UFC fights getting kind of boring?

**King Mayan** · 03-02-11, 01:31 AM

Originally posted by Swinging Johnson

Guys, the fighters are so far superior than even 5 years ago is why the fights are boring. It is an inevitable evolution that the ground game will dominate, therefore, everyone worth his salt has a ground game and the stand up fights are diminishing. We need rule changes if anything. To say the fighters are getting worse is ridiculous. These fighters are tactical not just tough but that equates to a much more cerebral but less exciting fight.

Most fighters now are good at every aspect of mma but not great at one aspect.... Back then it was martial arts vs martial arts... Now it's generic fighter vs generic fighter...

**kiefynugs** · 03-02-11, 02:39 AM

Originally posted by King Mayan

Most fighters now are good at every aspect of mma but not great at one aspect.... Back then it was martial arts vs martial arts... Now it's generic fighter vs generic fighter...

what does this even mean? They all have very different styles apparently you just don't notice so you choose to make broad generalizations about a sport.

This thread is getting stupid

**Poppa Catfish** · 03-02-11, 03:06 AM

This thread never was smart

**Poppa Catfish** · 03-02-11, 03:08 AM

and back then it was a big long infomercial for BJJ, if you really thing Art Jimmerson represented all that was boxing then LOL right in your face, bro.

**King Mayan** · 03-02-11, 03:15 AM

Originally posted by kiefynugs

what does this even mean? They all have very different styles apparently you just don't notice so you choose to make broad generalizations about a sport.

This thread is getting stupid

What's not to understand, back then it was kickboxer vs bjj, etc.....Now it's a little stand up and go for wrestling without finishing... Same generic fighter...

**Vaughany** · 03-02-11, 03:17 AM

Originally posted by omalley21

Usually when two wrestlers fight, the wrestling cancels out and they trade bombs.

Exactly! WHich proves my point

**Vaughany** · 03-02-11, 03:18 AM

Originally posted by King Mayan

What's not to understand, back then it was kickboxer vs bjj, etc.....Now it's a little stand up and go for wrestling without finishing... Same generic fighter...

How many fighters can u actually name who u perceive to be "generic" and who do a little stand-up and go for wrestling...out of interest?

**Poppa Catfish** · 03-02-11, 03:23 AM

Back then it was unskilled guy vs McDojo guy all the way up until they fought Shamrock or Gracie.

Who of the old guard impressed you? Art? The capoeira guy? The ninja? Maybe the guy who invented his own martial art and got KO'd due to punches to the balls? I know, maybe it was the sumo wrestler!

**jin2daj** · 03-02-11, 03:29 AM

Originally posted by Vaughany

How many fighters can u actually name who u perceive to be "generic" and who do a little stand-up and go for wrestling...out of interest?

nik lentz and randy come to mind.

**Poppa Catfish** · 03-02-11, 03:39 AM

Ben Askren, Diego Sanchez, Brock Lesnar, Jake Shields and many many more

He has a point, then again we used to see a lot of different individual types of ways to shoot free throws; from underhand (Rick mother ******* Barry) on to jump shots. Now everyone shoots the boring old way.

**jin2daj** · 03-02-11, 03:47 AM

Originally posted by the_situation

Some fights are yea...I only like watching guys like Jones/Silva/Rampage/Rua/Edgar/Velasquez/Brock etc...i hate guys that lay and pray for decisions.

dont hate on the lay and prayers... hate on the fighters who dont bother learning to defend it.

**Poppa Catfish** · 03-02-11, 03:50 AM

Originally posted by jin2daj

dont hate on the lay and prayers... hate on the fighters who dont bother learning to defend it.

The guys holding on for dear life, laying there and praying that the ref will restart the fight on to their feet. I agree completely, excellent point.

**THE_LOCKSMITH** · 03-02-11, 04:05 AM

Originally posted by King Mayan

Most fighters now are good at every aspect of mma but not great at one aspect.... Back then it was martial arts vs martial arts... Now it's generic fighter vs generic fighter...

your right i'm sick of todays "generic fighters" like GSP, Silva, Velasquez, Rua. I long for the days when fighters were "great at one aspect" like Tank Abbott

**Vaughany** · 03-02-11, 04:13 AM

Originally posted by jin2daj

nik lentz and randy come to mind.

Originally posted by Poppa Catfish

Ben Askren, Diego Sanchez, Brock Lesnar, Jake Shields and many many more

He has a point, then again we used to see a lot of different individual types of ways to shoot free throws; from underhand (Rick mother ******* Barry) on to jump shots. Now everyone shoots the boring old way.

Yee Lentz and Randy are good examples, Ben Askren and Shields I guess as well. A lot of Sanchez fights end up being FOTN though, and Lesnar hasnt had many boring fights...both Mir fights had finishes, the Herring fight wasnt boring, finishes Randy, finished by Cain? Of course people are gonna say Fitch, Maynard and GSP as well. But in the grand scheme of things it's a small proportion in relation to the amount of fighters out there at the highest level. They just happen to be some of the best most successful fighters so is highlighted more.

**will2survive** · 03-02-11, 04:38 AM

you pay for it?

**Ian** · 03-02-11, 06:24 AM

Here's my idea to make UFC more entertaining: fix the matches, but tell people it's real. "Fight" more often, and concentrate on using brief promos from the fighters to draw in crowds while using athletic in ring moves to keep them coming back. Totally scrap the aspects of the matches that are boring to watch, and replace it with fictional drama between the two guys in the cage. Basically, make it the way pro wrestling was in the 40s and 50s.

