You need 2 scores-where's the logic?

dfberger23 · 12-10-10, 12:52 AM

I have never seen a coach do this and I don't understand why.

King Mayan · 12-10-10, 12:54 AM

This shit was fixed.. No wonder the line never when up!!!

onetrickpony · 12-10-10, 01:06 AM

it makes u wonder, it was a thursday game, alot of thing dont add up here

THE PROFIT · 12-10-10, 01:12 AM

I know this forum frowns on the "fixed" threads, but anyone who knows better knows that the NFL is fixed. Not every game, because every game doesnt need to be, but some are. Too much money is involved for there not to be, its not a conspiracy theory, its common facts. Tonight was just one of those games. Life goes on

BewareOf5Dimes · 12-10-10, 01:17 AM

You guys are all wrong, as usual. Most coaches kick way too early. Name one fucccking time in NFL history where one of those idiot coaches kicked a field goal early, then got the onsides kick, then scored a touchdown and won the game. You goofs don't even get it.....the announcers don't even get it.

The only realistic shot is to get the TD first. And it always makes sense to go for the TD when you are very close. The only time to kick the field goal is on 4th down or on very rare occasions on 3rd down from 30-40 yards away and maybe 10-15 seconds left.

Fisher did the right thing, and I am glad he did. The moment he kicks the field goal there the odds of his team winning go waaaaaaay down. You guys should wake the hell up.

Rod1010 · 12-10-10, 01:18 AM

game was fixed . nxt time u guys should be on the right side of it. gl ppl

Augustus · 12-10-10, 01:24 AM

The game was fixed. The players from both sides were involved. The Colts got their win and the game ended with 2 point difference. This is a perfect ending to them and the oddsmaker.

stealthyburrito · 12-10-10, 01:25 AM

shit doesn't add up.

fukk the nfl.

onetrickpony · 12-10-10, 01:25 AM

books gonna get killed by sd/kc play im unloading my last grand on sd, hope the colts backers get their money back on this game

BettingGeek · 12-10-10, 01:26 AM

I agree. This game is fixed. Trap of the year, it is.
Time to move on.

milwaukee mike · 12-10-10, 01:35 AM

Originally posted by BewareOf5Dimes

You guys are all wrong, as usual. Most coaches kick way too early. Name one fucccking time in NFL history where one of those idiot coaches kicked a field goal early, then got the onsides kick, then scored a touchdown and won the game. You goofs don't even get it.....the announcers don't even get it.

The only realistic shot is to get the TD first. And it always makes sense to go for the TD when you are very close. The only time to kick the field goal is on 4th down or on very rare occasions on 3rd down from 30-40 yards away and maybe 10-15 seconds left.

Fisher did the right thing, and I am glad he did. The moment he kicks the field goal there the odds of his team winning go waaaaaaay down. You guys should wake the hell up.

really?
so when there was 10 seconds left, if they scored there would've been something like 4 seconds left. there's absolutely no mathematical chance of recovering an onside kick and then running 2 more plays in 4 seconds.
so even though it never works anyway, kicking the field goal is the right decision with 10-20 seconds left and down 2 scores.

QuantumLeap · 12-10-10, 01:35 AM

Originally posted by BewareOf5Dimes

You guys are all wrong, as usual. Most coaches kick way too early. Name one fucccking time in NFL history where one of those idiot coaches kicked a field goal early, then got the onsides kick, then scored a touchdown and won the game. You goofs don't even get it.....the announcers don't even get it.

The only realistic shot is to get the TD first. And it always makes sense to go for the TD when you are very close. The only time to kick the field goal is on 4th down or on very rare occasions on 3rd down from 30-40 yards away and maybe 10-15 seconds left.

Fisher did the right thing, and I am glad he did. The moment he kicks the field goal there the odds of his team winning go waaaaaaay down. You guys should wake the hell up.

I agree with this. The Dolts were playing prevent. Fisher had to think he could get close to getting a TD here. It makes sense that it's easier to get the TD when close to the goal line rather than trying to get it after the onside kick. Once you get the TD it's easier to get the FG after the onside kick.

Fisher misplayed the last series of downs by not conserving the clock.

QuantumLeap · 12-10-10, 01:36 AM

Originally posted by dfberger23

I have never seen a coach do this and I don't understand why.

June Jones of SMU did this last weekend.

stealthyburrito · 12-10-10, 01:38 AM

Originally posted by QuantumLeap

June Jones of SMU did this last weekend.

was he making sure his team covered as well??

