Where's the Story of the Two Murdered Co-eds? Oh, last weeks news . .

[ritehook]

Oh yeah, it happend last week. Already old news.

But we all know, don't we?, that if the slain women were black and their killers were white this story would have the legs of a giant.

Alas, the media pundits will have to put away their long-winded moralizing for a while: the women were white, and at least one of their killers was black, and likely the other one also

Just another bad day in Gotham, gang. After all, we all know that only whites are guilty of racism. All other crimes, like black on white, are just for boring economic or sexual reasons.

[BadNina]

The Auburn case has been solved. They have arrested a man who then confessed. I think he may have been an ex of the girl. She was buried in Georgia over the weekend and they had a memorial service for her at Auburn on Monday.

The only controversial matter was that whack group that march at all soldier funerals were planning to attend hers as well.

[SBR Lou]

Just another bad day in Gotham, gang. After all, we all know that only whites are guilty of racism. All other crimes, like black on white, are just for boring economic or sexual reasons.

Exactly.

[ritehook]

Bill Cosby is one of the few prominent people who has openly discussed the apparently perpetual problem of crime in black urban areas.

Sure, other ethnic groups once engaged in it out of proportion to their numbers, the Irish, Italians, Jews, etc. They had gangs and were often violent.

And they were discriminated against by the larger community. "Irish and Dogs Not Welcome" were signs that used to appear in New England.

But they all overcame that. What is it with the incredibly high rate of black crime? Generation after genereation?

It is well-known that the high levels of gun violence in America (well, not well-known to pious anti-gun Europeans) is
high mostly in the ghettos. The rate of gun suicide and homicide among whites has remained steady (and low) for a century.

[ritehook]

The Auburn case has been solved. They have arrested a man who then confessed. I think he may have been an ex of the girl. She was buried in Georgia over the weekend and they had a memorial service for her at Auburn on Monday.

The only controversial matter was that whack group that march at all soldier funerals were planning to attend hers as well.

Solving a case never stops the PC moralizing media. The case of the black hitchhiker in Texas who a few years ago was brutally murdered by some white degenerates was pushed into our faces ad nauseum. Right up to and long after the trial.

Black on white crime - far more prevalent than the reverse - pretty much gets a media pass. Because, you see,if it teaches no large moral lessons to the Unwashed, it's hardly as important as "ordinary" crimes.

The lives and deaths of these co-eds is clearly nowhere near as important as that of the Texas hitch-hiker. Ya gotta get with the program.

[SBR Lou]

What is it with the incredibly high rate of black crime? Generation after genereation?

I don't know how to answer this question, but I know how people commonly do. They blame the poverty, and the surrounding conditions. That is so incredibly silly.

There aren't areas rundown with white trailer park trash? Or areas that are actually composed of many whites that are well in the lower class in terms of income levels? I don't think those areas are putting up Bed Stuy numbers.

I think there are many variables involved in it, be they the proliferation of hiphop, social tension, upbringing, whatever the case may be there is an alarming and eye popping number of predominantly black crimes going on in this country, populating the prisons, and involved with gang activity. That is very real and isn't hardly touched on enough due to the fear it'd be pegged as racist or start a race war. It's fact is what it is.

[ritehook]

Anyone remember the Al Sharpton hoax of the '90s?

Ol' Al produced a young black women who had a savage tale of rape. By a rabid gang of whites.

When they'd finished with her they carved or painted racist symbols on her flesh.

Outrageous! Disgusting! Hang the Bastards!

Right. But it was all a fabrication. Tho while it was proceeding, for years if i recall, the media had a field day.

And btw, the Rev Al never apologised for the hoax.

[ritehook]

I don't know how to answer this question, but I know how people commonly do. They blame the poverty, and the surrounding conditions. That is so incredibly silly.

There aren't areas rundown with white trailer park trash? Or areas that are actually composed of many whites that are well in the lower class in terms of income levels? I don't think those areas are putting up Bed Stuy numbers.

I think there are many variables involved in it, be they the proliferation of hiphop, social tension, upbringing, whatever the case may be there is an alarming and eye popping number of predominantly black crimes going on in this country, populating the prisons, and involved with gang activity. That is very real and isn't hardly touched on enough due to the fear it'd be pegged as racist or start a race war. It's fact is what it is.

If a white celeb like Bill Cosby spoke up on this matter, his career would be over.

Cosby is rich enough and old enough not to care. Or rather, he
does care. Cares about his people, and looks to them to solve their own severe problems.

There is a high tolerance for criminal behavior in black urban areas, as Cosby bemoans. There is a code of silence there (celebrated in rap, re "snitches") tht makes the old Sicilian "omerta" look like child's play.

