Pinnacle goes to -104 for football

**Mudcat** · 08-31-05, 10:14 AM

Exactly. Everything starts with Pinnacle. My life would be a lot more difficult without them.

Sometimes I feel like I should be doing something special for them in return. Does anyone have a list of all their employees birthdays so I can send them cards or something? It seems like the least I can do.

**Senator7** · 08-31-05, 10:32 AM

They can do that because they make a ton of money no matter the juice. They could go to -101 on football and make a profit. They have some of the tighest lines anywhere and they have a ton of people betting there because everyone knows that Pinnacle is the best. Going to -104 will only reaffirm that and cause even more people to lose money to them. Its a pretty smart move on Pinnacle's part.

Senator 7

**Clip Joint** · 08-31-05, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by Senator7

They can do that because they make a ton of money no matter the juice. They could go to -101 on football and make a profit. They have some of the tighest lines anywhere and they have a ton of people betting there because everyone knows that Pinnacle is the best. Going to -104 will only reaffirm that and cause even more people to lose money to them. Its a pretty smart move on Pinnacle's part.

Senator 7

They do have the sharpest lines...but they also have the sharpest clientelle. Obviously volume allows them to offer reduced juice...but -104 is amazing. To say that they could make money at -101 is a stretch as their hold percentage is already pretty low. It is the critical mass/volume that allows these offers, but -104 just reinforces how sharp these guys are if they can still turn a profit.

**Ganchrow** · 08-31-05, 11:18 AM

I can't pretend to have any inside information on the Pinnacle business model, but my suspicion is that they make most of their money by taking positions. Because they offer such tight markets not only do they see a tremendous amount of action from sharp players but also are able to identify just who those sharp players are. This would then make it easy Pinnacle to take on positions which mimic those of the sharpest players.

**jjgold** · 08-31-05, 11:22 AM

I do not know how other books are in business anymore or at least after the first 25 books or so.

No books can compete with them

**bookie** · 08-31-05, 11:43 AM

Well it is only on NFL sides...it's still fantastic but these are the easiest lines to set and have the fewest volatile moves.

**Bill Dozer** · 08-31-05, 12:08 PM

I can't pretend to have any inside information on the Pinnacle business model, but my suspicion is that they make most of their money by taking positions. Because they offer such tight markets not only do they see a tremendous amount of action from sharp players but also are able to identify just who those sharp players are. This would then make it easy Pinnacle to take on positions which mimic those of the sharpest players.

I think you summed it up. In fact, many books make their money this way. It's not always about getting even action on each side and keeping the vig. It's about beating everyone else to the number. The sooner you get it the more money you will make. Pinnacle often gets to the position first in American sports.

**pags11** · 08-31-05, 03:53 PM

outstanding...

**jjgold** · 08-31-05, 03:55 PM

I do not see -104 on both sides??

**Illusion** · 08-31-05, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

I do not see -104 on both sides??

Are you even looking at the same site?

I can see -104 clear as day.

**jentude** · 08-31-05, 04:54 PM

has anyone ever used the instadebit at pinnacle?

**jjgold** · 08-31-05, 05:14 PM

Jent I never tried it and just stick to the basic deposit method Neteller

I just do not trust most others

**jjgold** · 08-31-05, 05:16 PM

Illusion I see many NFL games that are not -104 on both sides

**Illusion** · 08-31-05, 05:41 PM

Every week one game has an eight cent line jj.

**jjgold** · 08-31-05, 05:47 PM

When I see a book say we now have -104 I should see both sides at -104 on every game

Why advertise -104 when many games are not -104?

**Illusion** · 08-31-05, 05:56 PM

New! -104 style pricing on NFL sides!

Note the word style, in other words eight cent lines.

**jjgold** · 08-31-05, 05:58 PM

Illusion that was tricky and deceptive

I downgraded them because of this to an A-

Good Luck Guy

**square** · 08-31-05, 06:14 PM

Well you have done it again Pinny.

My very good friend for many years and may I say there is NO ONE quite like him , "Top-Shelf", HONESTY , INTEGRITY, an MODEL for every shop!

**Bill Dozer** · 08-31-05, 06:16 PM

New! -104 style pricing on NFL sides!
NETeller transaction limits increased to $50,000

It looks like they will make sure Mansion doesn't offer anything they don't have. Man recently raised Neteller limits to $50k and has prices at about -104 (before fees). That's why players should root for Mansion. Competition is a good thing.

**jjgold** · 09-01-05, 06:17 AM

Mansion is not in Pinny's category

I have Mansion at a C right now

**square** · 09-01-05, 01:16 PM

not even in the SAME league are they !

**jjgold** · 09-01-05, 01:41 PM

99% of players do no post up over 50K at Neteller

**square** · 09-01-05, 02:20 PM

don't get me wrong Bill I am with you buddy ....

"Competition is a good thing" by all means.

**jjgold** · 09-01-05, 03:53 PM

Pinacle has approx 14% of the market right now

**Bill Dozer** · 09-01-05, 06:33 PM

Originally posted by square

not even in the SAME league are they !

I expected that response and had mine prewritten.

Anytime another shop is taking those kind of limits they are going to affect the market.

**jjgold** · 09-01-05, 06:37 PM

I wonder what Mansions volume is compared to Pinnacle?

**tacomax** · 09-01-05, 06:40 PM

Originally posted by Bill Dozer

That's why players should root for Mansion. Competition is a good thing.

I'm loving Mansion at the moment - my only concern is the financial stability of the company.

Are they really financed by a multi-billionaire? Are players funds really ring-fenced? Or, to put it simply, are we looking at a future Betfair or a future Sporting Options?

**square** · 09-01-05, 08:18 PM

good man

Originally posted by Bill Dozer

I expected that response and had mine prewritten.

Anytime another shop is taking those kind of limits they are going to affect the market.

keep that pencil sharp Bill lov u man !

sq

**HAPPY BOY** · 09-01-05, 08:25 PM

First Half Wagering ??

does anyone hear bet first half lines on football???? I did real well 2yrs ago with this type of betting. Anybody have an opinion on this type of wager pro or con? I just hit taking s. carolina (- 12 1/2)

**HAPPY BOY** · 09-01-05, 08:30 PM

also I asked about Paid sports handicapping services I.E Jim hurley, Wayne root etc anybody use these guys or any of these touts?

**jjgold** · 09-01-05, 08:52 PM

Happy Boy I would not pay for any services

All lose in long run

**Illusion** · 09-01-05, 09:46 PM

Yes HB, stay away from the touts. You'll get plenty of free info right here at SBR.

**pags11** · 09-02-05, 03:06 AM

great info. here...