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  • wtf
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 08-22-08
    • 12983

    #36
    Originally posted by chachi
    bet 365 gets the highest unique clickthrough rate from oddschecker for one reason.

    nowhere else can you back a horse at 20 or 21 when betfair and the rest of the world are at 12.
    nowhere else can you back overs at 2.25 when betfair and the rest of the world are at 1.90.

    I can go on ad nauseum, there prices are so often WELL off-market it is not funny.
    damn, i better check that out if true
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    • nenad
      Restricted User
      • 08-12-09
      • 714

      #37
      big lol
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      • chachi
        SBR MVP
        • 02-16-07
        • 4571

        #38
        wtf - their horse odds on the middle-of-pack semi outsiders go stale, not get updated, still will take bets at those levels, and they'll cripple your account after hitting them a few times.

        but I mistyped, instead of overs I meant 'goal' or 'both to score' whichever parlance you want to use ... can almost always dutch 365 against expekt on goal/no goal for ~2% on at least one or two matches a day
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        • jjgold
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 07-20-05
          • 388179

          #39
          Turnover wise no one even close to betfair

          Bet365 might have more active accounts only
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          • Border Gadgie
            SBR Sharp
            • 08-18-08
            • 477

            #40
            Absolutely pointless post, do all punters only use oddschecker? I dont think so , betfair is an exchange so the more anyone bets the more commision they receive so its in their interest to have unlimited bet size. Bet365 is a good book, but anyone will be eventually limited there and normally fairly quickly if you are a savvy punter/arber, even with small.medium size bets. 3000/4000 bets.......what currency rupees? Ha! You have got to be avin a complete giraffe.
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            • magynuck
              SBR Wise Guy
              • 09-17-09
              • 891

              #41
              i assume from the absurdity of this post it was merely meant to incite
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              • patswin
                SBR MVP
                • 09-05-06
                • 1794

                #42
                never cared for bet365, they were the first book to cut my limits
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                • dikefale
                  SBR MVP
                  • 09-20-10
                  • 1017

                  #43
                  Originally posted by Border Gadgie
                  Absolutely pointless post, do all punters only use oddschecker? I dont think so , betfair is an exchange so the more anyone bets the more commision they receive so its in their interest to have unlimited bet size. Bet365 is a good book, but anyone will be eventually limited there and normally fairly quickly if you are a savvy punter/arber, even with small.medium size bets. 3000/4000 bets.......what currency rupees? Ha! You have got to be avin a complete giraffe.
                  Why you are so rude,you can ask Hareeba he can confirm about my wagers.
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                  • Border Gadgie
                    SBR Sharp
                    • 08-18-08
                    • 477

                    #44
                    Originally posted by dikefale
                    Why you are so rude,you can ask Hareeba he can confirm about my wagers.
                    Not trying to be rude dude, its just that compared to the majority of everyone else on here or any other forum, your post is barely credible, Why do you find it hard to believe that many people are very limited in the amount they can bet, to the point of being worthless? If you really do get huge bets on at Bet365 then the best of luck to you, there must be a specific reason you are allowed these kind of bets as very few UK bookies would ever allow such a bet without it being immediately referred to a senior trader thus highlighting your account, unless you are taking very poor value odds/lines, this would normally be another reason to be severely limited.
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                    • AribaAriba
                      SBR MVP
                      • 04-03-09
                      • 2922

                      #45
                      Ya u can win a million in betfair and the commission fee when u going to withdraw is going to be about 200,000K.
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                      • dikefale
                        SBR MVP
                        • 09-20-10
                        • 1017

                        #46
                        Originally posted by Border Gadgie
                        Not trying to be rude dude, its just that compared to the majority of everyone else on here or any other forum, your post is barely credible, Why do you find it hard to believe that many people are very limited in the amount they can bet, to the point of being worthless? If you really do get huge bets on at Bet365 then the best of luck to you, there must be a specific reason you are allowed these kind of bets as very few UK bookies would ever allow such a bet without it being immediately referred to a senior trader thus highlighting your account, unless you are taking very poor value odds/lines, this would normally be another reason to be severely limited.
                        I just dont understand what do i have in my life if im lying you at forum
                        I dont bet every day for few thousands bets but really never had a problem with placing bet. Sometimes said something like:you reach limit,your request is sent to trader to confirm or decline(not this words but this meaning). And all the time accept.
                        Maybe because i dont have any strategy when im betting they dont limit me. I will see maybe some day soon they will limit me. Im limited only at bwin,and this is my only example.
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                        • chachi
                          SBR MVP
                          • 02-16-07
                          • 4571

                          #47
                          Originally posted by AribaAriba
                          Ya u can win a million in betfair and the commission fee when u going to withdraw is going to be about 200,000K.
                          well you'd never be allowed to win 800k at a book so whats your point?
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                          • yobinad
                            SBR Sharp
                            • 06-26-09
                            • 332

                            #48
                            Betfair have better odds than bet 365 wtf. I have no doubt.
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                            • jjgold
                              SBR Aristocracy
                              • 07-20-05
                              • 388179

                              #49
                              No fighting men

                              Some good info in here by posters

                              Lets keep it going
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                              • gangeriver
                                SBR MVP
                                • 12-23-09
                                • 2138

                                #50
                                what does these numbers mean? and what is bigger ? company profit? paid tax?
                                different types of books. childish and nonsense thread.
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                                • Sawyer
                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                  • 06-01-09
                                  • 7761

                                  #51
                                  LoL, we can't even compare Betfair with Bet365. It's like comparing Apple and Amiga, lol.

