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  • SBR Lou
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    Survey released- Americans are 'financially illiterate'
    CNNMoney.com
    Tuesday February 26, 12:42 pm ET
    By Catherine Clifford, CNNMoney.com staff writer


    Americans don't understand debt, which may be one reason that they have too much of it, according to a survey released Tuesday.

    The survey presented 1,000 people with a hypothetical scenario about credit card debt and asked them to compute how long it would take to pay it off. Only 35.9% of the 1,000 respondents could figure out how many years it would take for the amount they owe on their credit cards to double. A full 18.2% did not know how to respond and 31.9% of those surveyed over-estimated the timeframe.

    The survey by Harvard Business School and Dartmouth College professors and TNS asked respondents to assess their debt levels. Those who said they felt they were carrying too much debt were found to be "wildly wrong" when it came to using compound interest to calculate how long it would take to pay off that debt.

    Of those polled, 26% said they consider the debt they are carrying to be unmanageable, while 61% said their debt level was "just right."

    Americans don't realize they're unaware of some of the complexities of personal finance - like compound interest - said Bob Neuhaus, the executive vice president and the head of the financial services sector in the U.S. for TNS. "If financial literacy was higher, you would see more caution in the use of consumer debt. It would not eliminate the problem, but it would mitigate [it]."

    The survey draws attention to a large problem without an easy solution. "Even those with a college degree don't have an understanding of the basic finance ideas," said Annamaria Lusardi, Professor of Economics at Dartmouth College.

    However, there are smaller, more manageable steps that can make a difference. Harvard Business School Professor Peter Tufano, a self-proclaimed believer in financial education, does not see credit as inherently bad, but he said that debt services are much more complicated now than they were a generation ago. He said credit card companies could help by creating more consumer friendly credit contracts that plainly spell out the terms, and bills that itemize outstanding debt so consumers can grasp the reality of how they spend money and how long it will take to pay.

    A lack of savings could be compounding the consumer debt problem. Another nationwide survey of 1,000 Americans released Monday by the American Savings Educational Council (ASEC) and America Saves found that a mere 53% of Americans have adequate savings with only 28% saving the recommended 10% of their annual income.

    Three-quarters of Americans surveyed said that they spend less than their income and save the difference, which may provide enough for an emergency unexpected expense, but only a little over 50% have enough savings to provide for a comfortable standard of living in retirement.

    However, those who make more money are able to sock away more for a rainy day, according to the savings survey. Ninety-percent of the high-income group (those earning at least $75,000 annually) say they have adequate savings, but only 48% of the low-income group (those earning below $35,000 annually) can say the same. And 81% of the high-income group report saving at least 5% of their income, compared with 34% of the low-income group.

    Regardless of income or level of financial literacy, there is one unifying lesson: have a plan. "Having a financial plan increases savings and financial stability," said Stephen Brobeck, executive director of Consumer Federation of America.
  • Justin7
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    #2
    Here's a quick survey question: How many of you max out your ROTH IRA contribution each year? I bet everyone who "passed" the above test does this.
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    • Willie Bee
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      #3
      I love it when 1,000 random people are taken as the gospel for representing an entire country.
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      • swede96
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        #4
        Why don't they try polling other countries too?

        I mean, I JUST finished my accounting and economics courses within the last year and compound interest still confuses me. I'd have to go back to my text books to calculate how long my debt will take to pay off. It's not like it's an easy concept to grasp. Brain surgery, no...but not easy either. Credit card companies know this and take full advantage when handing out cards. They don't want people to understand how long it will take them to pay their debt back.
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        • ShamsWoof10
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          #5
          Americans are getting more stupid by the day... When I coached at the HS I attended and graduated from I noticed in the 90's there were more and more kids poppin' up like this one kid...

          I remember sitting in "coach's" classroom chatting before we were going to go down to the coaches room in the stadium... A player (very likeable kid) came in to talk to "coach"... We tried to figure out why he was struggling so much in school... This was a very sad moment to witness... The kid broke down in tears telling us he couldn't read very well and that he didn't even know how to give exact change to the lady in the catateria... He would give her $10 or something well over and take his change... He wouldn't know if his change was right or not he just trusted it was...

          Here is something from THE WALL STREET JOURNAL showing how low US kids rank in the world!



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          • swede96
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            #6
            Oh, I'm not saying our school systems aren't in a sad state. But it's not like computing how long it will take you to pay off your credit card is as simple as giving change to the lunch lady.

