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  • Austin103
    SBR MVP
    • 08-19-10
    • 1407

    #1
    Texans hire Wade Phillips as DC.
    The Houston Texans have hired former Dallas Cowboys coach Wade Phillips as defensive coordinator.


    Great move by Houston.
  • Doc JS
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    • 09-15-06
    • 6885

    #2
    Originally posted by Austin103
    Because Dallas was so fvcking great on defense this year???

    Doc
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    • Austin103
      SBR MVP
      • 08-19-10
      • 1407

      #3
      Originally posted by Doc JS
      Because Dallas was so fvcking great on defense this year???

      Doc
      No, not necessarily, Wade is a defensive minded, and I think he will turn out good for Houston, 100% of his focus on defense.
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      • triqy
        SBR Wise Guy
        • 11-19-09
        • 800

        #4
        The biggest difference is that Wade will be implementing his 3-4 defense. The texans have been a 4-3 for the last 6 years. They will probably be moving Connor Barwin as a linebacker in the new scheme. The new LB in this scheme will be Connor Barwin who was injured for the season in the 1st game of the season.

        The biggest question about this new scheme will be what they will do with Mario Williams, who is undoubtbly not a fit for 3-4 scheme. Many questions still about the move, which isnt an easy one by any means. Also, if there is a labor lockout for some of the offseaon, it will impact time to work with the defense on getting the new defense up to par for the regular season opener.
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        • Austin103
          SBR MVP
          • 08-19-10
          • 1407

          #5
          Originally posted by triqy
          The biggest difference is that Wade will be implementing his 3-4 defense. The texans have been a 4-3 for the last 6 years. They will probably be moving Connor Barwin as a linebacker in the new scheme. The new LB in this scheme will be Connor Barwin who was injured for the season in the 1st game of the season.

          The biggest question about this new scheme will be what they will do with Mario Williams, who is undoubtbly not a fit for 3-4 scheme. Many questions still about the move, which isnt an easy one by any means. Also, if there is a labor lockout for some of the offseaon, it will impact time to work with the defense on getting the new defense up to par for the regular season opener.
          Great post.
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          • ttrace35
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            • 09-30-10
            • 10828

            #6
            Kubiak should have been fired. The upcoming labor agreement issues saved a lot of head coaching jobs.
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            • Doc JS
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              • 09-15-06
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              #7
              Originally posted by triqy

              The biggest question about this new scheme will be what they will do with Mario Williams, who is undoubtbly not a fit for 3-4 scheme. Many questions still about the move, which isnt an easy one by any means.
              I agree with this...anytime you go changing defensive schemes that marginalizes one of your best players, I think is very risky...

              Doc
              Last edited by Doc JS; 01-05-11, 07:37 PM.
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              • Doc JS
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                • 09-15-06
                • 6885

                #8
                Originally posted by ttrace35
                Kubiak should have been fired. The upcoming labor agreement issues saved a lot of head coaching jobs.
                FACT!

                Doc
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                • triqy
                  SBR Wise Guy
                  • 11-19-09
                  • 800

                  #9
                  Originally posted by ttrace35
                  Kubiak should have been fired. The upcoming labor agreement issues saved a lot of head coaching jobs.
                  Marvin Lewis is the best example for this.
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                  • triqy
                    SBR Wise Guy
                    • 11-19-09
                    • 800

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Doc JS
                    I agree with this...anytime you go changing defensive schemes that marginalizes one of your best players, I think is very risky...

                    Doc
                    At this point the Texans need to find a solid and true nose tackle. Amobi Okoye will not cut it by any means. He can be utilized on 4 down linemen pass situations, but not as an every down nose guard.

                    3-4 = 3 down linemen (Williams, Nose tackle (draft or free agency), and Antonio Smith)
                    4 Linebackers (Barwin, Ryans, Cushing, and Daryl Sharpton)
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                    • Skidcom
                      SBR MVP
                      • 11-17-06
                      • 1796

                      #11
                      I support this hiring
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                      • beerman2619
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 12-24-09
                        • 7752

                        #12
                        Wade Phillips good luck. Course with the Texans defense this year i guess it can't get much worse.
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                        • slacker00
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                          • 10-06-05
                          • 12262

                          #13
                          This is a great move by both. Phillips goes back to his own stomping grounds where he cut his teeth, Houston. Phillips has always been a top level DC even if his jobs as HC left something lacking. Phillips is technically a 3-4 guy, but it's not as genetic with Phillips as with the Parcells school or other 3-4 gurus, it's more of a hybrid. He'll be able to work with the talent that the Texans have without that much trouble. Houston can't do any worse on defense. This is a huge upgrade.
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                          • diesel77004
                            SBR Sharp
                            • 12-30-10
                            • 277

                            #14
                            GREAT ~ now Houston has TWO pu$$ie$ as coaches
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                            • Austin103
                              SBR MVP
                              • 08-19-10
                              • 1407

                              #15
                              Wade is a good defensive mind, defense will be improved next season.
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                              • diesel77004
                                SBR Sharp
                                • 12-30-10
                                • 277

                                #16
                                it would be hard to get any worse
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                                • Lumpy81
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                                  • 10-10-09
                                  • 168

                                  #17
                                  doesnt make any sense. Houston is going downhill
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                                  • Roadtrip635
                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                    • 12-07-10
                                    • 6129

