Lebron I Almost A Jordan

[jjgold]

Guys it is getting closer and closer, this guy is the most unstoppable force since MJ and his all around game is just unreal. It is fukkin scary how good he is

[gm2022]

Guys it is getting closer and closer, this guy is the most unstoppable force since MJ and his all around game is just unreal. It is fukkin scary how good he is

Until I see a ring cant even compare

[raiders72002]

Lebron can choke in a playoff game. Jordan never did that even with a 102 fever.

[The Seer]

Until I see a ring cant even compare

I need to see 6 of them first. Jordan was the biggest gamer in history.

[buztah]

King James is Mr. 4th Quarter. When he decides to take over, that's it. He has to win a lot though before we can call him the next MJ. Of all the players in the NBA today, I would want him on my team.

[Panic]

MJ didnt win his first until he was 28. LeBron at the age of 22 took his team to the Finals. Give him the same talent around him that Jordan had and he'll give you at least 6 rings.

[mofome]

MJ didnt win his first until he was 28. LeBron at the age of 22 took his team to the Finals.

glad someone said that.

[MadCapper]

Lebron is playing in such a weak conference. His team wouldnt compete in the WEST.

To even put Lebron ahead of Kobe is asinine. Let alone MJ.

Maybe in a few years, after he wins a few rings, you can start the realistic comparisons to MJ.

[ShamsWoof10]

MJ didnt win his first until he was 28. LeBron at the age of 22 took his team to the Finals. Give him the same talent around him that Jordan had and he'll give you at least 6 rings.

WHAT THE F*CK IS THAT..???

He hears everyone say it and repeats it with no thought... MJ went somewhere called "College" and it took a few of his years up.. excuse me he wanted an education... Add those college years on to RINGless JAMES and you'll be A LOT closer...

This is what MJ and Kobye for that matter had/have and Labron does not:

1. He can shoot FT's...

2. He has Phil Jackson...

3. He does not play for Cleveland...

4. RINGS...RINGS and this year....MORE RINGS!!!!!

F*ck man Kobye has more rings in the last 10 years then the entire city of CLEVELAND IN THE LAST 40!!!!

Cleveland sucks so bad that they can't even win the world series in the movies!!!

Ringless James won't win any titles soon with Kobye and the Lakers looking good... If they go on another run there is no way in HELL Ringless James will even get close to Kobye...

[Panic]

WHAT THE F*CK IS THAT..???

He hears everyone say it and repeats it with no thought... MJ went somewhere called "College" and it took a few of his years up.. excuse me he wanted an education... Add those college years on to RINGless JAMES and you'll be A LOT closer...

This is what MJ and Kobye for that matter had/have and Labron does not:

1. He can shoot FT's...

2. He has Phil Jackson...

3. He does not play for Cleveland...

4. RINGS...RINGS and this year....MORE RINGS!!!!!

F*ck man Kobye has more rings in the last 10 years then the entire city of CLEVELAND IN THE LAST 40!!!!

Cleveland sucks so bad that they can't even win the world series in the movies!!!

Ringless James won't win any titles soon with Kobye and the Lakers looking good... If they go on another run there is no way in HELL Ringless James will even get close to Kobye...

Okay, add the college in. Still took MJ 7 years to get to the Finals. Took LeBron 4. Period.With less talent I might add.

Give LeBron a Shaq in his prime like Kobe had and he wouild average a triple double through out the Playoffs and would have won as many as Kobe easily.

[The Seer]

Most people that are tooting JAmes' horn are too young to have appreciated the career of Jordan. Jordan was averaging in the 60s when he had no talent around him. I don't think he ever really had a whole lot either. What did Pippen do without Mike? Mike was hitting clutch shots for championships when everyone in and out of the universe knew he was getting the ball. Best gamer in the history of sports!

[ShamsWoof10]

Okay, add the college in. Still took MJ 7 years to get to the Finals. Took LeBron 4. Period.With less talent I might add.

Give LeBron a Shaq in his prime like Kobe had and he wouild average a triple double through out the Playoffs and would have won as many as Kobe easily.

Dan Marino got to the finals early in his career too...

Yeah that's what the Cavs. need ...2 guys at the line that can't make a FT...