**kiefynugs** · 03-02-11, 07:40 AM

Players Talk is exactly like sherdog... never visited until now

**Vaughany** · 03-02-11, 08:26 AM

Originally posted by kiefynugs

Players Talk is exactly like sherdog... never visited until now

ha very true!

**ttrace35** · 03-02-11, 08:29 AM

God forbid Someone not be in love with the almighty ufc. People are allowed to have opinions. lol

**Swinging Johnson** · 03-02-11, 08:37 AM

Originally posted by Ian

Here's my idea to make UFC more entertaining: fix the matches, but tell people it's real. "Fight" more often, and concentrate on using brief promos from the fighters to draw in crowds while using athletic in ring moves to keep them coming back. Totally scrap the aspects of the matches that are boring to watch, and replace it with fictional drama between the two guys in the cage. Basically, make it the way pro wrestling was in the 40s and 50s.

This is the recipe and disaster is the entree.

**ttrace35** · 03-02-11, 08:46 AM

Originally posted by kiefynugs

Players Talk is exactly like sherdog... never visited until now

Ok its official. If you haven't been happy with recent ufc events, you have to stop posting here and go to sherdog. Thanks.

**Vaughany** · 03-02-11, 08:56 AM

Originally posted by ttrace35

Ok its official. If you haven't been happy with recent ufc events, you have to stop posting here and go to sherdog. Thanks.

Think he's referring to players talk in general Trace, there's a lot of nonense and ridiculous threads in there regardless of this one. And this thread itself wasnt retarded, it's fine that some people think the UFC is gettin boring, it's just the rationals behind why some of the people think it's boring which is retarded!

**ttrace35** · 03-02-11, 09:18 AM

Players talk is where legends are made.

**gdoom** · 03-02-11, 09:34 AM

No, when the UFC first got started, that was the shit..They used to fight to someone was dead or gave up...We liked watching that!

**ttrace35** · 03-02-11, 09:42 AM

Originally posted by gdoom

No, when the UFC first got started, that was the shit..They used to fight to someone was dead or gave up...We liked watching that!

100% right. Ufc built its name off these type of fights. If ufc started out with these boring wrestling matches, it wouldn't be anywhere near as big as it is today. That's why I laugh when these guys are arguing how great ufc is today.

**kiefynugs** · 03-02-11, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by King Mayan

What's not to understand, back then it was kickboxer vs bjj, etc.....Now it's a little stand up and go for wrestling without finishing... Same generic fighter...

That certainly is a formula for success but it does not describe the style of even a quarter of UFC fights.

**keyboarding** · 03-02-11, 03:21 PM

So much stupidity in this thread.

**RaiderNation MMA** · 03-02-11, 03:46 PM

strikeforce is def comin up tho with this april card

**ttrace35** · 03-02-11, 05:38 PM

Originally posted by keyboarding

So much stupidity in this thread.

Please enlighten us with some of your vast knowledge.

**Varker** · 03-03-11, 12:48 AM

its all about matchups, some won't be as entertaining as others, its part of every sport.

**StraitShooter** · 03-03-11, 01:01 AM

Originally posted by Varker

its all about matchups, some won't be as entertaining as others, its part of every sport.

agreed

UFC is too fuken good to be true...Guys beating the shit out of each other and we can bet and watch it

Hey there is a decent card for free tonight on Versus guys!

Kampman-Dirty Diego Sanchez

CB Dollaway-Munoz

Natal-Sakara

and Bowles-Page are the 4 fights I see listed in the tv guide

I just checked and sbr book has 2 of these fights plus Tavares-Roller

**purecarnagge** · 03-03-11, 01:16 AM

GSP spend so much time riding people in the octagon, he's either gay or bisexual. Dude can't finish a fight if his life depended on it, but he'll sure ride that ass

**Jakesteen** · 03-03-11, 12:13 PM

Originally posted by NLackman87

The spiders kick to the face was bad ass.

Steven segal taught it to him and then he trained to get it right. A real martial artist and Legitimate Black Belt taught him the technique that in a flash ended that fight. That's what I'm talkin' about.

**ttrace35** · 03-03-11, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by purecarnagge

GSP spend so much time riding people in the octagon, he's either gay or bisexual. Dude can't finish a fight if his life depended on it, but he'll sure ride that ass

UFC promotes this type of fighting because they have so much love for the takedown. Guy takes someone down and does nothing but lay there. Ref doesn't stand them up(7-8 years ago, much quicker ref stand-ups). Guy wins the round and the fight this way. Crowd is booing uncontrollably, buy guy doesn't care. He won.

**PaperTrail07** · 03-03-11, 12:51 PM

Originally posted by Smoke

Clay guida is one of the only fighters that is actually fun to watch. Dude is high intensity the whole way.

Today ufc kinda sucks compared to the old ufc back in the mid 90's. Back then there were no gloves, no weight classes, and you could wear a fukkin karate uniform if u wanted. Also back then I don't think the refs could stop the fights. It was either stopped by tapout or throwing the towel.

I miss the old ufc but I guess the current ufc is better than nothing. If it wasn't for Dana white the ufc would be dead

100% agree---i grew up watching the original ufc's and this shit just does not compare but its all we got---hes trying to get it on ESPN and make it respectful rather than staying true to fighting--- the originators of UFC quit when eye gouging was banned