One thing you can absolutely count on. When a "hate crime" (by definition ONLY committed by whites or straights) happens, the very media talking heads who cry the loudest are the ones who are living in the whitest communities.

Horse's mouth stuff.

[BrentCrude]

Where's Teddy Kennedy,Hillary and Obama and the pack of socialists?

Yup,I bring this stuff up all the time.I commented on these murders last week and thought at least one of the girls was murdered because she was a real bleeding heart liberal I think?She was always on missions to Cuba etc.She was very active in student activism and I have been around those types a lot and they yell about hate crimes all the time when white guys do something to a minority.

That said,she ended up being senselessly murdered by a minority.I guess if you come from a liberal family and upbringing,you really can't say it's a hate crime then when a minority killed your daughter.

Hmmm,is there such a thing as a love crime??I think all murders are hate crimes in that no matter what color the perp is and what color the victim is,the victim is dead so what's the difference as to the degree of hate that went into the murder.Once again,the liberals are big into thought crimes and can mind read a persons intent in everything.Why not treat everyone equal and when you find out who kills someone,give them all an equal long term jail sentence??What a novel idea,treat people equally.I thought that was liberal democrats credo????????

Hillary,Ted Kennedy,hairlip Jackson,Sharpton and Obama would be holding candlight marches against white on black racism if this murder was a minority killed by a white guy.The liberal media would be steadily beating the drum of white on minority racism.

True story,I live an hour away from liberal socialist Duluth,Minnesota.It's the San Francisco of the north.A few years ago a black couple had their house totally ransacked.No one knew who did it.The town went balistic holding rallies against racism saying that whites should be ashamed of this crime.It turned out where the couple was drug dealing and ripped someone off and the drug people took revenge looting their house.All the socialist commie libs that were screaming for 2 weeks about racism went back in their holes and didn't say a peep as far as an appology was concerned.Libs like to jump to conclusions!Knee jerk reaction jerks!

[ritehook]

True story,I live an hour away from liberal socialist Duluth,Minnesota.It's the San Francisco of the north.A few years ago a black couple had their house totally ransacked.No one knew who did it.The town went balistic holding rallies against racism saying that whites should be ashamed of this crime.It turned out where the couple was drug dealing and ripped someone off and the drug people took revenge looting their house.All the socialist commie libs that were screaming for 2 weeks about racism went back in their holes and didn't say a peep as far as an appology was concerned.Libs like to jump to conclusions!-brentCrude

These kinds of fabrications have been transpiring for at least a generation, probably more.

Some of the "hangmen's noose" cases have been, if I recall rightly, merely some ambitious or publicity-hound minority who fashioned a noose and left it on thier own desks or homes.

Because they know (a) that the comically slavish PC media will eat it up as a dog eats its own puke, and (b) that if by chance the hoax is discovered the same media will bury the "story" deep on page 190. If they report the attempted scam at all.

[ritehook]

On the other hand the media - network TV mainly - has shown bias against blacks.

Also network news. Take the case of the young woman (name escapes me, fortunately) who dissapeared in Aruba a few years ago, and is almost certainly dead.

I'm told the networks recently did yet another story on this case. That must make, what?, 50 or 80? We were - at the time of the disappearance and suspicion of foul play - treated to nonstop coverage.

Some blacks at the time had told repporters that they tried to get the networks interested in cases where young black women disappeared, or were victims of foul play.

The networks were not interessted. Blondes sell. What Imus refers to as kinky-heads don't. Simple as that. Remember it next time some punk on the tube belches out pious bull manure about a horrible case of "white racism."

And the "who done it" newsmagazine shows, with a constant true story diet of women murdered by husbands or boyfriends. Or sometimes the latter murdered by the woman.

White women. I rarely watch those things, but a friend who does tells me she's never seen one that featured a black woman.

Because the networks know that the main audience for that kind of fare are white, mostly white females. And that audience just couldn't properly "identify" with a black woman who was killed or the killer.

Maybe also they don't want to portray a black husband or bf as a killer.

Wonder what Tom Jefferson would think of the "free press" he pinned such high hopes on, to preserve and strengthen civic virtue and the blessings of liberty?

[BigBollocks]

I don't know how to answer this question, but I know how people commonly do. They blame the poverty, and the surrounding conditions. That is so incredibly silly.

There aren't areas rundown with white trailer park trash? Or areas that are actually composed of many whites that are well in the lower class in terms of income levels? I don't think those areas are putting up Bed Stuy numbers.

