Changes to the SBR point system: Effective Feb 15

[SBR_John]

First of all no chance the points program hits the shelf. Secondly, if we did end the program we would redeem all the outstanding points first of course.

[pavyracer]

and i have gone on record to state that i'm okay if that happens, there is obv a difference of emphasis we put on MY pts. (ie: you care about them much more than i do, i don't lose sleep over them)

I think your life would be a lot easier if you stopped stressing out so much over my pts as well. happy holidays.

I think is more fun watching you stressed out from my comments about your points and how you got them so why stop now?

Happy Holidays

[SBR_John]

I propose all thieves get booted , like grumperz and He who shall not be named, lol .

We also offer anyone who has a fraud abuse case, including grumperz, to have any respected poster to hear and decide the case. He wasn't interested. Most of these garden variety fraud cases are very simple. The problem is they tax the staff with investigations and numerous communications to the scammer. Hopefully we can reduce staff time through better policies.

[trixtrix]

you really think you stress me out pavy? okay bro happy trolling

[trixtrix]

We also offer anyone who has a fraud abuse case, including grumperz, to have any respected poster to hear and decide the case. He wasn't interested. Most of these garden variety fraud cases are very simple. The problem is they tax the staff with investigations and numerous communications to the scammer. Hopefully we can reduce staff time through better policies.

hey john, have you scrutinized the case of poster "ace-king", he adds nothing of value to the forum. his last 10 posts have been spent trolling me. the guy has spent 4k sbr pts on personal merchandise such as mousepads, clothes, and a camera. the man begs for loans to purchase these items and is obv just freerolling the system.

additionally, he advocates the books to steal from their players. it's obv his participation is degrading the forum. the man also have a suspicious history of transferring pts between players, this looks to be a fraud case that need to be investigated.

[tdog152]

might have to become a pro

[SBR_John]

hey john, have you scrutinized the case of poster "ace-king", he adds nothing of value to the forum. his last 10 posts have been spent trolling me. the guy has spent 4k sbr pts on personal merchandise such as mousepads, clothes, and a camera. the man begs for loans to purchase these items and is obv just freerolling the system.

additionally, he advocates the books to steal from their players. it's obv his participation is degrading the forum. the man also have a suspicious history of transferring pts between players, this looks to be a fraud case that need to be investigated.

You might truly believe your own opinion but in reality its subjective. If in your opinion Ace-King "adds nothing of value" then you can place him on your "Ignore List" and never again see a word he writes. Click 'Settings' > Edit Ignore List > add his name.

[BigDaddy]

We also offer anyone who has a fraud abuse case, including grumperz, to have any respected poster to hear and decide the case. He wasn't interested. Most of these garden variety fraud cases are very simple. The problem is they tax the staff with investigations and numerous communications to the scammer. Hopefully we can reduce staff time through better policies.

can you unban grumperz for 1 day and let him tell us he doesn't want a respected poster to review his case?

[kiln]

As far as the question on loans; From day 1 we have made it clear that being a lender here carries unusual business risks. Some of the characteristics of that risk is the site will not help you collect loans. We have better things to do than to be bill collectors in black market lending. If we were going to do that we would simply become the lender. Anyway' use interest rates high enough to overcome all the risks associated with this type of lending.

I can't find an instance of a poster in this thread asking SBR to involve itself in the collection of loans. Nowhere do I see that. What I do see are repeated requests, almost exclusively by pros, that a mechanism be put in place where scammers, cheats, and thieves can have point privileges revoked. No one of whom I'm aware is asking you to be a bill collector. We are asking that you help police your own forum.

[SBR_John]

I can't find an instance of a poster in this thread asking SBR to involve itself in the collection of loans. Nowhere do I see that. What I do see are repeated requests, almost exclusively by pros, that a mechanism be put in place where scammers, cheats, and thieves can have point privileges revoked. No one of whom I'm aware is asking you to be a bill collector. We are asking that you help police your own forum.

BigDaddy: no, far too much staff time was wasted on that scammer.

Kilin,
And who do you propose would sit as judge and jury in these loan dispute cases? The answer is the only one with the power to ban; The SBR staff. No, we don't want that role. If we were to assume that role we would simply become the lender.

Its not the answer you and the rest of the lenders want to hear I know. It's no fun to be stiffed and not get help but we do not want to be involved in policing loan disputes, slow pays and all the excuses that go with them.

[aceking]

I think is more fun watching you stressed out from my comments about your points and how you got them so why stop now?

Happy Holidays

who has time for losers like him ?

Happy Holidays

[pavyracer]

kiln has some good points.

Simple measures:

1. Require posters to have a minimum number of posts before they are allowed to use the casino or sportsbook. This helps identify potential ghosts who create accounts for point funneling. Also makes their point history public domain.

