Why do watchdog sites and players want to see players stiffed?

Mudcat · 02-15-06, 11:41 AM

I'm sure others will humor you and get into your big, looping, specious arguments but I have to go with:

raiders72001 · 02-15-06, 12:29 PM

I'm not really concerned with what you think. The facts are the facts but thanks for posting and not adding a thing. At least you didn't brag this time or tell us about your charity work which I can care less about on a gambling forum.

JoshW · 02-15-06, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by raiders72001

Well that facts are that my record is still 100% and everyone has been paid.

100%?

raiders72001 · 02-15-06, 06:11 PM

Docdecay and I have the same idea. He did post first but I just saw this.

Doc"Royal has been closing for the past 5 years according to the same group of people.

I'm not one of Major's "men" so dont even go there. All I can speak from is experience and I have always been paid by them. Every time there was a run on the bank, so to speak, it seems like they came through.

Are there instances of slow pays with others? I'd be lying if I said no, but seems like business as usual there. Personally, I have been paid out large sums of $ over time and have only experienced a minor problem once which was rectified almost immediately.

Obviously Ken feels as if he is privy to certain info which sheds a new light on Royal's situation.

Fine.

If the same wolf keeps going to the same movie theater and yells, "Fire" its hard for moviegoers to believe it after the 6th time.

For the sake of the players, I hope your wrong, but it I certainly get this feeling that you want them to go kaput so you can tell everyone, "I told you so.""

MrX · 02-16-06, 01:02 AM

Raiders, if you're in the watchdog business, on some level you have to want some players to get stiffed somewhere or there would be no justification for your job. If it was safe out there, there's no need for watchdogs, right?

I don't think that makes them bad people, though.

SBR_John · 02-16-06, 01:56 AM

We like to see players get out before the sportsbook goes into stiff mode. The three books you touted all went broke. Luckily for you they got bailouts but even the bailouts were not nearly as good as here is your cash.

In my opinion a good watchdog should only recommend the best, not a book they know has problems.

raiders72001 · 02-16-06, 01:57 AM

MrX- That's an interesting point and I do believe that to be true. SBR and TOW have that niche covered as far as being player advocates and it does help their business if players need help.

The thing I dislike is when watchdog sites go out of their way to hurt a book because of personal vendettas. My feeling is that they intend no harm to books but because of site feuds the books are the tool that is used and ultimately pay the price.

For me personally I'm just a guy with a small site. If someone has trouble with a book where I have a banner I will try to help because that is a book that I deal with. Many times I will have to ask for outside help. I wouldn't hesitate to ask SBR, TOW, MW or EOG but somehow I feel that I'll get the job done.

raiders72001 · 02-16-06, 01:59 AM

but even the bailouts were not nearly as good

John- How do you know this? Each case was different and in some instances the player received better deals.

Some had no rollover and others had rollovers less than what they owed the original book.

raiders72001 · 02-16-06, 02:08 AM

Lakerfan

100%?

Yes, 100%. I can't help a guy like Baus that comes to me 6 months later when I've posted 20 times if you need help to contact me.

SBR_John · 02-16-06, 10:27 AM

but even the bailouts were not nearly as good

John- How do you know this?

Its a simple math question. Real cash money is worth more than funny money subject to rollovers...always will be.

JoshW · 02-16-06, 11:27 AM

If you think 6 months makes a big difference so be it. I signed using you as a referral, heard from you that they were ok, and then lost 5k. I didn't bring it up to you as I don't hold you resposible as my own decision. But I certainly don't consider that 100% on recommendations.

raiders72001 · 02-16-06, 12:20 PM

John- Read my post again. Some guys got better deals.

jumper · 02-16-06, 02:42 PM

raiders,i appreciate your posts as i also become annoyed by the royal bashers as all they do is raise my stress level and in this business its all about managing stress.i received my requested payout yesterday,same as always.i believe the royal bashers can do real harm to a good book by scaring people off as they are somewhat sucessful with me,but you,re right in that this will hurt players because if everyone tries to get out at once no one will get out.what is your site mentioned above,i,d like to visit.it would be good if forum members who work in this industry were identified by their affiliations.you have alot of balls to go against the grain being objective about royal-thanks

raiders72001 · 02-16-06, 03:42 PM

Your welcome and very nice post. I always like posts from guys that are actually playing with a book and feel they are much more valid than the guys not playing with the book.

Also guys that have never played with a book keep posting negative opinions over and over again with no personal experience.

SBR_John · 02-16-06, 04:12 PM

..like PlayTheScore, ASAP and RichCoast? and now shilling for Royal for pocket change...

There is a sucker born every day and a Raiders-type there to "help" them.

Bill Dozer · 02-16-06, 04:47 PM

Remember the thread Raiders started introducing PlayTheScore? A classic from the start.

"New sportsbook opens up playthescore. Anyone know anything about them?"

Of course, the staff including CS Mgr. Omar was from the old ASAP who Raiders worked with and knew well. Once the player got to the site Raiders' name could be found in the drop down as the referral. Classic forum scam.

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raiders72001 · 02-16-06, 05:27 PM

Here are other forums endorsing Royal. Two have forums much bigger than SBR

BA
MW
SC
FBZ
TFZ

There are many others but those are the forums that I visit.

raiders72001 · 02-16-06, 05:31 PM

now shilling for Royal for pocket change...

