Bears might be the worst 9-3 team ever

[d2bets]

Bears will lose to the Falcons in the second round of playoffs.

You got Bears getting a Wild Card?

Might be more likely as the NFC Championship game. If the Bears win the NFC North they will most likely be the 2 seed, unless the Giants win the East AND pick up a full game.

[oiler]

Part of me was thinking for a while that the Bears weren't respected enough, but I'm sold now that they are way worse than a 9-3 record would indicate.

Squeaker wins against the Lions and Bills.
Losses to the Seahawks and Redskins.

How does Jeff Sagarin have the Bears as the NFL's eighth best team? It's just impossible

The Bears are who we don't think they are!

it seems that if a team doesnt win by a bug margin that it seems they dont dominate,in this league winning 9 games is a great thing no matter who they beat and how.every good team wins a few close ones ,so im sure if they go to the super bowl and win.u would say they are the worst super bowl winner of all time,but u know i dont care how they win,as long as they do

[AMBlai01]

Bears are not a great team but they are a very good team. Martz seems to have figured out the strengths and weaknesses of his personal and has done a hell of a job after a few early bumpy weeks. This team can surprise people. They have a solid defense and a QB that has a cannon...always dangerous.

[cadillac pete]

I'm just waiting for the Jay Cutler of old to surface. Drive killing int's are his specialty. Usually thrown with 3 defenders around a receiver and in the zone.

[pavyracer]

You got Bears getting a Wild Card?

Might be more likely as the NFC Championship game. If the Bears win the NFC North they will most likely be the 2 seed, unless the Giants win the East AND pick up a full game.

Bears will not win the North.

They have 4 extremely tough games remaining on schedule. Patriots, Vikings, Jets and Packers.

[d2bets]

Bears will not win the North.

They have 4 extremely tough games remaining on schedule. Patriots, Vikings, Jets and Packers.

Packers don't have it easy either. After this week at Detroit, they go to New England, then host the NY Giants, then of course the Bears.

Could go either way. Packers hope is to be able to win the division by beating the Bears in the finale. Bears hope to have it wrapped up before then. If the Bears manage to beat NE and Detroit finally breaks through with a home win (big ifs, I know) then the Bears can clinch the division with just a win against the Vikings next Monday night.

[Rio DiNero]

[pavyracer]

The Packers will not lose at home and they will beat Detroit so they will finish 11-5.

The Bears will go 2-1 or 1-2 before they face Packers. So 11-5 at best.

Not sure who wins the tiebreaker in the division:

TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION

If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined.

Two Clubs

1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in common games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
12. Coin toss

[Shafted69]

Bears will go far in the playoffs this year. It's a cyclical thing.















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[DwightShrute]

Part of me was thinking for a while that the Bears weren't respected enough, but I'm sold now that they are way worse than a 9-3 record would indicate.

way worse!

[d2bets]

The Packers will not lose at home and they will beat Detroit so they will finish 11-5.

The Bears will go 2-1 or 1-2 before they face Packers. So 11-5 at best.

Not sure who wins the tiebreaker in the division:


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If the Packers beat Det and Chi they won't lose tiebreakers 1 or 2. Common games are interesting. Common games would also be tied because they only had 2 "uncommon" games and both were split. So we'd have to go to conference records. Again, we're assuming GB beats Detroit this weekend which makes both teams 7-3, and since we're assuming GB beats Chicago they can do no worse than tie on this tiebreaker (or win it if they beat NY or Chi loses to Minny). If that happens then we actually to strength of victory. GB would win that tiebreaker easy with a few blowouts, barring huge Bears blowout wins late.

In other words, in terms of GB having a chance going into the last game, if GB beats Detroit this weekend, they would control the tiebreaker for sure. GB/Det this weekend is key, more key actually than the non-conf Bears game. GB MUST win if they want to have a chance, because if they lose, then they will most likely be on the negative side of the tiebreakers. Bears game is actually not a must win for Chicago (Minny game may be more important), but don't tell that to the Bears.

Also note that the ONLY way the Bears can have no chance of winning the division going into the final game would be for Chicago to go 0-3 next 3 and GB to go 3-0 next 3. Extraordinary unlikely. Even if GB picks up 2 full games they'd only be 1 up and the Bears would win by winning and having the H2H tiebreaker. This is why I think the Bears now at + money for the division is a great bet. WORST case scenario is needing that win, but there are many scenarios to clinch before that game.

[jmush]

definitely not an exciting watch but I dont think they are horrible...defense scares me but Brady should be able to dump the ball off to woodhead or green-ellis often

[pavyracer]

If the Packers beat Det and Chi they won't lose tiebreakers 1 or 2. Common games are interesting. Common games would also be tied because they only had 2 "uncommon" games and both were split. So we'd have to go to conference records. Again, we're assuming GB beats Detroit this weekend which makes both teams 7-3, and since we're assuming GB beats Chicago they can do no worse than tie on this tiebreaker (or win it if they beat NY or Chi loses to Minny). If that happens then we actually to strength of victory. GB would win that tiebreaker easy with a few blowouts, barring huge Bears blowout wins late.

In other words, in terms of GB having a chance going into the last game, if GB beats Detroit this weekend, they would control the tiebreaker for sure. GB/Det this weekend is key, more key actually than the non-conf Bears game. GB MUST win if they want to have a chance, because if they lose, then they will most likely be on the negative side of the tiebreakers. Bears game is actually not a must win for Chicago (Minny game may be more important), but don't tell that to the Bears.