2. The rake fee needs to be abandoned. A strict policy of no forum booking needs to be enforced. 1st offense 100 point penalty. 2nd offense 500 pt penalty. 3rd offense bye bye. This puts the burden of booking on bookies and doesn't penalize all the other posters with rake fees.

3. Minimize point transfers for non-pros to 2 pts a day is good. But if a non-pro was to donate a large amount of points for charity he can do so by transferring the points first to a mod and then the points are distributed accordingly. This should be the exception and can only be used occasionally.

[BigDaddy]

BigDaddy: no, far too much staff time was wasted on that scammer.

I understand.

[trixtrix]

who has time for losers like him ?

Happy Holidays

you apparently, since your last 15 posts trolling me, it's actually hilarious to watch.

[SBR_John]

I understand.

If you want to see how the scam was pulled remind me after the first week of Jan. You are welcome to be the arbitrator. We will send you all of the history like this jewel and how the points were stolen and attempted to be laundered. These new rules will prevent this scam and the laundering that goes with them. http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-ta...ml#post3439431

[trixtrix]

You might truly believe your own opinion but in reality its subjective. If in your opinion Ace-King "adds nothing of value" then you can place him on your "Ignore List" and never again see a word he writes. Click 'Settings' > Edit Ignore List > add his name.

it's actually a satirical take on his trolling on me, click on his last 15 post history to get a complete picture.

[BigDaddy]

If you want to see how the scam was pulled remind me after the first week of Jan. You are welcome to be the arbitrator. We will send you all of the history like this jewel and how the points were stolen and attempted to be laundered. These new rules will prevent this scam and the laundering that goes with them. http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-ta...ml#post3439431

i appreciate the offer but i am not qualified to arbitrate.

you could choose someone else though that is more qualified or even a couple of respected posters that way you have more than just 1 opinion.

[zuluhead1``1]

This is super weak. This will most likely drive the newer folks away. Bad move SBR.

[dovlon]

They just want to make money from everyone going pro now

[aceking]

lol, okay ace-king you have more friends than me, as it's obv in this thread everyone supports your fixation on me.

lolol, you began betting in 05 and yet still have to resort to asking for a loan on sbr pts so you can blow it all in pts store, pts you have yet to earn.

good going jackass, i'm sure you will have many happy returns and friendly posters since you adovocate a book to steal their customers winnings.
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you didn't know ? me and Fishead are arbers for last 6 years , we never lose .

unlike cheap cheaters who tried to scam reputable sportsbooks and get burned 5 figures .lol /

[chilidog]

you didn't know ? me and Fishead are arbers for last 6 years , we never lose .

unlike cheap cheaters who tried to scam reputable sportsbooks and get burned 5 figures .lol /

Sounds like somebody has a crush on trixtrix

[ThaddeusB]

you didn't know ? me and Fishead are arbers for last 6 years , we never lose .

unlike cheap cheaters who tried to scam reputable sportsbooks and get burned 5 figures .lol /

LOL, so taking advantage of a bad number by arbing it out makes you a good guy, but taking advantage of a bad policy (allowing any 2 lines to be parlayed) makes Trix a cheater. Got it.

P.S. Reputable books pay winners, they don't change the rules retroactively to void winnings.

[aceking]

LOL, so taking advantage of a bad number by arbing it out makes you a good guy, but taking advantage of a bad policy (allowing any 2 lines to be parlayed) makes Trix a cheater. Got it.

P.S. Reputable books pay winners, they don't change the rules retroactively to void winnings.

you and I knew exactly what he did , 200 sportsbooks and he went to hollywood and wagerweb because their loophole was not closed yet . your Snoopy friend ain't a saint .

[easywinner]

Ban those that are shady on here. I say strip their points and donate them to the Salvation Army or St. Jude's Hospital charity things in the sbr store. Ban their ip address too. The only thing that sucks is that these "scammers" are usually kinda tech savvy and will find a way to sign up again with a different ip and info. I'm even for doing it the Constitutional way since this is America after all. If someone is suspected of stiffing people on loans or corrupt point transfers to "ghost" accounts then pull up the evidence and have a trial vote of 12 randomly picked sbr members based on sign up date. Once convicted give them the permanent boot and ban. What do you think? Seems like a win win for all. The forum gets cleaned up, the charities get some needed donations and ba da bing ba da boom. We could have a trial date once or twice a month and if you get chosen for jury duty you get some sbr points as a reward for deliberating and voting. It doesn't have to take long, just present the evidence, vote, if convicted the person on trial can gtfo forever. That's what i call justice. It's either that or give someone tyrannical rule to police the forum at will or let the status quo continue and thus the criminal activity. That's all I've got. Peace.

[ThaddeusB]

you and I knew exactly what he did , 200 sportsbooks and he went to hollywood and wagerweb because their loophole was not closed yet . your Snoopy friend ain't a saint .