[Finpro]

And people still get upset over the this boring and old discussion, that i saw...hmm...maybe 10x ? on the boards during the last 6 months. Hilarious

[The Seer]

Okay, add the college in. Still took MJ 7 years to get to the Finals. Took LeBron 4. Period.With less talent I might add.

Give LeBron a Shaq in his prime like Kobe had and he wouild average a triple double through out the Playoffs and would have won as many as Kobe easily.

Jordan still has 2 three peats and no better talent.

Jordan never had a shaq either. He had Bill Cartwright and Will Purdue.

[aszzzbrokerman]

First off comparing anyone to MR. Jordan is dangerously close to basketball blasphomy(sic).

Second off, the Kobe dick sucking fest has got to stop. His career high shooting percentage is 46%. Jordans career average is hovering at 50 and thats including 2.5 subpar seasons of work. Kobe is the world's biggest coat tail rider. He copied Jordan's moves and is pretty athletic...so he is as good as jordan? Why? Because he played on the same team as the world's most dominant player for 7 seasons? Give me a break. We all know that Kobe had to finish what shaq would start because he is the worst free throw shooter. But isn't it a little slowminded to give someone 100% credit for doing(quick math here 2/48) less than 2% of the work.

I am more than willing to give Kobe credit for being a great game finisher. But so were Robert Horry and Steve Kerr. He has yet to be Batman on a team that has made any noise in the playoffs and yet he is annointed. **** it then Scottie Pippen is the greatest player ever since he guarded Magic in the first nba championship that the Bulls got.

Now, Lebron James. Umm you may have noticed him scoring every bucket by his lonesome against the league's second best defense in last year's EC finals. But, he's no Kobe because Kobe is dick riding Jordan to hard for us to believe anything but Kobe is the best player in the league.

Showmanship? He's no. 1. What he's brings to the game. He's great but not transcedantly so. LBJ however is, and not to be corny, but we are all be witnesses to that.

It is written

[Panic]

Jordan still has 2 three peats and no better talent.

Jordan never had a shaq either. He had Bill Cartwright and Will Purdue.

That's right, so take Kobe out of the equation. He could only win when he had Shaq, and now when he has Gasol/Bynum.

No one is saying LeBron is MJ yet, but he is doing things MJ did early in his career. He's the youngest to reach 10,000 points and piggy backing his team to the Finals. What more can he do at 23?

Jordan had Pippen(top 50 player), Phil Jackson(arguablly best coach ever) Rodman(top 10 rebounder ever) and the likes of Harper, Paxson, and Grant with him. Hell, Harper even went on to PG the Lakers in their first title with Kobe/Shaq. Name me someone on the Cavaliers that is worth any of those guys. Gibson, maybe.

[mofome]

Lebron is the best in the league, he'll challenge mj status

[hoopster42]

MJ didnt win his first until he was 28. LeBron at the age of 22 took his team to the Finals. Give him the same talent around him that Jordan had and he'll give you at least 6 rings.

how can you forget that jordan started his career at aged 21 after playing 3 yrs at unc, while lebron came straight out of hs starting his career at aged 18. it blows my mind how people like to compare kobe and lebron to jordan "at this stage of their careers" not remembering that jordan got a later start in his career

[hoopster42]

kobe needs talent around him to win, but EVERYBODY needs talent to win, pippen came in and helped jordan to the next level, horace grant, dennis rodman, mj does not win 6 without these guys, every superstar needs help, every batman needs robin

[hoopster42]

First off comparing anyone to MR. Jordan is dangerously close to basketball blasphomy(sic).

Second off, the Kobe dick sucking fest has got to stop. His career high shooting percentage is 46%. Jordans career average is hovering at 50 and thats including 2.5 subpar seasons of work. Kobe is the world's biggest coat tail rider. He copied Jordan's moves and is pretty athletic...so he is as good as jordan? Why? Because he played on the same team as the world's most dominant player for 7 seasons? Give me a break. We all know that Kobe had to finish what shaq would start because he is the worst free throw shooter. But isn't it a little slowminded to give someone 100% credit for doing(quick math here 2/48) less than 2% of the work.

