Sbr Wager Tracker Needs To Be Changed

[jjgold]

Will never work they way it is set up as far as other tracking posters plays. Most guys are not going to use it for their own personal records but I think most will use their own picks so others can follow without dollar amounts, books, ect. Here is the solution and it is the only solution to make this real good. The major flaw is it relies to much on the honor system and that ain't working and guys records will be frauds.

1. Has to be a live feed from a book to grab all the lines, a book that has tons of lines like Greek or 5 Dimes so no one can say something is not offered. What this will do is ensure everyone is betting legit numbers and the numbers cannot be tampered with.

2. Auto Grading only, we cannot have any ability to grade our wagers.

3. Use unit amounts only from maybe 1 to 5.

4. It really will be a virtual sportsbook by one of the sponsors.
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5. This will ensure honesty, consistency and a nice product where everyone can track guys on the same playing field.


Covers,Wagerline and Big Guy Sports are very successful with similar products because it is all automated, basically point and click.

I think SBR is going to make this one have many more options that those ad more detailed but HAS TO FOLLOW my suggestions or this will not work.

Automated Integration is not hard with the top programmers here and you already have the live lines feed.

Do the right thing here

[diogee]

JJ I agree...Chuteboxe and I were just talking about the possibility of a live feed and auto grading to prevent past posting and fudging records.

[jjgold]

Diogee you are correct, I like where SBR is going with this and they can make it much more detailed than Wagerline but it needs to be automated, SBR can be different though and offer qtrs, second halves, money lines, ect through a sponsor books feeds. It will be the identical feed of the book so need to use a book that has tons of bet offers and early openers.

[diogee]

Either way this product is a great idea from the SBR staff but if they implement those changes then it will definitely put it over the top.

[austintx05]

where is this product?

[diogee]

There was a sign up thread yesterday for 10 people to sign up and test the product as well as nit pick at it.

[thegreatdiatchi]

I agree with JJ particularly on the fact that alot of ppl aren't going to want to be bothered manually entering their plays. I'm not so much concerned with someone posting fraud picks because either way the picks will still need to be posted before the games - which means we will know what that person picked.

It depends on what we want to consider a pick. If we are only considering picks where actual money is put on a play then what JJ mentioned is perfect. If we also want to consider "best bets" or other plays that the person doesn't put money on but is very confident on then we also need to have a manual option since those people won't be going through books.

[diogee]

Another thing that I have already mentioned to the staff is that it doesn't actually show the line that was wagered on. The main thing that I am worried about is the self grading...say someone does themselves a few favors to get the record better it could lure in a new poster to following those plays thinking that the record is solid so that person is a good one to follow.

[5 star bomb]

Another thing that I have already mentioned to the staff is that it doesn't actually show the line that was wagered on. The main thing that I am worried about is the self grading...say someone does themselves a few favors to get the record better it could lure in a new poster to following those plays thinking that the record is solid so that person is a good one to follow.

Yeah same thing that I was thinking Diogee....

[thegreatdiatchi]

Another thing that I have already mentioned to the staff is that it doesn't actually show the line that was wagered on. The main thing that I am worried about is the self grading...say someone does themselves a few favors to get the record better it could lure in a new poster to following those plays thinking that the record is solid so that person is a good one to follow.

Exactly. My number one worry on this is that some idiot is going to post bogus picks just to be an ass when the person really doesn't know what he/she is doing. While it isn't practical you need to take these things into consideration (it's one of the major things you learn in any form of software development - not just here). It would be nice to have the manual entry as an option so everyone could track (some people can't afford to place plays but still like the challenge of seeing how good they are at it) but if i'm looking to make a play i'm going to mirror the guy who is 50-25 in all pay only predictions over the past month, not the guy who is 65-10 in the past month but hasn't wagered a dime.

[diogee]

The only problem with that is you really don't know who is actually wagering on their picks...the problem is that a newbie will come along and say holy Shit this guy is hitting 68% over 200 plays so I am going to tail him when in all actuality anyone could mis grade their plays to better the record.

[thegreatdiatchi]

The only problem with that is you really don't know who is actually wagering on their picks...the problem is that a newbie will come along and say holy Shit this guy is hitting 68% over 200 plays so I am going to tail him when in all actuality anyone could mis grade their plays to better the record.