Actually, I believe that back in 2007 the majority of book were sill accepting correlated parlays. Certainly it was more than just those 2 at the very least. And yes, reputable books pay even on obvious errors they make. They might boot the player after they pay, but they do pay.

P.S. Trying to beat books out of money doesn't make you a bad person - everyone here is trying to do the exact same thing, including you.

[70kgman]

2. The rake fee needs to be abandoned. A strict policy of no forum booking needs to be enforced. 1st offense 100 point penalty. 2nd offense 500 pt penalty. 3rd offense bye bye. This puts the burden of booking on bookies and doesn't penalize all the other posters with rake fees.

It is quite convenient to have forum bookies for point bets on wagers not available in the SBR book like 1st half/quarter/ncaab totals/ect... Since I don't see SBR expanding their options in the book any time soon, I would rule against this one.

[OmgUrMom]

Ban those that are shady on here. I say strip their points and donate them to the Salvation Army or St. Jude's Hospital charity things in the sbr store. Ban their ip address too. The only thing that sucks is that these "scammers" are usually kinda tech savvy and will find a way to sign up again with a different ip and info. I'm even for doing it the Constitutional way since this is America after all. If someone is suspected of stiffing people on loans or corrupt point transfers to "ghost" accounts then pull up the evidence and have a trial vote of 12 randomly picked sbr members based on sign up date. Once convicted give them the permanent boot and ban. What do you think? Seems like a win win for all. The forum gets cleaned up, the charities get some needed donations and ba da bing ba da boom. We could have a trial date once or twice a month and if you get chosen for jury duty you get some sbr points as a reward for deliberating and voting. It doesn't have to take long, just present the evidence, vote, if convicted the person on trial can gtfo forever. That's what i call justice. It's either that or give someone tyrannical rule to police the forum at will or let the status quo continue and thus the criminal activity. That's all I've got. Peace.

u should call the fbi man

[easywinner]

u should call the fbi man

No i already called them once before, well actually the DEA on the guy that lived down the street running a meth lab. This is way insignificant in the grand scheme of criminal activity in the world but it's still annoying to members here. I've only been here not even 2 months and it's annoying to me to hear stories of people getting stiffed or scamming the system.

[trixtrix]

LOL, so taking advantage of a bad number by arbing it out makes you a good guy, but taking advantage of a bad policy (allowing any 2 lines to be parlayed) makes Trix a cheater. Got it.

P.S. Reputable books pay winners, they don't change the rules retroactively to void winnings.

thad, it's pointless to argue w/ aceking as he's obv gone off the deep end and require the type of help a non-professional cannot provide, we'll just remind everyone his position next time he asks for a loan, as anyone who is advocating a book to cheat their customers is obv willing to stiff the lender.

[dinaro7]

i totally agree that way posters cant b1tch to sbr that someone owes them pts

[SBR_John]

Actually, I believe that back in 2007 the majority of book were sill accepting correlated parlays. Certainly it was more than just those 2 at the very least. And yes, reputable books pay even on obvious errors they make. They might boot the player after they pay, but they do pay.

P.S. Trying to beat books out of money doesn't make you a bad person - everyone here is trying to do the exact same thing, including you.

Correct.

Keep in mind that SBR's staff was not experienced sportsbook risk managers or fraud detectors. And since this is a free points sportsbook and not a cash generating operation, we can not staff quite as well as we would like. But still no excuses and we have been beaten by guys looking for opportunities that put the odds in their favor. That's why a book needs reasonable limits and a staff that is pouring over the winners list figuring how each player made their score.

[pavyracer]

I knew about the correlated soccer parlays. I never bet them. Also never told anyone they can bet them. But some posters who have $20,000 or more balances at offshore books thought as long as the points book allows them they are fair game. Until they were caught with their pants down.

[trixtrix]

I knew about the correlated soccer parlays. I never bet them. Also never told anyone they can bet them. But some posters who have $20,000 or more balances at offshore books thought as long as the points book allows them they are fair game. Until they were caught with their pants down.

you so smart! did you know about the BP spill also prehand? if so why didn't you warn those poor fishermen?

lol at the my pants down part, you're so cute when you're trolling. you also ignored the fact that i won a net 2k from soccer parlays, but keep trolling this is obv your day job.

lol, you obv knew about the soccer parlays beforehand b/c for your first 50 posts you assumed that i was betting asian handicap/total and even recommended to john to disallow those as that will resolve the soccer parlay problem.

regardless, you got your soccer parlays back and i have my pts, we both have what we wanted so what's the problem?

[ThaddeusB]

Why was this unstickied? I seriously doubt everyone who will care about this change read it within the first 2-3 days.

[tblues2005]

Hey SbrJohn are you planning on putting more lines up for like 1st half lines and 2nd half lines anytime soon. It certainly would be nice.