I think there are many variables involved in it, be they the proliferation of hiphop, social tension, upbringing, whatever the case may be there is an alarming and eye popping number of predominantly black crimes going on in this country, populating the prisons, and involved with gang activity. That is very real and isn't hardly touched on enough due to the fear it'd be pegged as racist or start a race war. It's fact is what it is.

Crazyl I teach HR courses, and have always said what you mentioned above. Research has always shown that the less income one has, the higher his or her natural propensity is to commit a crime. You bring up an interesting point, but one that will never be studied as the individual conducting the study would be drilled over his intentions in the first place.

It'd be interesting to see the rates of homicide, burglary, etc., amongst racial lines for those on similar economic standing. Some of this data is out there, but a true study would also be able to control so that it's new money vs. new money, longstanding poverty vs. longstanding poverty, etc., in order to control for monied generational differences.

[BigBollocks]

For the record, this girl at Auburn University was 18, and her attacker was believed to be unfamiliar to her. He had also held a little kid at gunpoint just a week before while robbing a parent.

[hoopster42]

the black cop in ohio who killed his gf got tons of play when it first happened

[BigBollocks]

I do believe what is said in this thread is true to a large degree in terms of media coverage. There was a case that really emphasized this point that occurred a little over a year ago.

Two white students from the University of Tennessee were on a date, and carjacked and kidnapped at gunpoint by five African Americans. The male, 23, was sodomized, had his penis cut off (all in front of his girlfriend), and was then taken to the traintracks and shot and set afire. Unfortunately, he had it easier of the two. His girlfriend, 21, was raped in multiple ways, had one of her breasts cut off, and then had bleach poured down her throat to eliminate DNA evidence, all while she was still alive. She was then urinated on, burned to death, cut up, and placed in five separate garbage bags within the residence.

This somehow hardly received any media attention even in the couple's hometown, and is thought by many to highlight the points that a lot of you in this thread are alluding to.

[BigBollocks]

For those wishing to read more about this, here is the Wikipedia link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_...stopher_Newsom

I'll warn you ahead of time that is really sickening to read

[BadNina]

the girl who went missing in Aruba was named Natalee Holloway

[chipski]

Very insightful read here . It seems people are the same as animals , trained and taught to think as they think , feel as they feel . Experiences people have give them opinions , while the opinions may be valid to that person , they do not at all tell the whole story .
The news medias experiences of not having anything to eat and having coachroaches as part of the landscape in their kitchen ? Probably never exposed to living a serious less than existence .
I have been in peoples houses and apts and they had coachroaches crawling everywhere , this was amazing to me .
That people could exist in these kind of conditions ...

So , do the less than (uneducated and without) have a right to rob , steal or kill ?
Almost everyone would say of course not , how does this even happen in a country where they burn money . A counrty that spends 100s of millions on things that dont help anyone on the ground . Space programs , war , list to long probably .

While I know there are serious issues of people using drugs that lead to serious crime , changing a good person into a killer and a thief , no conscious . It still seems the usa could rise up and big changes could be put into effect .

The problem with change not occuring is amazing .
The fact is the jail and prison system is big business .
The court system generates major money and jobs , the probation dept ..... the police , with all the branches .
It is really too much to be able to get a handle on , deeper than deep really . While you think people want things to be better , the people that could put chages into effect are more into letting things go , BIG BUSINESS .

[chipski]

The media in the United states of America ?
Wow ! I would say the media is just like a boxer , they get hit so much its nothing personal .
Numb to true pain that others may feel . They report story after story , they see it all , they hear it all . It is just another story !!!
Color ? We know the color of people involved in a crime or tradegy is just as important to the media as it is to you and I picking the color of our brand new car .

Bottom line , I do not think the usa will ever be fair as a whole and will literally fall way short of true justice as a whole . The race card makes for a good story here , nothing will ever change that . Thinking in fantasy land for just a minute that it may not be like that for generations to come is quite refreshing .
We would have to go back in time and change everything that was ever written to make things right . Only other option would be for civilization to end and start over with a race of 2 people . Those 2 people (adam and eve ) could be of different color , so everything could start with mixed races in color so it would be a normal accepted thing .

We are just stuck !

[ritehook]

The story cited by bb is nauseating, and not all that uncommon Such stories rarely make it onto the national news. Nor do they become morality plays for the masses.

Those crimes are treated as economic or sexual crimes. Were the victims black and the perps white it would become a world-class propaganda play, staged by the folks least qualified to lecture the rest of us about morality - the editors, pundits, and jourmalists of the mass media.

I have noticed that not even the most purblind anti-racists in the American establishment dare to venture into African-American urban ghettos the Saturday night before the welfare checks arrive.

Give Bill Cosby dictatorial powers in these communities for five years and let him start the grand renovation.