36mafia · 12-10-10, 01:41 AM

it takes two to tango

youd think the Colts would use 1 of their 3 timeouts to make adjustments cause clearly the prevent was not working

fix was fuckin in

nyed1010 · 12-10-10, 02:01 AM

Originally posted by BewareOf5Dimes

You guys are all wrong, as usual. Most coaches kick way too early. Name one fucccking time in NFL history where one of those idiot coaches kicked a field goal early, then got the onsides kick, then scored a touchdown and won the game. You goofs don't even get it.....the announcers don't even get it.

The only realistic shot is to get the TD first. And it always makes sense to go for the TD when you are very close. The only time to kick the field goal is on 4th down or on very rare occasions on 3rd down from 30-40 yards away and maybe 10-15 seconds left.

Fisher did the right thing, and I am glad he did. The moment he kicks the field goal there the odds of his team winning go waaaaaaay down. You guys should wake the hell up.

Complete FAIL

I don't think I've ever seen a team NOT kick the field goal in a situation similar to this. I am sure of this as it would be etched into my memory the complete and utter nonsensical coaching job by that team's head coach. It's absolute standard to kick a field goal as whether you score a FG or TD, it's still a 2 possession game and you want to leave as much time on the clock as possible. In this case, there was under a minute left and instead of kicking the field goal, Fisher decides to kill the rest of the clock to score a meaningless touchdown. Not sure which is a bigger fail, Fisher's coaching decision at the end of the game or your post. Again, I must emphasize that kicking the field goal is standard procedure in that type of situation. It happens ALL of the time.

illfuuptn · 12-10-10, 02:06 AM

The books don't need to cheat to beat YOU guys. Good luck with your next loser, losers.

g1212 · 12-10-10, 02:08 AM

Hello. I want to tell you, to any one of you that thinks they fixed that game the following:

You really need to reflect on your life and realize that you just weren't born with a brain. At least a very gifted brain. Look back at all of those betting tickets and your bank accounts. Yes, you do just lose. You aren't cut out for this industry and the books prey on you people. People with pea brains lke yourselves will continue to lose, and I will win. I beg you to call me out. I will accept any challenge and I WILL win. This isn't supposed to be mean. Just please realize this guy coming in here with his "1st post" isn't your random moron. He will actually save you money that some of you folks desperately need. Quit betting on sports. You'll never make a better decision.

BewareOf5Dimes · 12-10-10, 02:58 AM

Originally posted by nyed1010

Complete FAIL

I don't think I've ever seen a team NOT kick the field goal in a situation similar to this. I am sure of this as it would be etched into my memory the complete and utter nonsensical coaching job by that team's head coach. It's absolute standard to kick a field goal as whether you score a FG or TD, it's still a 2 possession game and you want to leave as much time on the clock as possible. In this case, there was under a minute left and instead of kicking the field goal, Fisher decides to kill the rest of the clock to score a meaningless touchdown. Not sure which is a bigger fail, Fisher's coaching decision at the end of the game or your post. Again, I must emphasize that kicking the field goal is standard procedure in that type of situation. It happens ALL of the time.

You don't realize that most coaches are tactical idiots. It was just recently that many of them even thought about going for it in 4th and 1 situations past midfield. They are mostly mindless idiots, like when they call timeout right before a guy is going to kick a 50 yard field goal into the wind. The odds are that the guy is going to miss, and now you are giving him a pracitce shot on a tough kick.

Fisher did the right thing. Scoring a TD against the prevent defense is many times easier than the TD that you would still need IF you made the field goal, recovered the onsides kick, and then needed the TD against a team playing regular defense.

And none of you ever factor in the odds of him missing the field goal. I have seen that happen a few times. It is only about 85 percent chance, on average, unless it is extra point range, and in that case you should go for the TD anyways.

