I'm never on the right side of the Fix

EmpireMaker · 12-22-10, 11:18 PM

I thought you were going to say you took the over

Cuse0323 · 12-22-10, 11:20 PM

Well at least a Boise backer recognizes it.

pavyracer · 12-22-10, 11:20 PM

You think the refs fixed a 2nd half bet?

statnerds · 12-23-10, 07:27 AM

First off, there is no such thing as a Fix. Second, I had Utah +17 for the game, so I had to find a spot to sell that position off and at least drink juice or B/E. The only Live Bet I had a shot at was 14.5 -155. So that 8 was actually a bad play that I got lucky on.

Just saying, penalties were 10-3. Just saying 2 of those penalties took away TDs by Utah. Okay, so one was only a catch down to the BSU 3 yard line. And then even late in the game when it 23-3 and Utah was driving, they hit them with a flag for some ticky-tack call when they ran the ball inside the 20 for first down. The officiating was horrendous in that game. But my bad 2nd H play definitely benefited from it.

The refs took away at least 10, Utah dropped a TD pass for 7 and missed 2 FGs. Coulda, shoulda, woulda put least 20 points on the board.

Regul8er · 12-23-10, 08:42 AM

What happened on the TD that ws taken away??

I was in the casino, saw the TD pass....watched for about 15 seconds after, no signs of a flag or anything. I come back 5 mins later, and it was 23-3 again, and Boise had the ball. Can anyone elaborate?

firehoyt · 12-23-10, 08:51 AM

There was a holding call on the center. It was the right call but wasn't that bad of a hold.

Powderguy · 12-23-10, 08:53 AM

Game was a snoozefest

Regul8er · 12-23-10, 08:56 AM

The flag must have been tossed very late, or ESPN was VERY late getting the graphic up.

cadillac pete · 12-23-10, 08:56 AM

Utah was their own worse enemy. Penalties, turnovers, missed fg's. Boise was just not the same Boise. Which I thought would be the case. I had +17 on the Utes but too many varibles occured that stopped it from cashing.

jennahazeplays · 12-23-10, 08:57 AM

happens to all of us my man? its a grind

ehp6737 · 12-23-10, 09:03 AM

I don't beliveve in a "fix" at that high a level of sport. But, last night something fishy was going on. Essentially 2 Utah TD's taken off the board (In the 1st quarter that late flag for the phantom "illegal shift" erased a catch down at the Boise 4 yd line and in the second half a TD taken off the board. I turned the game off early in the 4th when they thru a flag at the line of scrimmage in a spot where 90% of the time it's called offensive holding. Instead they called defensive holding on Utah. How can a defensive lineman who's rushing the QB get called for holding at the line of scrimmage? Haven't seen that call all year, if not ever. Or when the Utah kick returner has a good return on a kickoff back to midfield and was crushed by a Boise player atleast 5 yards out of bounds. The one official did correctly throw the flag, then all the officials have a 2 min discussion and decide to pick up the flag. How often do you see officials pick up a flag....it happens, but rarely. How often do you see them pick up a flag on a personal foul? NEVER! especially this year with all the emphasis on player safety and concussions and condeming helmet to helmet. Just a lot of late and/or unnecessary calls on Utah and the game just had a weird feel to it from the get go. If you won on Boise please make sure you send the refs their cut.

pavyracer · 12-23-10, 09:10 AM

If there was a fix then why did they take away one of Boise's TD's for a touchback?

Usually when there is a fix the game is not even close. Like if Boise St won 56-3 it could have been a fix by the refs to ensure there was not even a .1% chance for Utah to cover.

sam in so cal · 12-23-10, 10:33 AM

Originally posted by ehp6737

Or when the Utah kick returner has a good return on a kickoff back to midfield and was crushed by a Boise player at least 5 yards out of bounds. The one official did correctly throw the flag, then all the officials have a 2 min discussion and decide to pick up the flag. How often do you see officials pick up a flag....it happens, but rarely. How often do you see them pick up a flag on a personal foul? NEVER! especially this year with all the emphasis on player safety and concussions and condemning helmet to helmet.

go back and watch that play. the ref with the bad hair color job that was calling the penalties against Utah walked over the the ref that threw the personal foul flag and said "ARE YOU SURE???" you can read his lips as plain as day.

not to be outdone, Smithson for Utah had 3 or more passes that he deflected down to the ground - not drops but passes he intentionally made fall. i have no doubt whatsoever that he was in on the fix.

as for the calls that went against Boise State, that was an attempt to deflect attention off the blatantly obvious disparity in calls.

it was my smallest play of the early bowl season, and i have no problem that i lost. it's a part of betting - especially on armature athletics, but call it what it is.

it was absolutely a fix.