Maybe Marcus Garvey was right.

[chipski]

voices from the past

Maybe Marcus Garvey was right.

Not going to pretend I know what Marcus Garvey said but I would guess it is something like different races should not live together ? Right ? What else could it be but that ?

[swede96]

I don't know how to answer this question, but I know how people commonly do. They blame the poverty, and the surrounding conditions. That is so incredibly silly.

There aren't areas rundown with white trailer park trash? Or areas that are actually composed of many whites that are well in the lower class in terms of income levels? I don't think those areas are putting up Bed Stuy numbers.

I think there are many variables involved in it, be they the proliferation of hiphop, social tension, upbringing, whatever the case may be there is an alarming and eye popping number of predominantly black crimes going on in this country, populating the prisons, and involved with gang activity. That is very real and isn't hardly touched on enough due to the fear it'd be pegged as racist or start a race war. It's fact is what it is.

For once, I agree with you 100%.

[HedgeHog]

Disturbing thread on many levels. I agree that black on white crime gets swept under the rug quickly, a type of reverse racism--though I doubt it means much to the girls' families what color the skin of the killers is.

On the other hand, child abductions still favor white kids in terms of media coverage, and the pedophiles that prey on them seem to be predominantly white.

I guess my point is that evil exists in this world, and it's not limited to any one race. "Can't we all get along".

[Sportsgirl]

Oh yeah, it happend last week. Already old news.

But we all know, don't we?, that if the slain women were black and their killers were white this story would have the legs of a giant.

Alas, the media pundits will have to put away their long-winded moralizing for a while: the women were white, and at least one of their killers was black, and likely the other one also

Just another bad day in Gotham, gang. After all, we all know that only whites are guilty of racism. All other crimes, like black on white, are just for boring economic or sexual reasons.

I'm in North Carolina and the story on the UNC girl is at the top of the page ... has been since it happen:

https://www.citizen-times.com

[ritehook]

I'm in North Carolina and the story on the UNC girl is at the top of the page ... has been since it happen:

www.citizen-times.com

A local story is always going to have longer legs. But it disappeared from the national media radar shortly after it happened.

Again, if the reverse were the case the entire country would have their noses rubbed into it ad nauseum.

Just the nature of the beast.

But let me ask you a question, SG. If I lived in your neck of the woods (which btw and as you know has been rated by the magazines that so rate as one of the "10 best" in the land in which to reside) and wrote a letter to your newspaper incorporating the main ideas of the OP, aa well as some of info re the media ignoring the missing or killed black women, would they have printed it?

Race should be openly discussed. As it is now it's left only to minority comics like Cosby and Mason to Speak Truth to
Bullsh-t.

[ritehook]

chipski

Marcus Garvey was an early 20th century black nationalist who advocated that American blacks seek a new life in the homeland from which their ancestors were brutally snatched.

Separatism, in other words. He formed a steamship company which ran afoul of the law and, if I recall rightly, Garvey was ruined and put into prison.

Many blacks of the time think he was railroaded. And when you see a black, like a ball player, with the first name of Marcus, very likely he was named after Garvey.

My comment was tongue-in-cheek. This kind of movement would have little or no chance today. Tho both Abraham Lincoln and Thomas Jefferson believed it would be best if blacks in America could be repatraited to their African homeland.

If it ever happened it would certainly be the most modern and progressive non-white country in Africa.

[Sportsgirl]

A local story is always going to have longer legs. But it disappeared from the national media radar shortly after it happened.

Again, if the reverse were the case the entire country would have their noses rubbed into it ad nauseum.

Just the nature of the beast.

But let me ask you a question, SG. If I lived in your neck of the woods (which btw and as you know has been rated by the magazines that so rate as one of the "10 best" in the land in which to reside) and wrote a letter to your newspaper incorporating the main ideas of the OP, aa well as some of info re the media ignoring the missing or killed black women, would they have printed it?

Race should be openly discussed. As it is now it's left only to minority comics like Cosby and Mason to Speak Truth to
Bullsh-t.

Yes, the paper would print it. Most papers print letters to the editor on all topics and with the advent of the Internet, newspapers can publish even more letter online than can fit in print editions. Also, the Web offers online "comment" sections which broach a multitude of topics by readers and are rarely edited un the language is offensive.
Asheville is a great place to live, although I deeply miss the beach and south Florida, where I grew up. Asheville is actually 6 hours west of Chapel Hill, so, in media lingo, this story isn't exactly local.

[ritehook]

A lot of papers - San Diego Union, for instance - would likely not have pubbed it.

