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  • mofome
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 12-19-07
    • 13003

    #1
    Joba to the Pen
    good news for my Os.


    February 12, 2008 -- Joba Chamberlain Joba Chamberlain will prepare during spring training as a starter, but will begin the season in the Yankee bullpen barring injury to any of the other five main rotation members, team officials confirmed to The Post.

    It had been speculated throughout the offseason that Chamberlain could open in the 'pen as a way to restrain his innings from going beyond the approximately 140 the organization wants to limit him to in 2008. The Yanks New York Yankees believe that at Chamberlain's age (22), he should not be asked to exceed his innings total of last year (112.1) by much more than 30 innings, or else he would be put at a greater likelihood for an arm injury.

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    But these new Joba Rules are not only about protecting Chamberlain's precious arm. The Yanks also want to use April and May as an audition for his successor. The idea would be to have a slate of young relievers work in the less pressurized sixth and seventh innings. The organizational hope is that someone from a group that could include Alan Horne, Jose Veras Jose Veras , Edwar Ramirez and Ross Ohlendorf emerges in reliability and can graduate to the eighth-inning role when Chamberlain is transitioned back to the rotation.

    The Yanks' ideal plan works in this fashion, according to executives briefed on the strategy:

    1. Chien-Ming Wang, Andy Pettitte, Mike Mussina, Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy would stay healthy to form the rotation. All five would be needed from the outset because the Yanks have just two scheduled off-days from March 31 through May 4.

    2. Chamberlain stabilizes the area the Yankees profess offers their greatest uncertainty in 2008: Their setup crew in front of Mariano Rivera. The Yanks envision Chamberlain dominating in the eighth based on his 0.38 ERA and .145 batting average against in 19 regular-season games as a reliever last year.

    3. The Yanks see the Chamberlain/Rivera tandem helping them be a dominant late-inning team over the first two months of the season. At some point in June, the Yanks would send Chamberlain to the minors for 3-4 weeks to stretch him out to 5-6 innings in preparation to be a full-time starter in the second half.

    4. The Yanks hope is that over the first two months other relievers show enough fortitude/reliability to be moved into the eighth inning. Only Kyle Farnsworth and LaTroy Hawkins are guaranteed jobs. The Yanks think Girardi, who was a Cub teammate of Farnsworth for three years, might help the talented righty find greater consistency and grab the eighth inning.

    But the Yanks also plan to create a competition beginning in spring for relief jobs. And they are not just limiting the competition to relievers such as Veras, Chris Britton, Brian Bruney and Jonathan Albaladejo, and independent league finds with superb minor-league stats such as Ramirez and Scott Patterson. The Yanks are open to converting a starter with a big arm, as they did with Ohlendorf last year. Horne, Jeff Marquez, Daniel McCutcheon and Steven White will be considered.

    The wild cards are Humberto Sanchez and Mark Melancon. They are viewed as having among the biggest arms in the organization. But both are returning from Tommy John surgery and would likely not even be under consideration until about when Chamberlain would be heading to the rotation. Melancon has just 62/3 innings of pro experience. But some Yankee executives are so enamored with his recovery, arm and, especially, his makeup that they think he could be this year's Chamberlain, rocketing through the entire system to the majors.

    Of course, these plans are fragile. Pettitte must show his publicized link to HGH has not impacted his pitching. Mussina, 39, must demonstrate he has something left after a poor 2007. Hughes and Kennedy must prove they are ready to be major-league starters from the outset of the season. The Yanks must believe Horne, Marquez, Jeff Karstens or Kei Igawa can be an extra starter if need be early while Chamberlain relieves. Rivera must stay healthy so the Yanks are not tempted to move Chamberlain into the closing job.

    And Chamberlain must be physically and mentally able to handle a unique proposition in which he will be asked to throw approximately 30-40 relief innings, be shuttled to the minors and then promoted to start for about another 90 or so innings.

  • Cee
    SBR MVP
    • 12-24-07
    • 1899

    #2
    Originally posted by mofome
    It will be like the good ole days when nyy had rivera 7-8th inn and wettlend in the 9th.
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    • MadCapper
      SBR MVP
      • 01-27-08
      • 4179

      #3
      I think its a greta move by the Yankees.

      Joba to Rivera is the best 7th - 9th inning in baseball.

