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  • lerhgaf
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    • 10-06-10
    • 34

    #1
    Can offshore SB use collection agencies to collect debts?
    My brother had access to a couple of my online sportsbook accounts, and made huge deposits and lost it all. He obviously did not tell me, and I reported it fraud to my bank and credit cards. Being a US citizen, these sportsboooks are threatening to send this balance I "owe" them because the bank stopped payment to collections agencies. Does anyone have any experience with this? It honestly was not me, and the one book is working with me, the other not at all. Does anyone have any advice? Is this even legal since I'm a US resident, and they are breaking the law letting me gamble on their site anyway?
  • Jrod124
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 10-31-09
    • 5622

    #2
    did u beat his ass?
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    • lerhgaf
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      • 10-06-10
      • 34

      #3
      I'm more concerned with the legal and financial ramifications, and how it will affect my credit. But if it FU*KS up my credit and I'm on the hook for the $7,000, yes he will be getting knocked the Fuc* out
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      • bluefish
        SBR Wise Guy
        • 04-13-09
        • 917

        #4
        Seems fishy to me. If you honestly didn't do it, why are you worried if they could collect?
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        • lerhgaf
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          • 10-06-10
          • 34

          #5
          Because it's my account, I've had the account for a while, and I signed the paper and sent them a copy of my license. I just want to know if anyone has been in this situation or has any advice on what to do, because it seems they have the upper hand in everyway here.
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          • nobs
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            • 08-31-09
            • 4216

            #6
            Its amazing how when someones account loses a lot of money it always seems to be their brother, cousin, nephew, etc. Its never them. This sounds like a repeat of the Patrick McIrish " it was my nephew" story.
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            • lerhgaf
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              • 10-06-10
              • 34

              #7
              If you don't wanna believe my story, that's fine, I'm not asking for your input. I'm not lying I couldn't care less if you believe me or not but unless you're providing useful advice I couldn't care less what you think. Only reply if you actually have something positive to say please.
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              • bluefish
                SBR Wise Guy
                • 04-13-09
                • 917

                #8
                Originally posted by lerhgaf
                Because it's my account, I've had the account for a while, and I signed the paper and sent them a copy of my license. I just want to know if anyone has been in this situation or has any advice on what to do, because it seems they have the upper hand in everyway here.

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                • Jrod124
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 10-31-09
                  • 5622

                  #9
                  7,000? Wow I thought it was like 500 bucks or something. I think your good as far as credit goes but I don't think you can play at the book before. Never had that happen to me so I am not sure
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                  • bluefish
                    SBR Wise Guy
                    • 04-13-09
                    • 917

                    #10
                    Originally posted by lerhgaf
                    If you don't wanna believe my story, that's fine, I'm not asking for your input. I'm not lying I couldn't care less if you believe me or not but unless you're providing useful advice I couldn't care less what you think. Only reply if you actually have something positive to say please.

                    You are a strapping young lad!
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                    • qwertvt
                      SBR MVP
                      • 12-04-09
                      • 1419

                      #11
                      Generally No- Running a gaming house in the U.S. is illegal. That is why they are offshore. A classic legal concept is a contract is void if it involves illegality ie gambling debts. Do yourself a favor; tell them you will pay the debt in its entirety if they send you something in writing (not email). Chances are they will not and your credit report will never suffer for the debt.

                      This post is not intended to be legal advice.
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                      • BestPlay2day
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 08-25-08
                        • 5794

                        #12
                        They won't be able to use a collection agency to get you to pay your debt. However, you're probably done betting online and if it's a big enough debt they will not let it go.
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                        • DeluxeLiner
                          SBR MVP
                          • 01-29-08
                          • 4132

                          #13
                          7 grand is enough for it to be worth consulting a lawyer regarding this.
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                          • nobs
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                            • 08-31-09
                            • 4216

                            #14
                            Originally posted by lerhgaf
                            If you don't wanna believe my story, that's fine, I'm not asking for your input. I'm not lying I couldn't care less if you believe me or not but unless you're providing useful advice I couldn't care less what you think. Only reply if you actually have something positive to say please.

