing players and basically stealing players earned points, their insanely high ML's, and shabby software.

Why not mention 5Dimes, BetJamaica?

Book gets my vote for most improved book in 2010 (even with the software issue during the first month of football), and most likely candidate to join the A+ books in the future. One of the few rising stars in the industry.

"One of the few rising stars in the industry"

They'll be among the A rated books within 2-3 years max.

I don't think they're fake names. JR Maxwell is the VP of player services. He sent me a 2011 desktop calendar, and the accompanying note was signed by what I believe to be everybody working at BOL, including David Mason.

Like I said, if you don't want the e-mails, there's an unsubscribe link at the bottom of each.

[KGambler]

What a shame about MB. But all the writing was on the wall. I guess this answers all the questions about wether the liquidity was so great and wht the deposit/withdrawl methods disapearring. The one response that comes to mind was someone claiming how Matchbook was on such solid ground. If the 5 to 10 players claiming to get filled on 5k a side easily each night were right - that would be enough reason to stay in the USA.

Just another book that didnt listen to its player and make necessary changes.

Next.

Wat?

They are leaving the US market for legal reasons.

[Dark Horse]

Nobody made any allegations. Moron!

I simply just asked because I have noticed you making a strong presence in every BOL related thread lately and also speak as if you are very familiar with their operations and employees, and now you just kind of brought them into this thread about exchange wagering when they have nothing to do with it many books offer dime lines.

Just seems odd that one would invest so much effort in praising a book like BOL with their recent cancellation of their loyalty program without properly informing players and basically stealing players earned points, their insanely high ML's, and shabby software.

Why not mention 5Dimes, BetJamaica?




"One of the few rising stars in the industry"

Three posts is 'countless' to you?

OK. That explains... lol
Have you not seen the true shills on this forum, for books as MB and Heritage?

I give my honest evaluation on a public forum about sportsbooks... I have done so for many books, including 5D, and in many instances where there were conflicts between a book and player. If you have a problem with that, put me on ignore.

[todd73nj]

You can take what you read as gospel if youd like - just as they told Bill a few days ago that nothing was happening. I think this shows the trust level of what they say.

Liquidity had dried up - as you could tell by the majority of the people in this forum - with the exception of a few claiming huge nightly volumes. Volumes were trash for a year now excluding bug events. Deposit and withdrawal methods had been reduced/eliminated/changed one by one for about 6 months now.

But they are leaving the US for legal reasons only? Other books survive in the US.

Reminds me of that same story why Tradesports closed down. Because the new ownership - that supposively had nothing to do with Intrade - didnt want to do business in the US. But yet the withdrawals came from the SAME bank account as Intrade.

Feel free to believe what MB tells you. They seem real trustworthy to me.

[jgilmartin]

Handicappers who originate their own line and can make straight bets on gameday are real bettors. 80% of my gameday action is at matchbook – this is devastating for liquidity now.

Problem was, in a lot of cases, the liquidity sucked up until so close to the game that a lot of the value had already been hammered out of the line. Would you rather take -3 -110 or -4 -102?

[todd73nj]

Problem was, in a lot of cases, the liquidity sucked up until so close to the game that a lot of the value had already been hammered out of the line. Would you rather take -3 -110 or -4 -102?

I posted up all the markets of every NBA game 4 hours prior to tipoffs 2 weeks ago. And there was a few hundred dollars a side max. I offered to do the same the next day also - but all you get were the guys who said everything was great. 80% of my plays were at MB. Im not happy to see them go - but its been obvious something has been going on for 6 months.

[todd73nj]

I posted up all the markets of every NBA game 4 hours prior to tipoffs 2 weeks ago. And there was a few hundred dollars a side max.

Thats strange - look at the markets in the NBA right now - 4am - better than markets when the USA players were able to play. They never had that kind of depth at this time. Usually empty or some offers 10 ticks above/below!!! About $2000 per side right now.

[KGambler]

Thats strange - look at the markets in the NBA right now - 4am - better than markets when the USA players were able to play. They never had that kind of depth at this time. Usually empty or some offers 10 ticks above/below!!! About $2000 per side right now.

I guess it is because they are under new management now. They must be seeding the markets.

I still can't access the site.

[ACoochy]

If MB have half a clue they'd hit the online asian market HARD

[Duff85]

This just seems so dumb to me. Why do they want to take on a giant like Betfair?

[sharpcat]

Three posts is 'countless' to you?

OK. That explains... lol
Have you not seen the true shills on this forum, for books as MB and Heritage?

I give my honest evaluation on a public forum about sportsbooks... I have done so for many books, including 5D, and in many instances where there were conflicts between a book and player. If you have a problem with that, put me on ignore.

3 posts was all that I felt like quoting lets not be childish here and try to discredit me because I have better things to do with my time than dig up your shill like posts.

I simply asked a question if it is simply your honest opinion maybe you should leave out the movie critic lines so that people don't mistake you for a shill.