True also. That brings up two other questions:

1. How should plays be graded? Should it be the amount of money posted on the play or the confidence level of the bettor - or something else? I question whether plays should even be graded in the first place.

2. While I know it could be done how are we going to know who's who with the auto feed? For example: I could be named "wackingmonkey" on betjamaica but i'm "thegreatdiatchi" here. To try to give a partial answer here I think everyone who wants to be part of this is going to have to come up with a unique handle id specifically for this...but I know there is more we need to look at here than just that - especially considering this whole thing is very wide open as to exactly what it's going to be able to do.

I would rather take some more time answering all of these types of questions before having the product designed than have the programmers build a product that might not meet all of our goals for this. (aka follow the System Development Life Cycle)

[DukeJohn]

I do not have this product, so I am only commenting on the posts and putting in my two cents.

The automated aspects are good, but if it was me, I would prefer a personal system; one where I put in my lines for my picks. I, personally, am not interested in posting my picks for the public. So, I would want the option not to have them displayed. Now auto-grading would be great, but not necessary.

I guess in the end, for me, I would love the product to be a personal tool. It seems it is geared for public display and I hope when it comes out it offers the option for both.

[tomcowley]

Expecting SBR to be able to interpret (and autograde) every obscure thing 5D offers seems like asking too much. If it's limited to major stuff (say, what SBRlines offers to display), then this could work.

[jjgold]

It is very easy to auto grade, sports books do it automatically ON MOST EVENTS USING SCORE FEEDS.

They could have a manual system for guys actually keeping track of their wagers that remains private and then the public automated system but an enhanced version of wagerline.

[Bill Dozer]

Thanks guys! These are great discussion points for a future product. Once the tracker is finished we will go in this direction. The user will be able to use the books featured on SBRlines. Auto-grading and consensus picks as well as capping challenges will be available.

With the SBR WagerTracker... think of Google Spreadsheets for bettors. It's designed to be a tool for people who want to track their real plays whether it's on snooker at WillHill or bets they are placing in Vegas.

You probably wouldn't want to follow anyone blindly like some people do with WagerLine but it should fit the need for the posters who put their %s in their posts with their picks.

[ChuteBoxe]

Capping challenges are a great idea. There's a few big mouths on here I would love to have the pleasure of schooling. I'm sure Dio's with me on this too.

[MadCapper]

I like the direction we are heading!

[diogee]

Capping challenges are a great idea. There's a few big mouths on here I would love to have the pleasure of schooling. I'm sure Dio's with me on this too.

I am not up for capping challenges yet. Maybe sometime in the future once I feel confident about my capping abilities...with that being said there is one trash talking punk that I would go head to head with....you know I am talking about you MC15

[ChuteBoxe]

Dude, you're better than half the people on here, rx, and eog. The person I'm talking about is too stupid to post their own picks, just fades people, and not people who lose either, people who win. So I guess that just makes him a loser across the board.

[diogee]

Dude, you're better than half the people on here, rx, and eog. The person I'm talking about is too stupid to post their own picks, just fades people, and not people who lose either, people who win. So I guess that just makes him a loser across the board.

I remember now...not sure about the first part. I am still a newbie to capping games so only time will tell.

[jjgold]

Hopefully SBR techs working on changes already, I will not use until implemented.

[Santo]

I registered a couple of days ago, but then had to rush out and now can't seem to get back in, it redirects me to the SBR Home Page when I click the login link..

That said, my expectation for this was that it was going to be a private function along the lines of Wagerstation or similar, it seems this is going to be a public display of picks however, which will likely render it useless to many..

[jjgold]

Santo hopefully there will be two systems

1. The private Wagerstation type

2. A Public one

[mofome]

kinks should be a bit smoother now. still working on some things with everyones feedback. lay it on the tech guys and see what they can get us.

[jjgold]

let me try it out again this weekend

[SBR_John]

JJ, diogee, thegreatdiatchi and Duke thats some world class feedback. SBR is lucky to have you guys.

[diogee]

Thanks SBR John.

[BeatTheJerk]

this sounds really intriguing ...........

[Santo]

Whatever happened to this? I never did get my access restored..

[pavyracer]

Whatever happened to this? I never did get my access restored..

victim of budget cuts to hire more posters.