                            Sorry Lerhgaf. That was my brother who posted that comment
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                            • BeatTheJerk
                              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                              • 08-19-07
                              • 31794

                              #15
                              er
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                              • nobs
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                                • 08-31-09
                                • 4216

                                #16
                                I think you shouldnt let your brother know your sportsbook names

                                and account numbers

                                and passwords

                                and credit card numbers

                                and credit card expiration dates

                                and credit card *** codes


                                You should have considered the wonderful incentive he had to do this, after all if he had won, he could have collected, no wait he couldnt have collected anyway since your name is on the account so this was a complete waste of his time
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                                • qwertvt
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 12-04-09
                                  • 1419

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by DeluxeLiner
                                  7 grand is enough for it to be worth consulting a lawyer regarding this.
                                  I wouldn't see a lawyer until they threaten you with legal action which would have to be in writing.
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                                  • lerhgaf
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                                    • 10-06-10
                                    • 34

                                    #18
                                    All the information is saved on my computer so my logins are saved, and he obviously has access to my computer and wallet. And no he had nothing to gain he's a moron drug addict, that doesn't think. Seriously dude just stop posting you're only making yourself look dumb.
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                                    • wtt0315
                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                      • 01-18-07
                                      • 8037

                                      #19
                                      can a sportsbook use a collection agency? the answer is no. can a third party processer like a instant deposit company or whatever use a collection agency. Yes. they will
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                                      • lerhgaf
                                        Restricted User
                                        • 10-06-10
                                        • 34

                                        #20
                                        Why would they not be able to use a 3rd party collections agency?
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                                        • wtt0315
                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                          • 01-18-07
                                          • 8037

                                          #21
                                          because internet gambling debts are not collectable. the reason third party processer can because when they use collection agencys they dont use what it was for. Of course all you have to do is dispute it.
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                                          • lerhgaf
                                            Restricted User
                                            • 10-06-10
                                            • 34

                                            #22
                                            All the deposits he made were from my credit cards, and bank account debit card, can they still use a third party collections agency? and is it true that they have to notify you in writing before sending it to collections?
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                                            • nobs
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                                              • 08-31-09
                                              • 4216

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by lerhgaf
                                              All the information is saved on my computer so my logins are saved, and he obviously has access to my computer and wallet. And no he had nothing to gain he's a moron drug addict, that doesn't think. Seriously dude just stop posting you're only making yourself look dumb.

                                              Yeah I am dumb, but I have never let "my brother" gamble away $7000 on my credit cards. You should just be glad that your a moron drug addict, I mean your brother, yeah your brother sorry. Anyways you should be glad your "brother" is a moron drug addict if he wasnt such a moron he could have used all that info and gotten something that actually benefited him rather than gambling on games that he couldnt collect on anyway
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                                              • wtt0315
                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                • 01-18-07
                                                • 8037

                                                #24
                                                no you are safe. the worst thing that will happen to you is you will be blacklisted from all the books. Sometimes though the bank you claimed fraud will want more info. if they find out its your brother they might make you press charges before they will stop the payement. you probably will have a hard time opening another account somewhere though.
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                                                • Jrod124
                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                  • 10-31-09
                                                  • 5622

                                                  #25
                                                  thats a good point nobs makes

                                                  was he going to do a interbook transfer to his name? How was he planning on getting paid out?
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                                                  • lerhgaf
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                                                    • 10-06-10
                                                    • 34

                                                    #26
                                                    He's a heroin addict, he doesn't think. Obviously he has addiction problems, and just wanted to play blackjack. I couldn't care less if you believe me. From now on only helpful information will be responded to, and to everyone else fuc*koff.
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                                                    • lerhgaf
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                                                      • 10-06-10
                                                      • 34

                                                      #27
                                                      So they can't send it to a collections and screw me?
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                                                      • lerhgaf
                                                        Restricted User
                                                        • 10-06-10
                                                        • 34

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by wtt0315
                                                        no you are safe. the worst thing that will happen to you is you will be blacklisted from all the books. Sometimes though the bank you claimed fraud will want more info. if they find out its your brother they might make you press charges before they will stop the payement. you probably will have a hard time opening another account somewhere though.
                                                        so they wont be able to send it to collections?
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                                                        • nobs
                                                          Restricted User
                                                          • 08-31-09
                                                          • 4216

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by lerhgaf
                                                          He's a heroin addict, he doesn't think. Obviously he has addiction problems, and just wanted to play blackjack. I couldn't care less if you believe me. From now on only helpful information will be responded to, and to everyone else fuc*koff.