"One of the few rising stars in the industry" how many thumbs up do you and Ebert give them

[todd73nj]

I guess it is because they are under new management now. They must be seeding the markets.

I still can't access the site.

Which is exactly what MB did in game - put up ghost markets that were unmatchable.

You cant access the page or cant log in?

I can log in - was hoping to cover some of my futures as there are some prices up. But it says "Matchbook is unable to take bets from your region"

Would be funnier if it said, Sorry sucker you'll take our fair value - and pay us $35 to get it.

[heyman]

Nobody made any allegations. Moron!

I simply just asked because I have noticed you making a strong presence in every BOL related thread lately and also speak as if you are very familiar with their operations and employees, and now you just kind of brought them into this thread about exchange wagering when they have nothing to do with it many books offer dime lines.

Just seems odd that one would invest so much effort in praising a book like BOL with their recent cancellation of their loyalty program without properly informing players and basically stealing players earned points, their insanely high ML's, and shabby software.

Why not mention 5Dimes, BetJamaica?

Reduced juice is relevant. They do stand to benefit from this and they have been improving. And they have $5000/$5000 limits vs. $3000/$1000 for BetJamaica and $500/$500 for 5Dimes.

Have you not seen the true shills on this forum, for books as MB and Heritage?

I give my honest evaluation on a public forum about sportsbooks... I have done so for many books, including 5D, and in many instances where there were conflicts between a book and player. If you have a problem with that, put me on ignore.

Matchbook was extremely valuable to many people and they say so. But they are the 'true shills' apparently. BetOnline is and Matchbook was a top book, of course they have vocal supporters. But on SBR everyone everyone is called a shill...

[todd73nj]

Matchbook was extremely valuable to many people and they say so. But they are the 'true shills' apparently. BetOnline is and Matchbook was a top book, of course they have vocal supporters. But on SBR everyone everyone is called a shill...

MB was the most valuable site available to the US player. There is no disputing that. But the people who claimed great liquidity and how MB was on solid groud were way off base. This book has been heading the wrong direction for quite some time. But that did not effect their value because the odds were still the best and they were paying out. But it did effect their usefulness. This book has been useless to me for months as in game trading had dried up to nothing.

[angtank]

Was thee best book we had in the USA.

[andywend]

Matchbook closing is an absolute disaster.

Not much more to say.

[Cantstopmenow]

Tons of liquidity! I just got a G banger down on Detroit in NHL. 5 cents better then pinny.

Same old money machine for me.. nothing has changed!

[Art Vandeleigh]

Weird, I was watching the movie "Wall Street" the other day. Hal Holbrook's quote to Charlie Sheen towards the end of the movie seems appropriate to some here at the moment

"When a man stares into the abyss and sees nothing but darkness, this is the time that he finds his character. And it is his character, that keeps him from falling into the abyss"

[KGambler]

Which is exactly what MB did in game - put up ghost markets that were unmatchable.

You cant access the page or cant log in?

I can log in - was hoping to cover some of my futures as there are some prices up. But it says "Matchbook is unable to take bets from your region"

Would be funnier if it said, Sorry sucker you'll take our fair value - and pay us $35 to get it.

I can log in now. I had to use a mirror site to do it though.

[heyman]

MB was the most valuable site available to the US player. There is no disputing that. But the people who claimed great liquidity and how MB was on solid groud were way off base. This book has been heading the wrong direction for quite some time. But that did not effect their value because the odds were still the best and they were paying out. But it did effect their usefulness. This book has been useless to me for months as in game trading had dried up to nothing.

Straight wagers for major US sports on gameday. Not in-game trading. Sometimes I didn't get matched, sure. It was the best book but one of many I have. I'm not sure what you're arguing.

[lawnmower]

Site not loading for me. Just a blank page. (I'm in the UK).

[laxbrah420]

You think I can get my $3 in commission credits?

[barcelonafc]

Matchbook will probly do wat alot of other people are doing, put betfair prices and liquidity on there site and just back/lay off on betfair.

[happylays]

Matchbook will probly do wat alot of other people are doing, put betfair prices and liquidity on there site and just back/lay off on betfair.

No they won't. The reverse will happen Matchbook will have the best prices because of the most competitive commissions I be thinking!!

[tachi]

What kind of clowns would buy matchbook only to cut probably half of their business.

may be the US government pushed all this.With force.

In fact,Matchbook is closing.The European and Asian markets are already full.
Matchy's new intentions are a dust in the eyes.

[dmtrader]

I don't care what Nicky, Fishhead or anyone else says - unless you are betting on the Super Bowl, you can't get a decent bet down on Matchbook. Sure, you can get $10 matched all day. A large offer will sit there unmatched, and unless you are able to watch that offer, move it around pieces of it during the day, you won't get matched.

[chance]

Good luck everyone getting your money in the US.