That's why you are all busted. Too stupid to see the math involved.

milwaukee mike · 12-10-10, 10:14 AM

"Too stupid to see the math involved."

that would be true when there was a minute left.
but i was referring to when there is 10-20 seconds left and there is only time for 3 things - one play (field goal or td attempt), onside kick, and one more play

in that case the 1st play HAS to be a field goal so that the last play is a hail mary that either gets a td or defensive pass interference

so your strategy is right with 40 seconds left but with 10-20 seconds left he absolutely HAS to kick the field goal to have any chance

EmpireMaker · 12-10-10, 10:45 AM

Originally posted by milwaukee mike

really?
so when there was 10 seconds left, if they scored there would've been something like 4 seconds left. there's absolutely no mathematical chance of recovering an onside kick and then running 2 more plays in 4 seconds.
so even though it never works anyway, kicking the field goal is the right decision with 10-20 seconds left and down 2 scores.

why even bother spiking the ball at that point there is no way to score kick an extra point kickoff onside kick run 1 play and score a TD or kick a FG no where near enough time

floridagolfer · 12-10-10, 10:52 AM

I see your point, but to say Tennessee played this game with its playoff life on the line is one immense stretch. Those hopes died about a month ago. This wasn't the first game where the head coach was unable to think more than one play ahead, and it won't be the last.

bruceBRUCEbruce · 12-10-10, 10:58 AM

Originally posted by g1212

You aren't cut out for this industry and the books prey on you people. People with pea brains lke yourselves will continue to lose, and I will win. I beg you to call me out. I will accept any challenge and I WILL win.

classic! there are plenty of weekly contests round here. I look forward to seeing your name at the top of each (:chuckles)

wtt0315 · 12-10-10, 11:02 AM

kick the field goal

blackbart · 12-10-10, 11:04 AM

Originally posted by QuantumLeap

I agree with this. The Dolts were playing prevent. Fisher had to think he could get close to getting a TD here. It makes sense that it's easier to get the TD when close to the goal line rather than trying to get it after the onside kick. Once you get the TD it's easier to get the FG after the onside kick.

Fisher misplayed the last series of downs by not conserving the clock.

agree only chance was to make a td, they should have tried to do it faster. no reason to kick whatsoever.

k13 · 12-10-10, 11:04 AM

squares deserve to lose, BTP is full of squares and ghosts.

logic, lol, they covered

rfr3sh · 12-10-10, 11:09 AM

anyone ever realize that jeff fisher is a mediocre coach at best and hasnt won shit his whole career so it is not out of the question that he makes bad calls, or is it that the game was fixed ?

QuantumLeap · 12-10-10, 08:55 PM

Originally posted by blackbart

agree only chance was to make a td, they should have tried to do it faster. no reason to kick whatsoever.

You elaborated better than I did but yes, this is what I meant as well.

brxbmbers42 · 12-10-10, 08:58 PM

kornegay had two knockaround guys waiting in tenny's locker room after the game. Fisher was alerted of this on the final drive.

nyed1010 · 12-10-10, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by BewareOf5Dimes

You don't realize that most coaches are tactical idiots. It was just recently that many of them even thought about going for it in 4th and 1 situations past midfield. They are mostly mindless idiots, like when they call timeout right before a guy is going to kick a 50 yard field goal into the wind. The odds are that the guy is going to miss, and now you are giving him a pracitce shot on a tough kick.

Fisher did the right thing. Scoring a TD against the prevent defense is many times easier than the TD that you would still need IF you made the field goal, recovered the onsides kick, and then needed the TD against a team playing regular defense.

And none of you ever factor in the odds of him missing the field goal. I have seen that happen a few times. It is only about 85 percent chance, on average, unless it is extra point range, and in that case you should go for the TD anyways.

That's why you are all busted. Too stupid to see the math involved.

I'm getting the sense you guys do not have any clue of football strategy whatsoever. Do you guys watch the NFL regularly or any type of football for that matter? If it's anytime under 1:30 or even under 2 minutes(depending on how well the drive is going, obv your not just going to kick the field goal on 1st down when your moving the ball well), you kick the field goal. AGAIN, it's a two possession game no matter if you get FG or TD points on that drive, so you want to give yourself the most amount of time possible because whether you score the FG or TD, you still have to recover the onside kick regardless of the outcome of the current drive. I don't even know why this is even up to debate as the game just showed you EXACTLY WHY you kick the field goal in that situation. Do you kick the field goal and leave yourself time to have the opportunity to recover an onside kick and go down for a score OR do you do what the titans did and kill the remaining time attempting to score a meaningless TD. The latter occurred in the game and how did that turn out?

nyed1010 · 12-10-10, 09:47 PM

Originally posted by blackbart

agree only chance was to make a td, they should have tried to do it faster. no reason to kick whatsoever.

Absolutely comical

The Seer · 12-10-10, 09:51 PM

After a lifetime spent in football, the posts in this thread make my head go