                                                          Lerhgaf why are you getting so mad.

                                                          damn my brother logged into my account and typed all that stuff.

                                                          I would think that YOU of all people would understand the possibility that it may not be NOBS typing, but instead my asshole brother.

                                                          I think you owe me an apology
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                                                          • wtf
                                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                                            • 08-22-08
                                                            • 12983

                                                            #30
                                                            why do you care

                                                            you made your move already by stopping payment

                                                            now you have to deal with the consequences

                                                            if it was really your bro then expose him and let him live with the pain
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                                                            • nobs
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                                                              • 08-31-09
                                                              • 4216

                                                              #31
                                                              My brother is a heroin addict.....who just wanted to play blackjack

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                                                              • DwightShrute
                                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                                • 01-17-09
                                                                • 103277

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by lerhgaf
                                                                My brother had access to a couple of my online sportsbook accounts, and made huge deposits and lost it all. He obviously did not tell me, and I reported it fraud to my bank and credit cards. Being a US citizen, these sportsboooks are threatening to send this balance I "owe" them because the bank stopped payment to collections agencies. Does anyone have any experience with this? It honestly was not me, and the one book is working with me, the other not at all. Does anyone have any advice? Is this even legal since I'm a US resident, and they are breaking the law letting me gamble on their site anyway?
                                                                • who the hell are you kidding?
                                                                • You gambled, lost and now want to screw someone out of their money.
                                                                • what fraud? if anything you should get the $ from your imaginary brother or take him to court.
                                                                • We all know you are full of shit because you typed "I'm a US resident, and they are breaking the law letting me gamble on their site anyway?
                                                                • I guarantee you wouldn't say that if you won (eerrrrr I mean if your brother won). You would cash that check in a heart beat and I bet if they took 6 days instead of 5 to pay you, you would be posting complaints all over the place.


                                                                Here's my advice:

                                                                • be a man. call your credit card company back and reverse your dispute.
                                                                • if it too late. Write a check or take a loan for what you own the company and send it them
                                                                • beat the **** out of your imaginary brother if he doesn't pay you back
                                                                • quit fuking gambling, you are obviously real shitty at it. ERRR, i mean your brother is.

                                                                Do the right thing otherwise I hope they do send a collection agency after you. One from Bulgaria or some place that calls at 3am and hounds you at home and at work along with your neighbours and family.
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                                                                • lerhgaf
                                                                  Restricted User
                                                                  • 10-06-10
                                                                  • 34

                                                                  #33
                                                                  You people have absolutely no respect for anything. I would not do that to my family, cuz I'm a real human being. And like I said I don't care if you believe me I'm looking for advice, not ridicule. Please if your just going to be an "internet tough guy" stop responding. I need legitimate help here from people that know something about this.
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                                                                  • Extra Innings
                                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                                    • 02-26-10
                                                                    • 15058

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by lerhgaf
                                                                    My brother had access to a couple of my online sportsbook accounts, and made huge deposits and lost it all. He obviously did not tell me, and I reported it fraud to my bank and credit cards. Being a US citizen, these sportsboooks are threatening to send this balance I "owe" them because the bank stopped payment to collections agencies. Does anyone have any experience with this? It honestly was not me, and the one book is working with me, the other not at all. Does anyone have any advice? Is this even legal since I'm a US resident, and they are breaking the law letting me gamble on their site anyway?
                                                                    How long did it take for "him" to lose those deposits which were probably over a couple of weeks? I hope you burn in hell.

                                                                    You're a lying douche bag....how's that for input?
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                                                                    • lerhgaf
                                                                      Restricted User
                                                                      • 10-06-10
                                                                      • 34

                                                                      #35
                                                                      No, I don't do cards. I put small bets on sports. I am not lying, I don't see what is so unbelievable about this post, I was just seeking anyone who had dealt with a similar issue, I didn't need to get slaughtered, and called a liar by all you internet tough guys with beer guts bigger than a honda.
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