                                  You can't make trading in Bet365. Betfair offers lots of trading/scalping opportunities.
                                  Bet365's bookie margin is higher since it's a sportsbook. Betfair is a betting exchange.
                                  Bet365 is for recreational bettors.

                                  However, I must admit that Bet365's betting options are very very large. It's very impressive but still we can't compare it with Betfair. %98 of sports bettor lose over the long haul so %98 of betting public don't have limit/slow pay problems.
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                                  • laconic
                                    SBR High Roller
                                    • 11-02-08
                                    • 120

                                    #52
                                    Originally posted by gangeriver
                                    what does these numbers mean? and what is bigger ? company profit? paid tax?
                                    different types of books. childish and nonsense thread.
                                    it's a price comparison site, they are just measuring the number of click throughs.
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                                    • chachi
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 02-16-07
                                      • 4571

                                      #53
                                      Originally posted by yobinad
                                      Betfair have better odds than bet 365 wtf. I have no doubt.
                                      actually Yobin there are dozens of opportunities a day where 365 is above Betfair (and above the rest of the market).

                                      they have way too many lines and props to keep an eye on, hence their need to harshly limit those who pick them off as it is not too difficult to do and if they didn't they would get fleeced at times.
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                                      • blueghost
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 09-11-09
                                        • 1715

                                        #54
                                        Originally posted by chachi
                                        bet 365 gets the highest unique clickthrough rate from oddschecker for one reason.

                                        nowhere else can you back a horse at 20 or 21 when betfair and the rest of the world are at 12.
                                        nowhere else can you back 'goal' at 2.25 when betfair and the rest of the world are at 1.90.

                                        I can go on ad nauseum, there prices are so often WELL off-market it is not funny.
                                        also they have been around for a dogs age and are trusted
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                                        • tofuman
                                          SBR Wise Guy
                                          • 01-11-10
                                          • 887

                                          #55
                                          Originally posted by jjgold
                                          ll these places are basically the same except bet365 and betfair

                                          Bet365 is the leader for live betting with a very easy betting platform but not real good betting limits

                                          Betfair for exchanges well there is no second place
                                          for exchanges matchbook is 2nd place. (1st place for US customers... since there are no other options, lol)
                                          local forum troll
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                                          • chachi
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 02-16-07
                                            • 4571

                                            #56
                                            very true blueghost, but also many/most users of oddschecker are looking at UK books and the rules/regs for the most part level the playing field in terms of payout requirements/etc/etc. oddschecker is a main tool for I'd guess 60-70% of the arbers/bonus baggers in the UK.
                                            Originally posted by tofuman
                                            for exchanges matchbook is 2nd place. (1st place for US customers... since there are no other options, lol)
                                            To be frank, Matchbook does not even come up on the proverbial radar screens of European or Asian players. If you want to trade markets and scalp in play and effectively pick pockets, you go where the crowds are
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                                            • Salamander
                                              SBR Sharp
                                              • 12-25-09
                                              • 397

                                              #57
                                              Originally posted by AribaAriba
                                              Ya u can win a million in betfair and the commission fee when u going to withdraw is going to be about 200,000K.
                                              You don't have to wait until you take out the money they will scoop up the $200k from your account (premium Charge) in the middle of the next week sometime
                                              sbr
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                                              • jjgold
                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                • 07-20-05
                                                • 388179

                                                #58
                                                All top books lets not kid ourselves
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                                                • AribaAriba
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 04-03-09
                                                  • 2922

                                                  #59
                                                  My point is with betfair, the odds are attractive at it is but they will kill you with commission when you withdraw your funds(2k avg commision $-150 on withdrawal). I'll play @ pinny anytime all the time and they'll let you withdraw no commission BS. I'll use all my trustworthy friends, relatives that i trust if they start limiting me.
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                                                  • Raven66
                                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                                    • 09-21-09
                                                    • 824

                                                    #60
                                                    Originally posted by Sawyer
                                                    LoL, we can't even compare Betfair with Bet365. It's like comparing Apple and Amiga, lol.

                                                    You can't make trading in Bet365. Betfair offers lots of trading/scalping opportunities.
                                                    Bet365's bookie margin is higher since it's a sportsbook. Betfair is a betting exchange.
                                                    Bet365 is for recreational bettors.