                                    #18
                                    It will be another lost season for the Texans trying to transition to the new 34. They needed upgrades in many positions on defense already but now it's almost like starting from scratch. This is gonna be a rocky transition at best, how much more patient can the fans and organization be?
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                                    • mlb
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 12-04-09
                                      • 10509

                                      #19
                                      why is this a good hire?
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                                      • mlb
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                                        • 12-04-09
                                        • 10509

                                        #20
                                        more ego, more politics and more lack of discipline in an already questioning situation ... awesome
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                                        • Glitch
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 07-08-09
                                          • 11795

                                          #21
                                          i like it...this is what hes good at. this what he should be focusing on for sure....plus hes bum phillips' son...houston.
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                                          • sweethook
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                                            • 11-21-07
                                            • 12667

                                            #22
                                            to help beat dallas cowboys
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                                            • yurnero
                                              SBR High Roller
                                              • 12-02-10
                                              • 215

                                              #23
                                              kubiak is good on offense so this was a great move imo
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                                              • McBa1n
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 01-02-06
                                                • 2642

                                                #24
                                                It's a fantastic move, IMO. Wade is an outstanding coordinator (playing like he has nothing to lose) vs him bein a head coach - amongst the worst the NFL has ever seen. I'd take Ray Handley or Rich Kotite over his ass. Hell, Les Steckel is a HOF compared to Wade as a head coach. Again, most NFL People have KNOWN this for a decade+.

                                                Houston does NOT have 3-4 personel at all - But I about figure, they have no D, either.
                                                Cushing is easily the worst defensive 'rookie of the year' in the modern era - but he could be decent as an ILB/OLB in a 3-4. The problem the Texans will run into is what to do with Mario Williams. He'd be a strong DE in a 3-4, but he's not nearly athletic enough to play OLB. Houston's personel is not good enough to run a 3-4 at all... I'd say give them time, but, IMO, their time is next year. Wade is a terrible hire, unless he adopts a more traditional defense, which I don't think he can, unless he runs the flex D... Which is horribly dated, for obvious reasons.

                                                I'm glad I contridicted myself. Personally, I think Wade is trash unless he isn't the head coach. He's got an impossibly tall order with what he has in Houston... It could take 2-3 years for them.
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                                                • will2survive
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                                                  • 11-26-09
                                                  • 8106

                                                  #25
                                                  Wade Phillips is an absloute shmuck
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                                                  • jjgold
                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                    • 07-20-05
                                                    • 388185

                                                    #26
                                                    Houston will always be a 8-8 type team
                                                    Average QB
                                                    Average D
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                                                    • GunShard
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                                                      • 03-05-10
                                                      • 10029

                                                      #27
                                                      Sounds good.
                                                      It would be nice to see the Texans make it to the playoffs one day.
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                                                      • patswin
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 09-05-06
                                                        • 1794

                                                        #28
                                                        good hire by Houston, he will turn that defense around
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                                                        • slacker00
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                                                          • 10-06-05
                                                          • 12262

                                                          #29
                                                          The last time Wade was DC in Houston, they went to back to back conference championships.
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                                                          • Gilly86
                                                            SBR High Roller
                                                            • 12-22-10
                                                            • 229

                                                            #30
                                                            Great hire. I can't see a first year dom capers-to-the-packers transformation, but within a couple years they will be extremely solid
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                                                            • TexansFan
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                                                              • 09-06-06
                                                              • 3365

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by slacker00
                                                              The last time Wade was DC in Houston, they went to back to back conference championships.
                                                              Wade was never a defensive coordinator in Houston. I grew up watching those Oiler teams. The defensive coordinator for the Oilers when they played the Steelers in the the AFC title game in 78 and 79 was Ed Biles.

                                                              Phillips was a defensive line coach for those years with the Oilers.
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                                                              • darrell74
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                                                                • 04-16-07
                                                                • 14648

                                                                #32
                                                                Still, it should be considered a step in the right direction, to say the least.

                                                                At the same time, I'm not "crowning" the Texans to have the #1 defense next year.
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                                                                • TexansFan
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 09-06-06
                                                                  • 3365

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by darrell74
                                                                  Still, it should be considered a step in the right direction, to say the least.

                                                                  At the same time, I'm not "crowning" the Texans to have the #1 defense next year.

                                                                  Time will tell obviously. I know the natives are getting restless here. I'm still of the opinion that Kubiak is a better coordinator that head coach, but then again I don't own the team so my opinion means nothing.

                                                                  I believe the defense will improve, as more than a few posters have mentioned, it would be difficult not to really. I will say that Wade has had success as a defensive coordinator, so that brings some hope.

                                                                  One problem that the Texans have always had is they try and build their team through the draft. While obviously you need those good players you draft, you also need from time to time so good free agents to come in and help. McNair is one of the richest owners out there, hell, the Texans are in the top 10 of any franchise in sports when it comes to being worth the most money.

                                                                  I'm not saying McNair should turn into Dan Synder, but his reluctance to pay free agents has hurt his team imo.
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                                                                  • BetterBizness
                                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                    • 05-20-06
                                                                    • 5737

                                                                    #34
                                                                    He will "fix it", cuz that's what Mr. Fix it does...
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