John- Do you have a comprehension problem? I said that I put the Royal banner up for contests.

Why is my forum so much smaller than yours but I'm getting $1000 contest with no rollover, $500 contests with no rollover, $250 contests with no rollover and $100 contests?

The reason is that I give back to the posters. I show them how to win because it doesn't hurt me and I'm not greedy.

You and Billy can try all the smear campaigns that you want but people that deal with me know better.

raiders72001 · 02-16-06, 05:33 PM

Dozer

"New sportsbook opens up playthescore. Anyone know anything about them?"

The reason for this is that I'm getting information before you do. I didn't know the owner at that time which is why I was asking.

I also found about and asked questions about BCN when they opened. BTW I broke that to the forums too, long before you even knew they were opening.

raiders72001 · 02-16-06, 05:41 PM

Dozer- You should start asking questions too. This way you would quit running to the forums with only one side of the story. I guess breaking the news first is more important than posting the truth after hearing both sides.

raiders72001 · 02-16-06, 05:47 PM

This Royal stuff is nothing more than a forum feud. Both Shrink and John are fighting with Major. Major is involved somewhat with Royal. This is Shrink's and John's way of getting back at Major. These personal feuds should be taken off the boards. You guys should quit hurting posters and books.

raiders72001 · 02-16-06, 06:02 PM

I'm trying to keep all this Royal stuff in one thread. Shrink and John are the top 2 most influential people offshore.

Shrink came out with the statement to run, don't walk from Royal. John is agreeing with Shrink.

Tons of payout requests are being asked for and I haven't heard any complaints but I did see guys posting that they were paid both yesterday and today.

DamianDunlap · 02-16-06, 06:12 PM

raider Royal slow pays. There better books to promote. The casino slow pays. I have a member right now still owed money from virtural casino. Noboy want to here your funking twisted truth

raiders72001 · 02-16-06, 06:22 PM

Shocking Sherlock Holmes- You don't know of any no pays do you? Why do people keep playing with Royal if they are so bad? I'm sure people put a lot of stock on your word. You just recently posted that you had an offer and are selling your place for $600k.

DamianDunlap · 02-16-06, 10:21 PM

You dont know me, nobody but few really know me. Virtural casino which is own by royal owes two people money. Now I can have them come over and bust you out. But it would be a waste of time. Look at your raggy site. You better get off php forum, before your ass get hack.

You go around pumping shitty books, and you know good and well the book slow pays. Why even put them on your site. U make me sick. Pushing bad shit on people. You for sure woould get knock off if you tried that shit in my hood.

There over 20 good books you can promote that dont slow pay fool, but you choose to promote shitty books time after time.

raiders72001 · 02-16-06, 11:04 PM

Damian- What do you think of all the other sites that have Royal banners?

SBR_John · 02-16-06, 11:31 PM

Only the greedy would recommend a book they know for a fact slow pays and knows that it is owned by the biggest serial thief the industry has ever known.

Raiders you earned your Royal shill paycheck this month...its time to punch the clock on royal and shill for another book.

DamianDunlap · 02-16-06, 11:34 PM

Raiders the other sites not over here promoting them. Like your self.
Why Raider? Did you sale your soul to the devil for 400 a month?

raiders72001 · 02-17-06, 02:30 AM

Only the greedy would recommend a book they know for a fact slow pays and knows that it is owned by the biggest serial thief the industry has ever known.

I'm honest about it but I'm greedy. LOL I've said that there are slow pays from Royal but they always pay. It's stupid for Royal to close shop. Can you shoot any holes in this ? NO

raiders72001 · 02-17-06, 04:28 PM

Long time forum poster Peteep:

I was paid $2500 be neteller yesterday.

The problem with these threads is that everyone jumps on the bash royal bandwagon when they don't even play with them. You will notice the number of players that report a negative experience is extremely low.....really only one guy that was a scammer himself. Yet the ones who are playing with them seem to have good things to say for the most part.

Now of course I will be called a schill for this post which further adds to the problem. As I have said before I am not saying to send them your money, just reporting my experience that I have enjoyed for years now.

DamianDunlap · 02-18-06, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by Black Magic

I already made it public that I was owed 30 grand and it took close to eight weeks to pay me. I am glad i was paid and can only say that the dishonesty that royal dealt on a daily basis is the only other complaint I have. Great lines, clerks, props, etc...End of story Raider. How much do they pay you? Isnt that a sign od desperation on their part? To have to pay people to say good things about you? Sounds like a seventh grader.

Raider said the below

Oops! We ran into some problems.

http://www.eog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16104&page=2

Yes, Tej is a crook. He shut down some businesses and ran with the money. It's well documented and I've posted about it.

It makes no sense to do that with Royal because he'd make much more selling the business. There still hasn't been a no pay.

Now on your 3 dime bets to BoDog do you phone in or use the Internet?

After he said that he ask a eog mod to move it thread to the dump. Raider you need to lay very low for a while.
How can you promote a sportsbook, that you also think the owner is a crook?

SBR_John · 02-18-06, 01:25 PM

Raiders was up for Tej's schill of the month award before that. When Tej reads that he will be pissed.

raiders72001 · 02-18-06, 01:39 PM

I'm still not in John's class. That world class shilling he did for PanAM may never be surpassed. He did a nice job shilling Aces but PanAM was masterful and will go down in the books.