I am more than willing to give Kobe credit for being a great game finisher. But so were Robert Horry and Steve Kerr. He has yet to be Batman on a team that has made any noise in the playoffs and yet he is annointed. **** it then Scottie Pippen is the greatest player ever since he guarded Magic in the first nba championship that the Bulls got.

Now, Lebron James. Umm you may have noticed him scoring every bucket by his lonesome against the league's second best defense in last year's EC finals. But, he's no Kobe because Kobe is dick riding Jordan to hard for us to believe anything but Kobe is the best player in the league.

Showmanship? He's no. 1. What he's brings to the game. He's great but not transcedantly so. LBJ however is, and not to be corny, but we are all be witnesses to that.

It is written

this is an EXCELLENT post

[Panic]

how can you forget that jordan started his career at aged 21 after playing 3 yrs at unc, while lebron came straight out of hs starting his career at aged 18. it blows my mind how people like to compare kobe and lebron to jordan "at this stage of their careers" not remembering that jordan got a later start in his career

I stated above about the years. MJ=7 years to get to Finals. LeBron=4 years to get to Finals. Anotherwords, if LeBron comes into the league at 21 like MJ, he gets to the Finals at the age of 25.

[Wyndham]

Kobe is the best player in the NBA. It's funny that "all-around game" is mentioned; Kobe is a FAR superior defender and has much better offensive range. When it comes to the fourth quarter, there's no comparison.

[Panic]

kobe needs talent around him to win, but EVERYBODY needs talent to win, pippen came in and helped jordan to the next level, horace grant, dennis rodman, mj does not win 6 without these guys, every superstar needs help, every batman needs robin

Agreed. The thing is Kobe is Robin, while MJ and eventually LeBron are Batman. That is why Kobe never won a Final MVP and Jordan won all 6. If LeBron wins a title, there will be little doubt he would be the MVP almost gauranteed and especially if he goes to 3 in a row he will capture at least one, but probably all.

[hoopster42]

Agreed. The thing is Kobe is Robin, while MJ and eventually LeBron are Batman. That is why Kobe never won a Final MVP and Jordan won all 6. If LeBron wins a title, there will be little doubt he would be the MVP almost gauranteed and especially if he goes to 3 in a row he will capture at least one, but probably all.

if kobe wins the ring this season, he is the batman of the team, tho. gasol would be robin, or the closest thing to him on the team. odom, bynum, the rest of the guys can all combine to be robin, but this kobe's team and if they win it all we must give him credit, because without him, they don't sniff the 2nd round of the playoffs, much less a ring

[Panic]

if kobe wins the ring this season, he is the batman of the team, tho. gasol would be robin, or the closest thing to him on the team. odom, bynum, the rest of the guys can all combine to be robin, but this kobe's team and if they win it all we must give him credit, because without him, they don't sniff the 2nd round of the playoffs, much less a ring

I don't think they get past the Spurs, but if they do, I think Gasol would have a great chance to get it. He would have to average a double/double for LA to win in the Finals. Escpecially if they go against Boston(Garnett) or Detroit(Rasheed). And that would be a strong case for Final MVP.


Not to mention who the guy would have to go through to get there. Duncan, Amare, Boozer, ect.

[raiders72002]

Most people that are tooting JAmes' horn are too young to have appreciated the career of Jordan. Jordan was averaging in the 60s when he had no talent around him. I don't think he ever really had a whole lot either. What did Pippen do without Mike? Mike was hitting clutch shots for championships when everyone in and out of the universe knew he was getting the ball. Best gamer in the history of sports!

100% true. What great talent did Jordan have around him? Scottie Pippen the most overrated player in basketball history. He rode on Jordan's coattails and sucked without him.

[Panic]

100% true. What great talent did Jordan have around him? Scottie Pippen the most overrated player in basketball history. He rode on Jordan's coattails and sucked without him.

That's why the year Jordan retired and didnt play, Scottie led the Bulls to 50+ wins. He also made the All-Star team and was named MVP of that game. Yeah, he's overrated.

[aszzzbrokerman]

So I looked up Kobe and Manus last 10 games played against each other. Lets everyone remember that Kobe plays about 10 more minutes per game.

The 4 biggest factors in any game are as follows in order of importance. fg%, to, reb, getting to the line.