            Our kids may rank low, but I doubt this particular survey would have gone any better in other parts of the world.
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            • RageWizard
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              #7
              They don't even teach this stuff in schools so what do you expect. The average dumbass american has no idea how much things will cost when the interest is added in, and they don't really care, if they get a little over extended say on the car payment or morgage, just go bankrupt and start again.
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              • swede96
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                #8
                Originally posted by RageWizard
                They don't even teach this stuff in schools so what do you expect. The average dumbass american has no idea how much things will cost when the interest is added in, and they don't really care, if they get a little over extended say on the car payment or morgage, just go bankrupt and start again.


                Exaclty, RW. They teach it in college IF you take finance courses....but even then, most people don't really grasp it after they've passed the class.
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                • Sportsgirl
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by RageWizard
                  They don't even teach this stuff in schools so what do you expect. The average dumbass american has no idea how much things will cost when the interest is added in, and they don't really care, if they get a little over extended say on the car payment or morgage, just go bankrupt and start again.
                  So true, RW. This type of thing should be a required course in high school. If it wasn't for my dad being a financial wiz, I wouldn't know jack. As it is, I've had and IRA since I was 15 and was made by my dad to buy savings bonds every paycheck I got when I worked summers between college. My dad's motto: Pay yourself first.
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                  • RageWizard
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by swede96


                    Exaclty, RW. They teach it in college IF you take finance courses....but even then, most people don't really grasp it after they've passed the class.
                    They actually teach the compounded interest thing in math and in cost of business courses in college. I wonder why some finacial institutions don't offer continuous compunding of interest. It just sounds good savings interest compounded continously, but in reality it is just the most that compounding will do for you.
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                    • swede96
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by RageWizard
                      They actually teach the compounded interest thing in math and in cost of business courses in college. I wonder why some finacial institutions don't offer continuous compunding of interest. It just sounds good savings interest compounded continously, but in reality it is just the most that compounding will do for you.
                      That's true. I'm working on finishing my exam for Quantitative Business Analysis with Algebra and that's what the course was about...of course, if you're like me and went to a public school....your algebra teachings will NOT help you here and you'll leave the class just hoping you pass not having retained much of anything.
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                      • RageWizard
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by swede96
                        That's true. I'm working on finishing my exam for Quantitative Business Analysis with Algebra and that's what the course was about...of course, if you're like me and went to a public school....your algebra teachings will NOT help you here and you'll leave the class just hoping you pass not having retained much of anything.

                        What are you kidding, I used to know all the algebra and even applied calculus, but now with the powerful computer simulation software that we use here, you don't have to know jack. Its all done automatically in the computer software. All I need to know now is what the numbers mean.
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                        • Sportsgirl
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                          #13
                          I feel I'm being ignored. Is this just and RW/Swede thread and I wasn't allowed to play?
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                          • Thor4140
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                            You want to hear something stunning. Go ask anyone how many ounces are in a pint or even a gallon and listen to these answers. I owned a small resturant and not one waitress who were all in 12th grade, knew the answers. I would bet over 80 percent of the country wouldn't know these answers.
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                            • swede96
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Sportsgirl
                              I feel I'm being ignored. Is this just and RW/Swede thread and I wasn't allowed to play?
                              Are you going to beat us with a wooden spoon next?

                              *RUNS*
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                              • Sportsgirl
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by swede96
                                Are you going to beat us with a wooden spoon next?