Also note that the ONLY way the Bears can have no chance of winning the division going into the final game would be for Chicago to go 0-3 next 3 and GB to go 3-0 next 3. Extraordinary unlikely. Even if GB picks up 2 full games they'd only be 1 up and the Bears would win by winning and having the H2H tiebreaker. This is why I think the Bears now at + money for the division is a great bet. WORST case scenario is needing that win, but there are many scenarios to clinch before that game.

Thank you. It looks like it all depends on Green Bay this weekend vs Detroit. I'm pretty sure they know it too that they absolutely must win this game if they want to have a chance at winning the division.

[Bob Loblaw]

...and then the Bears went to the Superbowl and Dennis Green was fired

[walshy83]

The 9-3 Bears, wow so weird even saying that with the gunslinger at the helm.

[Bob Loblaw]

This whole topic is silly, but....are the Bears even the worst 9-3 team this year? What about the Jets? If you want to get into the "who have they beaten" argument, the only team the Jets have beaten with a winning record is the Patriots in the second game, who of course avenged that with a slaughter.

Or how about the Saints if we're going to the squeeked by/lossed to route?

Squeeked by:
49ers - Game winning FG as time expired
Bengals - Game winning TD with 30 secs left after getting one of the worst penalties ever taken
Panthers (at home) - Panthers were 10 yards away from kicking the go ahead FG with under 2 mins left
Cowboys - Game winning TD with less than 2 mins left
Vikings - Grind out game, losing at half, end up winning by 5 at home after Vikings drive stalls in N.O. territory with 5:30 mins left

Lost to: (Both by double digits)
Arizona
Cleveland at Home

That's worse than Bears right there if we're gonna play this angle

[ngates815]

I'm not gonna say anything about Reload, because he's a Mod (I've never received an infraction from him though) But he may never visit this thread again....


He might as well go hang out with corky.

[pavyracer]

Or how about the Saints if we're going to the squeeked by/lossed to route?

Squeeked by:
49ers - Game winning FG as time expired
Bengals - Game winning TD with 30 secs left after getting one of the worst penalties ever taken
Panthers (at home) - Panthers were 10 yards away from kicking the go ahead FG with under 2 mins left
Cowboys - Game winning TD with less than 2 mins left
Vikings - Grind out game, losing at half, end up winning by 5 at home after Vikings drive stalls in N.O. territory with 5:30 mins left

Lost to: (Both by double digits)
Arizona
Cleveland at Home

That's worse than Bears right there if we're gonna play this angle

Do you remember the 2007 Patriots? They blew everyone by a bunch in regular season. Winning margin in regular season means nothing in playoffs.

[Bob Loblaw]

Do you remember the 2007 Patriots? They blew everyone by a bunch in regular season. Winning margin in regular season means nothing in playoffs.

I agree with you 100%. You need to tell that to Reload. All my posts have been backing the Bears. My original post was basically saying that it was a dumb angle to follow and this last post was saying that if you really want to follow this angle then they aren't even the worst 9-3 team in the league this season.

[blueghost]

bears beat my LIONS twice first time the HUCK takes 6 from CALVIN then ..[2].to ruff a tackle,push down,elbow what ever it was [personal foul] [should have landed on him same result only cutler dont get up]giving bears 1ST and goal next play score,,taking PATS +3 easy

[Bob Loblaw]

bears beat my LIONS twice first time the HUCK takes 6 from CALVIN then ..[2].to ruff a tackle,push down,elbow what ever it was [personal foul] [should have landed on him same result only cutler dont get up]giving bears 1ST and goal next play score,,taking PATS +3 easy

First off, Game 1 vs the Lions I understand they could have lost had Calvin's TD been called. At the same time, the Bears dominated that game everywhere but the scoreboard. They had 300 more yards of offense than the Lions did. Costly turnovers did them in. Olsen fumbled on the 10 yard line going in for a score, Forte fumbled on the 30, Cutler threw a pick and he also fumbled. They could have won by a couple TD's just as easily as they could have lost but all people want to remember is that they could have lost to the Lions so that must mean they suck. This isn't the same team as week 1. They turned the ball over as many times in that game as they have in their last 4 games combined. It was the 1st week with a new coordinator as well. They don't even have the same gameplan these days as they did early in the season. They've been running more than passing these days. It was the opposite early on. There shouldn't be any thought of using week 1 vs the Lions in your capping of week 14 vs the Pats.

And seriously, this needs to be said again about last week? I can't believe so many people are complaining over a 7 yard penalty. If the Bears don't get that penalty then it's 2nd and 2 on the 14 yard line. The Bears were driving with relative ease anyway. IF they don't score a TD it's a chip shot field goal. They also ran out the clock in field goal range to end the game. Acting like that 7 yard penalty cost the Lions the game is absurd. There was a clear block in the back not called on the Lions that would have been about a 30 yard difference in field position. Nobody seems to want to talk about that though. Any way to call the Bears lucky I guess

[CaptJames05]

Daaaaa bears da bears da bears da bears

[cobracommander]

Obviously you didn't watch the Jets play on Monday.

[sportsfun]

as long as they win!

[jjgold]

Bears will try and pressure Brady on Sunday
They sure play physical
Tough game

[Pappas40]

The Bears D is to good.....shut down Michael Vick and beat the Packers I think they have earned all there wins.....except week 1 vs. Lions....Liones got screwed on that last play.....Bears are legit if they dont throw picks.....

[foutty25]

they will get it together

[Herky]

Please change the title to worst 9-4 team ever.

[d2bets]

Please change the title to worst 9-4 team ever.

But the Jets are 9-4.

[Reload]

If you want to crown 'em, then crown their ass! But they won't go anywhere after this humiliation today.

[TheLawFirm]

no the pats are just amazing