      Wang, Pettitte, Hughes, Kennedy, Mussina are adequate to very good.
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      • zerocage
        SBR Wise Guy
        • 08-29-06
        • 769

        #4
        It is the right move.
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        • Deuce
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          • 01-12-08
          • 29843

          #5
          Good he can't throw. He lets flies bother him.
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          • mofome
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 12-19-07
            • 13003

            #6
            Originally posted by MadCapper
            I think its a greta move by the Yankees.

            Joba to Rivera is the best 7th - 9th inning in baseball.

            Wang, Pettitte, Hughes, Kennedy, Mussina are adequate to very good.


            how can you put them past the bosox already? rivera wasnt all that sharp last season and joba is still young.
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            • clonecat
              SBR MVP
              • 08-29-05
              • 1225

              #7
              I'm surprised they are still counting on Mussina for anything. I think he's done. Pettitte still gets by, but not good enough to be a #2. Hughes, too early for me to make a decision. Kennedy- I think he's going to be good.

              There bullpen is horrible and Joba has great stuff. I don't think this means anything long term. They have so many young arms, they need to throw them out there and see who can do it and who can't. Their everyday lineup is good enough to put them in the playoff hunt even with poor pitching.

              Wang at home is unbelievable, they will need to save money after spending $1.3 billion on a new stadium, and a few less infield mowings at the new ballpark can be expected.
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              • MadCapper
                SBR MVP
                • 01-27-08
                • 4179

                #8
                Originally posted by mofome
                how can you put them past the bosox already? rivera wasnt all that sharp last season and joba is still young.
                I'm a Yankees fan.
                My Blog: http://madcapper.mysbrforum.com/
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                • Deuce
                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                  • 01-12-08
                  • 29843

                  #9
                  Originally posted by MadCapper
                  I'm a Yankees fan.
                  I am sorry to hear that.
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                  • mofome
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 12-19-07
                    • 13003

                    #10
                    Originally posted by MadCapper
                    I'm a Yankees fan.


                    fair enough. joba looks amazing, but i would rather have him taking the lead into the 7th than getting the ball at that point.
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                    • MadCapper
                      SBR MVP
                      • 01-27-08
                      • 4179

                      #11
                      Originally posted by mofome
                      fair enough. joba looks amazing, but i would rather have him taking the lead into the 7th than getting the ball at that point.
                      i would rather him protecting a lead every 2 days in the 7th than giving over a lead once every 5 days, only to havie Farnsworth blow it everytime.
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                      • tacomax
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                        • 08-10-05
                        • 9619

                        #12
                        1. Chien-Ming Wang, Andy Pettitte, Mike Mussina, Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy would stay healthy to form the rotation.
                        Am I the only one to think the plan starts to fall apart right from the start?
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                        • moneyline
                          SBR MVP
                          • 01-18-08
                          • 1748

                          #13
                          Yes, you are. Name 10 starting rotations better than that one ... you can't because there aren't ... nice try, though ...
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                          • mofome
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 12-19-07
                            • 13003

                            #14
                            Originally posted by MadCapper
                            i would rather him protecting a lead every 2 days in the 7th than giving over a lead once every 5 days, only to havie Farnsworth blow it everytime.


                            yeah but they should have done something to prevent needing joba there, imo. there were plenty of rps out there to be had. cashman is the worst GM in the league imo.
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                            • William Lee
                              SBR Hustler
                              • 02-11-08
                              • 85

                              #15
                              This kid is a monster. He will get many more innings other than the 7th and 8th like many think. He will be there long releiver too. And the emergency starter as well. Looking at his father I see where he gets his built. If it was different I'd say CHECK this kid for steroid use. 100 MPH wow.

                              William Lee
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                              • willyback
                                SBR Wise Guy
                                • 11-15-07
                                • 674

                                #16
                                Madcapper - it's going to be a tough season for your Yanks. The back end pitching staff of Joba and Mariano are solid, but the starters are highly questionable. They should've dealt for Santana. Pitcher by pitcher: Wang should have a decent year, Pettitte should stand tall (unless the steroids scandal gets to him), Hughes is highly over rated (long ball city), Kennedy - the jury's still out, and Mussina - all I can say is "don't let him pitch during any series with the Angels." Factor in Joe Garadi and you have a highly questionable 2008 outlook. But then again - I could be wrong...
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