                                *RUNS*

                                *throws down some butter and watches Swede slide*
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                                • swede96
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                                  #17
                                  LOL! I just didn't have anything to add to your post, love. Can't improve on perfection.
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                                  • swede96
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                                    #18
                                    I am going to be the first person to admit that I don't know how many ounces are in a gallon. I was never good at remembering conversions.
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                                    • RageWizard
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by swede96
                                      I am going to be the first person to admit that I don't know how many ounces are in a gallon. I was never good at remembering conversions.
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                                      Hey I gots this cool coversion program that is easily e-mailable and convert from anything to whatever, in all kinds of measurements. I'll see if it could be loaded here.
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                                      • RageWizard
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                                        #20
                                        It will take a zip file so I loaded it. we will see.
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                                        • swede96
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                                          #21
                                          I can't open a zip here, but I'll try that at home. It would be neat to have. I've never been a fan of the metric system.
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                                          • RageWizard
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                                            #22
                                            Sorry, it wouldn't let me uplaod a .exe file so I zipped it. What job doesn't have winzip? Yours I guess.
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                                            • swede96
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                                              Well, I might be able to open it. I have winzip, but we can't accept emails with zip files from outside the network, so I don't know what flags it would set off for me to try to download one from here.
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                                              • ShamsWoof10
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                                                #24
                                                I believe one of the "elements" as to why the US society is getting more stupid is because they are not encouraged to use their brain... People don't remember numbers anymore they just store them... I REFUSE to store any numbers!!! It's like "idiocracy"... Everyone is that movie is dumb but it's a highly advanced society as far as technology was concerned... Even the biggest idiot knows that if you don't use something it may not perform as sharp when you do use it... I can't imagine the brain being any differant...

                                                Starting from cartoons to everyday news people are trained on being told what's happening instead of reasoning it out for themselves... I used to laugh at the cartoon "Superfriends" because it always told you the obvious... The narator would say sh*t like.."Meanwhile.. the valcano is erupting as Wonder Robyn gets into her invisible jet".. Well duuuhhh I can see that says baby Shams...

                                                As far as people abroad I think anyone that talks to kids in other societies will realize they are much further ahead then kids here... I don't know why that is but I sure noticed it... That's why these international students come to American Universities and excell... Their foundation is far better then the average idiot here...

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                                                • BrentCrude
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                                                  Sham,Great post as usual,we have a doomed dysfunctional underclass that were deliberately financially retarded that end up in a box canyon being stymied in debt and it benefits so many people that feed off them.Wow,talk about a mouthfull run on sentence that comes spewing out of my mouth as usual when I rant about this stuff.hehe!While the public schools are making kids collect soup cans to bring to the food shelf and putting rubbers on cucumbers,they neglect to teach them basic finances.The whole system sort of wants a person to be strong or competent in one little area like fixing cars,nursing or other vocations and be totally lame outside their own little box of expertise.That and to be outright dysfunctional so the ruling elite government class of bureaucracy all have jobs to take care of them all.If everyone behaved and had a sense of liberty and rugged individualism,there would be no need for the useless eater elitist government class.

                                                  In a way,the banking and finance class of people that right now were giving 200k mortgages to Al Bundy shoe salesman have FDR to thank for their high incomes.Sure,FDR is the god to all socialists who actually believe he helped the little people but his policies on funny money economics also helped the scamming banking class to make a fortune right up until this very moment as the house of cards is collapsing.
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                                                  • jackpot269
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                                                    one problem with cc is a person buys for example a $1000.00 item gets a cc from place they pay it from with 28% interest they don't care most of money is going to interest all they care about is they only pay $20 a month then 10 years later there still paying that $20 a month and cant figure why they still owe money on it!!
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                                                    • swede96
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by ShamsWoof10
                                                      I believe one of the "elements" as to why the US society is getting more stupid is because they are not encouraged to use their brain... People don't remember numbers anymore they just store them... I REFUSE to store any numbers!!! It's like "idiocracy"... Everyone is that movie is dumb but it's a highly advanced society as far as technology was concerned... Even the biggest idiot knows that if you don't use something it may not perform as sharp when you do use it... I can't imagine the brain being any differant...

                                                      Starting from cartoons to everyday news people are trained on being told what's happening instead of reasoning it out for themselves... I used to laugh at the cartoon "Superfriends" because it always told you the obvious... The narator would say sh*t like.."Meanwhile.. the valcano is erupting as Wonder Robyn gets into her invisible jet".. Well duuuhhh I can see that says baby Shams...

                                                      As far as people abroad I think anyone that talks to kids in other societies will realize they are much further ahead then kids here... I don't know why that is but I sure noticed it... That's why these international students come to American Universities and excell... Their foundation is far better then the average idiot here...

                                                      Which begs the question: why do they come here at all? If our education system is such a joke, why come here for university? Sadly, it's probably because they can't even get into doctoral, engineering, etc. programs in their own country...yet they are the best here. Very sad...but a topic for another thread completely.