G's pks · 12-23-10, 10:35 AM

do you ever post anything besides losers before the fact?

G's pks · 12-23-10, 10:37 AM

http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-talk/850000-my-official-fade-statnerds-thead.html

sam in so cal · 12-23-10, 10:39 AM

Originally posted by ehp6737

I don't beliveve in a "fix" at that high a level of sport. But, last night something fishy was going on.

"that high level of sport??????????"

wednesday night college football in las vegas doesn't fit that description.

that was EXACTLY the right circumstances for a fix.

there's enough action that decent wagering won't raise any eyebrows. there's accessible wagering at dozens and dozens of venues within a 10 minute cab ride. there's virtually no overisght with regard to the refs - who's holding these guys accountable??? both temas played to a style that made "controlling" the action on the field feasible. had the refs not throttled Utah early, it could have gotten away quick.

G's pks · 12-23-10, 10:40 AM

my favorite...calling a game over ten minutes in and of course you know what happened!

http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-talk/854798-what-do-now-beef-o-bradys-bowl-over.html

SportsMushroom · 12-23-10, 10:43 AM

the game did not live up ot expectations

SBR_John · 12-23-10, 11:27 AM

What about Utah running the clock out at the end of the game???? They had all 3 of their timeouts too. I think its horsechit to just surrender like that especially in a bowl game.

louis.ana · 12-23-10, 11:41 AM

Utah was against the grain last night.. way too questionable calls by the refs.
The refs controlled the game

Kaabee · 12-23-10, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by pavyracer

If there was a fix then why did they take away one of Boise's TD's for a touchback? Usually when there is a fix the game is not even close. Like if Boise St won 56-3 it could have been a fix by the refs to ensure there was not even a .1% chance for Utah to cover.

they also lost a TD on the foot out of bounds call that was reviewed

pavyracer · 12-23-10, 11:52 AM

Originally posted by Kaabee

they also lost a TD on the foot out of bounds call that was reviewed

yes it was a marginal call too.

The point is if the refs were on the fix they should have reversed those two calls and give Boise St TD's and call it a game early.

ronjon619 · 12-23-10, 12:05 PM

Originally posted by firehoyt

There was a holding call on the center. It was the right call but wasn't that bad of a hold.

he tackled the nose guard in open space, that will be called every time.

officepoolguy · 12-23-10, 01:24 PM

Start betting the underdogs...favorites are 5-0..Vegas will get even.

blackbart · 12-23-10, 01:51 PM

awfully funny game, booze dominated and utah should have covered.

Grits n' Gravy · 12-23-10, 01:59 PM

no fix. utah just wasn't that good. and shaky smithson has been dropping passes all season, including their wins where they covered.

newguy · 12-23-10, 02:11 PM

I watched most of the game and had a sizeable bet on Utah. I don't know about the refs, but the Utah offense DEFINITELY was trying to lose the game. I have never seen so many easy catches flat out dropped. Even kick returns where the return man would run into his own guy and fall. That stuff happens sometimes, but not at the clip it happened last night - I don't care what anyone says - that game was not two teams doing anything they could to win.

ehp6737 · 12-24-10, 07:55 AM

Originally posted by sam in so cal

"that high level of sport??????????"

wednesday night college football in las vegas doesn't fit that description.

that was EXACTLY the right circumstances for a fix.

there's enough action that decent wagering won't raise any eyebrows. there's accessible wagering at dozens and dozens of venues within a 10 minute cab ride. there's virtually no overisght with regard to the refs - who's holding these guys accountable??? both temas played to a style that made "controlling" the action on the field feasible. had the refs not throttled Utah early, it could have gotten away quick.

What are you talking about? You don't think 2 teams ranked in the top 10 all year in college football is "high level of sport"? Really? Who cares it was on a Wed, that just means more people were watching cause it was the only game on that day, right before a holiday with people who can stay up late and watch since they don't have to get up for the work the next day. Not to mention it was a bowl game. And the fact it was 10 min from gambling venues again just puts more scrunity on it. Yes it makes it more convienent to wager on it, not more convienent if you plan on getting away with it. I believe an E Mich/Buffalo game played it a 4pm Sat slot stacked up against 20 other games on the 3rd Sat of the saeson would be a much better fit