You Decide: Truth? or Scam?

[ChuteBoxe]

The creator of this site (http://www.lasvegasincome.com/) is linked on many sites, and I've seen him in reputable gambling magazines. He also does private 1 on 1 BlackJack seminars across the world, and I found this on his site. Him and both of his sites seem somewhat legit, but I can't seem to tell. The one I really want to know about is...

http://www.seriousblackjack.com/

They both look like your typical infomercial type site, which is what honestly got me nervous. But, from a business perspective, if you're good at cards, and have no clue about computers, a site like this can be made for a couple grand so that really isn't a solid arguement against it for me. So, has there been anyone that actually bought it, read something about it, friend or family bought it? or possibly know this guy personally?

[Kellen]

I looked over the site. Im not sold on it. I cant imagine what sort of system he is using that doesnt involve counting cards. Seems risky to me. I tell you what though, Ive got a buddy that will buy shit like this all day long. I bet I can get him to buy it and see how it works. I'll talk to him later today and keep you updated.

[ChuteBoxe]

Sounds good. Let me know bud.

[Justin7]

I'm skeptical.

The owner claims that he wins 8 out of 10 sessions. This suggests he is using a martingale system. I don't know of any legitimate rational system that will win this often.

If he is mixing progressive betting with counting, he's an idiot.

[BrentCrude]

Watch out so you don't get suckered into buying the Wink Martindale blackjack system instead of the Martingale system.Wasn't Wink's only charted hit,The deck of cards??

[curious]

I'm skeptical.

The owner claims that he wins 8 out of 10 sessions. This suggests he is using a martingale system. I don't know of any legitimate rational system that will win this often.

If he is mixing progressive betting with counting, he's an idiot.

Well, I have been playing Blackjack for 20 years. I made a good living at it for several years. I don't care what system you use, the variance in blackjack is so large that the majority of your sessions are either going to be losers or break even. You win in blackjack by getting that one hot session where the count stays in orbit and you size your bets with the count. Most of the time the count sucks.

A Martingale in blackjack? Total insanity. You can easily lose 20-30 hands in a row. You'll hit table limit way before that winning hand comes along.

People who are really good at Blackjack don't just count cards. They use hole card peeking, Ace steering, shuffle tracking, and card counting, among other techniques. Even using every tactic I am aware of, there is no way you could have 8 winning sessions out of 10.

What about a positive progression (Martingale being a negative progression?). That won't work either. Yes, you will have sessions where you absolutely kill the casino. I have done it. You will also have many more sessions where you lose. A positive progression only works when you are consistently winning large numbers of hands in a row. When the wins are choppy, say win 2 hands lose, win 3 hands lose, etc., flat betting works better. Of course, betting with the count works best.

What about two hand Wonging? It is an interesting concept. A variation of Wonging. Wonging says you only stay at a table during positive or neutral counts, when the count turns negative you "Wong" out of the table (leave). I have done this and you end up running all over the casino all night long pissing off EVERYONE in the casino. The dealers hate you, the other players hate you, and the pit bosses know exactly what you are doing. Also, you spend so much time running around and backcounting tables that you actually play about 50% of the time. Of course, you won't know if the table you just left then immediately had the count turn around and become a positive count.

Two hand Wonging is better I think. It works like this, when the count is negative or neutral you play one hand of table minimum. When the count is positive you play two hands of (your betting unit x count x 1.33) / 2. When you play two hands in blackjack you can increase the bet size 33% without increasing the risk. That is why you use the 1.33 multiplier. When the count goes back to neutral or negative you drop back to one hand of table minimum. Of course everyone at the table will hate you and will do everything in their power to make sure you can't keep switching from one to two hands. Blackjack players are VERY superstitious and they believe this nonsense that how one player plays can "ruin" the table. So, the only way you can do two hand Wonging is to sit at third base and play the next to last spot when playing one hand and adding the last spot when playing two hands. Or you can do the same at first base using the second spot for one hand and adding the first spot for two hands. The dealer can ask you to give up your open spot if the table is full and someone wants to sit down to play so you have to tip good if you want to do this for any length of time.

Even knowing all these tactics I came to the conclusion that the amount of effort that one needs to put into blackjack can yield a better reward put into their career. Mainly because the game conditions are so bad now with multiple deck shoes and bad penetration.

Winning 8 sessions out of every 10? I don't believe it.

[ChuteBoxe]

Great info so far guys, didn't even pick up on the 8/10 ratio. Also, great writeup Curious, I appreciate it. I did notice that the computer version of his 'system' does not involve counting, but now I'm curious if it's definitely a martingale.