*Manu has shot better than Kobe in 5 games.
*He has had more rebounds in 2 games but has tied him in 2 others while playing less minutes. He has also finished 1 rebound short of Kobe while logging significantly less minutes in 2 other games. Per minute Manu beats Kobe in the category
*Manu has beating kobe at getting to the line in 5 games. Again this is while playing less minutes. And also while taking about 1/2 the amount of shots kobe has taken. Anyone want to argue that Kobe has outplayed him in the category even though he shoots more while getting to the line less? And thats with Kobe getting the superstar benefit of the doubt
*Manu has had 34 turnovers over this span. Kobe has had 40 turnovers. Kobe has been playing about 11 more minutes per meeting than Kobe so the turnover category belongs to Jordan's apprentice.

With all that being said you have to at least say that the battle between these two has been even. Yet Manu is not in anyone's top 100 players of all time.

So someone needs to start reminding me why we all think this guy is so great. If I had time I'm sure I could compare him head to head with more players and get similar results. He's just not as good as skip bayless thinks he is

[mofome]

That's why the year Jordan retired and didnt play, Scottie led the Bulls to 50+ wins. He also made the All-Star team and was named MVP of that game. Yeah, he's overrated.

for what its worth, i think pippen is overrated too, but this is the stance i would have taken if i was panic and im pulling for panic in this debate here.

[raiders72002]

and they won 72 with Jordan

[mofome]

So I looked up Kobe and Manus last 10 games played against each other. Lets everyone remember that Kobe plays about 10 more minutes per game.

The 4 biggest factors in any game are as follows in order of importance. fg%, to, reb, getting to the line.

*Manu has shot better than Kobe in 5 games.
*He has had more rebounds in 2 games but has tied him in 2 others while playing less minutes. He has also finished 1 rebound short of Kobe while logging significantly less minutes in 2 other games. Per minute Manu beats Kobe in the category
*Manu has beating kobe at getting to the line in 5 games. Again this is while playing less minutes. And also while taking about 1/2 the amount of shots kobe has taken. Anyone want to argue that Kobe has outplayed him in the category even though he shoots more while getting to the line less? And thats with Kobe getting the superstar benefit of the doubt
*Manu has had 34 turnovers over this span. Kobe has had 40 turnovers. Kobe has been playing about 11 more minutes per meeting than Kobe so the turnover category belongs to Jordan's apprentice.

With all that being said you have to at least say that the battle between these two has been even. Yet Manu is not in anyone's top 100 players of all time.

So someone needs to start reminding me why we all think this guy is so great. If I had time I'm sure I could compare him head to head with more players and get similar results. He's just not as good as skip bayless thinks he is

nice post azzzz

[raiders72002]

Anyone over the age of 40 takes Jordan by far.

[aszzzbrokerman]

I don't think we could Scottie overrated. The point is that their were other players in the league who the bulls could have replaced pippen with and not lost on anything. Clyde Drexler immediately comes to mind.

However once you eliminated Jordan they were no longer good enough to win championships. And he was irreplaceable.

On the other hand Shaq soon won an NBA championship as a lesser player with noone on that team but DWade. Not a ringing endorsement for Kobe being the main reason behind the Lakers 3 rings.

[mofome]

I don't think we could Scottie overrated. The point is that their were other players in the league who the bulls could have replaced pippen with and not lost on anything. Clyde Drexler immediately comes to mind.

However once you eliminated Jordan they were no longer good enough to win championships. And he was irreplaceable.

On the other hand Shaq soon won an NBA championship as a lesser player with noone on that team but DWade. Not a ringing endorsement for Kobe being the main reason behind the Lakers 3 rings.

Scottie wouldn't have been a flea on Clydes ass.

[aszzzbrokerman]

Thanks Mo. The maryland/dc people have got to stick together my friend.

Im 29 and Jordan is 1a in my top 5 of all time

1b is Magic. Noone has him this high but the guy reached 9 NBA finals in 11 seasons with an assortment of above average but not truly great teammates(Kareem was dying of natural causes by the time Magic got there). Its too bad the Lakers did a terrible job of building a team around him or else he would be even more highly thought of.