Tho maybe so. As you know, "ya can't beat an editor in his own newspaper." In any case, I don't write letters to papers. This kind of posting in difficult enough. (And most papers want a letter writers' true name and phone number, and with the - uh - controversial topics I sometimes touch upon, I ain't a gonna give 'em that.)

Yeah, your area is highly rated for good living. (Hear that, crazyl, sham, et al?) But I agree, I can't be for very long away from an ocean. Sort of like Sylvia Plath wrote in her jounals, when feeling out of sorts she got herself to a salt water beach, and let the healing begin . . .

[Sportsgirl]

A lot of papers - San Diego Union, for instance - would likely not have pubbed it.

Tho maybe so. As you know, "ya can't beat an editor in his own newspaper." In any case, I don't write letters to papers. This kind of posting in difficult enough. (And most papers want a letter writers' true name and phone number, and with the - uh - controversial topics I sometimes touch upon, I ain't a gonna give 'em that.)

Yeah, your area is highly rated for good living. (Hear that, crazyl, sham, et al?) But I agree, I can't be for very long away from an ocean. Sort of like Sylvia Plath wrote in her jounals, when feeling out of sorts she got herself to a salt water beach, and let the healing begin . . .

Lately, I could sure use a bit of that ...

[ritehook]

Lately, I could sure use a bit of that ...

Let me know when you're in San Diego. Lots of salt water. And more in Baja. Late July and early August is a good time, humidity (such as there is here in this coastal desert) comes mostly last two weeks in August, early Sept.

Late July and early Aug is also when my gf takes her European vacation, LOL.

Bring the lady on your right in the photo you'd posted once. She looks like an old flame. A threesome . . . or invite one of your many admirers.

Oop, wait, I thiink that's the date when the SBR bash will hapen in Vegas. I don't go to Vegas in August. Tho sometimes I'm in Cabo then. LV s but five hours by car from SD, and maybe 1 1/2 hours by air.

En serio, those at the Bash should take a few extra days to get the Vegas sweat and booze out of their system and dry out in San Diego. And go over to TJ to see some nice sportsbooks - physically nice, but a ripoff in that they grab a 3% tax on the win part of a sports bet.

Good mexican beer, tho, and cheap.

[Sportsgirl]

Let me know when you're in San Diego. Lots of salt water. And more in Baja. Late July and early August is a good time, humidity (such as there is here in this coastal desert) comes mostly last two weeks in August, early Sept.

Late July and early Aug is also when my gf takes her European vacation, LOL.

Bring the lady on your right in the photo you'd posted once. She looks like an old flame. A threesome . . . or invite one of your many admirers.

Oop, wait, I thiink that's the date when the SBR bash will hapen in Vegas. I don't go to Vegas in August. Tho sometimes I'm in Cabo then. LV s but five hours by car from SD, and maybe 1 1/2 hours by air.

En serio, those at the Bash should take a few extra days to get the Vegas sweat and booze out of their system and dry out in San Diego. And go over to TJ to see some nice sportsbooks - physically nice, but a ripoff in that they grab a 3% tax on the win part of a sports bet.

Good mexican beer, tho, and cheap.

Was the lady on my right a blond, also?

I've been to San Diego once a long time ago when I took a 3-week tour of California. Point Loma, as I recall, was beautiful. Although, I fell in love with Big Sur.
I'm looking forward to the Bash and hope you find your way there - Ill buy you a Mexcian beer

[ritehook]

Was the lady on my right a blond, also?

I've been to San Diego once a long time ago when I took a 3-week tour of California. Point Loma, as I recall, was beautiful. Although, I fell in love with Big Sur.
I'm looking forward to the Bash and hope you find your way there - Ill buy you a Mexcian beer

SD is IMO the best place to live in Calif. Not as good as it was 25 years ago, or even 10 years ago. but still good. (Everything going to s--t in the USA) Used to be the last low-rent, inexpensive homes area on the Calif coast. Alas, no more, tho foreclosures has knocked a lot of the stuffing out of the RE market

Mild weathr year round. No snow. But if you want it just drive 30 miles east on I-8 in the winter, snow in them thar hills.

Low humidity, usually. Heavily wired. And close to Mexico, tho Baja isn't what is was also years ago. Too much crime, mainly escaladores, burglars, and car thieves. The drug cartels, tho, just like the old Mafia, "mostly kill each other."

Maybe I'll drive up to LV. Tho in August the only living thing that should be there is an egg that wants to be boiled on the sidewalk. Bugsy Siegel was -- bugsy.

Forget which gal, one of those you posted sitting at a bar table. If you drink Mex beer stick to Tecate in a can: lick salt off left backhand, bite into lime, then take a chug. Mexican prole style

GL with Amer Idol.