One time the guy pitched in a game that really meant something he blew it against the yanks in the WS in 98. Love to see these "great" reg season closers spit the bit come november. Joe Nathan also. Who I think two or three years ago was a clear second to the great rivera. what a fraud. who cares a bout a game in june. 603 meaningless saves. Just goes to show you how awsome the great mariano rivera is.
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At least Hoffman still has a soulComment -
thx pal. preciate youOriginally posted by OmgUrMom
what team do you root for. what stiff comes trotting in in the 9th when you're watching you're favorite team
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Ignorant Yankees fan...
No respect for anyone unless they wore the pinstripes. Let me guess, you think Kevin Brown and Carl Pavano are all-time greats?Comment -
no problem.Originally posted by brxbmbers42thx pal. preciate you
what team do you root for. what stiff comes trotting in in the 9th when you're watching you're favorite team
Matt Capps last year, Joe nathan this year.
not his fault twins never give him a chance to close a game in the playoffs
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marino rivera is a rly great closerComment -
2nd best closer in baseball before the injuries IMO. hopefully he comes back healthy. i am a big fan of nathanOriginally posted by OmgUrMomno problem.
Matt Capps last year, Joe nathan this year.
not his fault twins never give him a chance to close a game in the playoffsComment -
first ballot hall of famer.Comment -
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From a short stop to a closer and having the best change-up in the league.
Not a fraud, a sure Hall of Famer in the minds of true baseball fans.Comment -
Great pitcher....but of course Mariano is better doesn't even come close.Comment -
had a good career.Comment -
Nobody asked for your opinion Nazi. What do you know about baseball???blog '09-'10: 37-16: +$31,900
mlb 2010; 16-12: +$4,540
gellyhoops 2010: 10-6 +$3,150
overall: 63-34 +$40,290Comment -
No...He had a Hall of Fame career...Originally posted by denn333
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still a great great pitcher .. easy with the fraud shit ... all time leader in savesComment -
3rd ballot hofer, hell half of us just hope to be alive in 5 yearsComment -
great pitcher but has nothin on riveraComment -
You've got to have some respect for the longevity that Hoffman has had, though, over his career. He had nine seasons with 40+ saves. I love Mo, but you can't be disrespecting 601 saves.Originally posted by brxbmbers42Comment -
typical arrogant yankees fan....go thru live thinking that no other teams or players matter...good job dude,you team's success would not be possible without you being a complete tool!
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not my problem you are a royals fan pal. not my problem the entire royals team has been on the golf course the morning of oct1st for the last 20 years.Originally posted by kcDdegeneratetypical arrogant yankees fan....go thru live thinking that no other teams or players matter...good job dude,you team's success would not be possible without you being a complete tool!Comment -
Yankees are a great team with a great history, but not every team can spend 200 million a year. I don't hate the yankees at all but i do hate fans that think only there team/players is/are amazing. Hoffman had a great career, HOF actually and he blew a game in the world series. Wasn't it Rivera who blew game 4 of the 2004 ALCS vs Boston. Even greats can not be perfect and yes they are both greats but Rivera>Hoffman. So quit trying to belittle Hoffman just because at the present he has more saves than Rivera and never played for the Yankees. Just respect the man for how great he was.Comment -
so you're saying if rivera played for some bum-**** team all his saves would be meaningless?Comment -
what do you mean bum team. were they or were they not in the 98 world series. did he or did he not spit the bit in his one meaningful MLB appearanceOriginally posted by GUMMO77Comment -
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yep def a yankee fan great fans but dont know shit about the game gl!Comment -
Yep, Ask Mariano Rivera if he has seen Craig Counsell lately? Loved Mariano's performance against the Diamondbacks.Comment -
pal i have forgotten more about sports than you will ever know in you're life.Originally posted by CrashComment -
Brx.... I am not sure how you can judge Hoffman on one game over the course of his career.Originally posted by brxbmbers42
Should Mariano be judged by that moronic throw he made in Game 7 against the DBacks and that blown save?
Hoffman played on some really really bad teams, and still managed to save games. If you put Hoffman on the Yankees--- do you really think he wouldn't have done what Rivera has?
Their career ERAs are pretty close, Rivera is at 2.33, and Hoffman is at 2.57. Not shabby for either of them.Comment -
These guys play to win it all. Guarantee you ask any of them and they will tell you the couple playoff appearances they have had mean way more than the 100s or 1000 regular season appearances. I'm just judging him on his meaningful appearances.Comment -
Hoffman will be in the H.O.F.
He actually had 601 saves not 603
He also didn't have 1 meaningful appearance, he pitched 13 innings in the postseason those are all meaningful.
I agree rivera is better, but hoffman is no "fraud"!Comment -
Hoffman would of been better off never making it to postseason play.
Then would just be judged on reg season. All time greatComment -
Originally posted by brxbmbers42
I say BS, they play for their millions first of all, maybe after you have your 1st 50 Million , then you care about winning the WS. It's just a business both ways. I doubt a Manny Ramirez cares about a ring, others want it more than anything.
All will say they want the ring above all else....but they are liars. None would choose one year only ( rookie year only) for the ring , then miss out on the 50 M + career just so they got a ring when they were 23 and then blew out their arm, knee, etc.
Plenty of players don't care about winning championships in all sports.Comment -
guy of course they play for the money first. almost every one of them would trade a championship for a couple million. my point was after the money. leaving the money out of it.Originally posted by DougComment -
I think Lee Smith should go in the HOF before Hoffman.
Lee Smith was a dominant closer in his prime.....He is overdue.Comment