                                                      I think we can all agree that it would benefit the people of our contry greatly to have a mandatory course in high school to teach young people about personal finance. But would anyone with the power to do so implement this policy? Probably not. Because then the rich wouldn't be able to get richer off of the ignorance of the common folk. Credit card companies feed off the assumption that most people don't know how compound interest will work. They bank on the fact that most think they'll actually be able to pay that card off making the minimum payment.
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                                                      • rake922
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                                                        #28
                                                        People aren't too bright...

                                                        Ask 1000 people living in the United States; Why does the United States celebrate the 4th of July...

                                                        You will get some interesting answers
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                                                        • ShamsWoof10
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                                                          The absolute best example of this is buying a house... They are not taught to save and invest to get enough to outright buy a house or put a huge chunk down.... Instead going into debt to "have something" is taught.. How many of you hear "bad credit is better then no credit"... What a crock of sh*t!!!

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                                                          • ShamsWoof10
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by swede96
                                                            Which begs the question: why do they come here at all? If our education system is such a joke, why come here for university? Sadly, it's probably because they can't even get into doctoral, engineering, etc. programs in their own country...yet they are the best here. Very sad...but a topic for another thread completely.
                                                            Ummmm this one is easy Swede... I'll give ya' a hint though... How many countries do you know that have 117 colleges and THAT'S JUST D-1.. How about all the colleges combined...??? The US is 4% of the global population and that is quite a bit for 4% compared to other countries relative to their population!!!

                                                            Also the quality of the colleges in the US don't reflect on the quality of the people.. These universities serve a lot more international people then you would think... There are kids in college that go through and graduate without reflecting on the quality of that college... I had a friend graduate who's handwriting and grammer was first grade level at best... I mean he's terrible... His girlfriend then wife now x wife helped him through college...

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                                                            • swede96
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by ShamsWoof10
                                                              The absolute best example of this is buying a house... They are not taught to save and invest to get enough to outright buy a house or put a huge chunk down.... Instead going into debt to "have something" is taught.. How many of you hear "bad credit is better then no credit"... What a crock of sh*t!!!

                                                              I think the hope there, Shams, is that the home will go up in value and even though you may be $200k in debt, you'll have a $250k asset. Granted, it doesn't always work like that. I don't look at my mortgage as the same kind of debt as my credit cards, because if push came to shove, I could sell my home and actually make money. But there's nothing I can do but pay my credit cards. The stuff I bought with them all those years ago is long gone...and you can't return gas.

                                                              I guess my point is that when you buy a house, yes, you are going into debt...BUT you have a corresponding asset that off-sets that debt (unless the market drops...then you're in deep doo doo). That being said, I think many people over-simplify this idea to: Who cares if I can really afford it? I have a house!! Then they start taking out equity loans and things get ugly...all of a sudden their debt outweighs their asset by a few hundred thousand.
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                                                              • The Seer
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                                                                #32
                                                                Americans are being dumbed down on purpose. It is subtle most of the time but it is the process of the New World Order taking into effect. Most Americans want a new car, ipod, and tv and will sacrifice being able to think for themselves for it.
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                                                                • swede96
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by ShamsWoof10
                                                                  Ummmm this one is easy Swede... I'll give ya' a hint though... How many countries do you know that have 117 colleges and THAT'S JUST D-1.. How about all the colleges combined...??? The US is 4% of the global population and that is quite a bit for 4% compared to other countries relative to their population!!!

                                                                  Also the quality of the colleges in the US don't reflect on the quality of the people.. These universities serve a lot more international people then you would think... There are kids in college that go through and graduate without reflecting on the quality of that college... I had a friend graduate who's handwriting and grammer was first grade level at best... I mean he's terrible... His girlfriend then wife now x wife helped him through college...


                                                                  That's what I mean. With the schooling these kids get in their home countries, they can skate through our colleges.
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                                                                  • ShamsWoof10
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by The Seer
                                                                    Americans are being dumbed down on purpose. It is subtle most of the time but it is the process of the New World Order taking into effect. Most Americans want a new car, ipod, and tv and will sacrifice being able to think for themselves for it.
                                                                    There's nothing wrong with this concept... The only problem I have with this concept is "depopulation" and "global religion".. Other then that a unified globe is a great idea... Everyone is equal...

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                                                                    • The Seer
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by ShamsWoof10
                                                                      There's nothing wrong with this concept... The only problem I have with this concept is "depopulation" and "global religion".. Other then that a unified globe is a great idea... Everyone is equal...

                                                                      If you like being told what to do and how to act and like being "shut off" if you don't agree with the gov.
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