                                                    However, I must admit that Bet365's betting options are very very large. It's very impressive but still we can't compare it with Betfair. %98 of sports bettor lose over the long haul so %98 of betting public don't have limit/slow pay problems.
                                                    Comparison with Bet365 and 5Dimes would be better.
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                                                    • FourLengthsClear
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 12-29-10
                                                      • 3808

                                                      #61
                                                      Originally posted by AribaAriba
                                                      My point is with betfair, the odds are attractive at it is but they will kill you with commission when you withdraw your funds(2k avg commision $-150 on withdrawal). I'll play @ pinny anytime all the time and they'll let you withdraw no commission BS. I'll use all my trustworthy friends, relatives that i trust if they start limiting me.
                                                      You pay nothing when "you withdraw".

                                                      The big hitters generally pay 2-3% commission on winnings and are smart enough to be able to avoid Premium Charge altogether.

                                                      I have only ever heard of two bettors (as opposed to traders) ever having been liable for Premium Charge at all. I am sure there are more than that but the simple truth is that at flat stakes you would be have to be hitting over 62% for it to be a factor.
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                                                      • thespeculator
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 09-09-08
                                                        • 2999

                                                        #62
                                                        for live betting bet365 has the most options , i don't get why they can't have every nba, and nhl game, but they will have kuwait soccer on live play
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                                                        • FourLengthsClear
                                                          SBR MVP
                                                          • 12-29-10
                                                          • 3808

                                                          #63
                                                          Originally posted by thespeculator
                                                          for live betting bet365 has the most options , i don't get why they can't have every nba, and nhl game, but they will have kuwait soccer on live play
                                                          The tend, of course, to focus on events that are televised live in the UK and their other main markets.
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                                                          • Hareeba!
                                                            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                            • 07-01-06
                                                            • 37307

                                                            #64
                                                            Originally posted by AribaAriba
                                                            Ya u can win a million in betfair and the commission fee when u going to withdraw is going to be about 200,000K.
                                                            do you really know how it all works ?
                                                            or is that just your brilliant mind telling you that $1M @ 20% = $200K ?
                                                            dreadfully misleading post.
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                                                            • Hareeba!
                                                              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                              • 07-01-06
                                                              • 37307

                                                              #65
                                                              Originally posted by dikefale
                                                              I just dont understand what do i have in my life if im lying you at forum
                                                              I dont bet every day for few thousands bets but really never had a problem with placing bet. Sometimes said something like:you reach limit,your request is sent to trader to confirm or decline(not this words but this meaning). And all the time accept.
                                                              Maybe because i dont have any strategy when im betting they dont limit me. I will see maybe some day soon they will limit me. Im limited only at bwin,and this is my only example.
                                                              I don't think anyone's accused you of lying mate.
                                                              The simple point is that they don't see you as a threat to their bottom line as you aren't taking best regulary. You aren't following steam or arbing. You are probably betting early into big markets and they can take the opportunity to balance your bets in the market - maybe even arb them themselves so you are probably good for them.
                                                              Most here who have been limited so severely shop keenly for prices and engage in arbing. Bookies know they are not going to be profitable accounts for them so effectively boot them.
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                                                              • Hareeba!
                                                                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                • 07-01-06
                                                                • 37307

                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by AribaAriba
                                                                My point is with betfair, the odds are attractive at it is but they will kill you with commission when you withdraw your funds(2k avg commision $-150 on withdrawal). I'll play @ pinny anytime all the time and they'll let you withdraw no commission BS. I'll use all my trustworthy friends, relatives that i trust if they start limiting me.
                                                                what BS!
                                                                even -105 -105 represents 4.76% commission
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                                                                • Hareeba!
                                                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                  • 07-01-06
                                                                  • 37307

                                                                  #67
                                                                  Originally posted by Salamander
                                                                  You don't have to wait until you take out the money they will scoop up the $200k from your account (premium Charge) in the middle of the next week sometime
                                                                  someone else who obviously has NFI how it really works!
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                                                                  • mav924
                                                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                                                    • 12-06-09
                                                                    • 718

                                                                    #68
                                                                    Bet365 is no good. As soon as I made a withdrawal, limits were reduced. Btw the withdrawal was only for 100 after having deposited 300 and losing 200. I no longer use Bet365 at all. Never have that problem with other books such as Pinnacle
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                                                                    • Hareeba!
                                                                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                      • 07-01-06
                                                                      • 37307

                                                                      #69
                                                                      Originally posted by thespeculator
                                                                      for live betting bet365 has the most options , i don't get why they can't have every nba, and nhl game, but they will have kuwait soccer on live play
                                                                      quite simple really
                                                                      Bet$3.65 is a UK firm and the majority of their clients European based
                                                                      Soccer is THE world game and ranks just so far ahead of the rest
                                                                      most Europeans wouldn't have a clue what NBA and NHL even stand for!
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                                                                      • LGBoots
                                                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                                                        • 08-10-05
                                                                        • 742

                                                                        #70
                                                                        Bet365 are a decent book. Good odds on the Horses + Regular little bonuses to keep you happy
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