Hillary may won NewYork,but he won most of the South,and most of the states.I mean in some of the states he was getting as much as 60 and 70%.Oh I think she also won Mass.Who cares they can't win a super bowl how do you expect them to pick a president.(thats just a shot at patriot fans)Some of you guys are probably right,if Hillary was to win McCain would have a better chance.
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The Republicans desperately want Hillary to win. At this point I can see this dragging on for a long time with the Democratic race. Hillary hit some homeruns tonight, but Obama has kept it even playing smallball. 14 of the 22 contests went to Barack and he is trending up in all the polls after the exit by Edwards. Hillary is also looking at a money struggle compared to Obama, which will mean the debates between the two will be crucial for her to pull this one out. At this point in time I'd have to make Obama the very slight favorite, so those Republican pundits better keep making the case for Hillary.Comment -
The OP must have been watching only the New York primary.
Delegates and popular vote in demo primaries just about equal.
Hopefully, Obama can pull it off in Feb (he's favored in most of the primaies in the rest of the month), with Hilly maybe doing well in March.
Smoke-filled rooms at the Demo convention? Gee, neither of them smokes . . .Comment -
Obama came into the night with momentum and he leaves with even more momentum.Comment -
early on that thread was made. early on it was true.
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Am I the only one who wants to hear Obama describe WHAT "change"s he plans to make? Every other word out of his mouth is "change" but we never get details. Oddly people seem to be getting brainwashed into the idea that he will "change" things while Hillary would leave them the same. I'll take a "change" back to where we stood economically and internationally with hubby Bill running the show, that's for sure.Comment -
I've been saying this all along, DL. I have a real problem with this. This is why I say he's all style and no substance. If you vote for change without knowing what changes are intended, then you're just walking off a different side of the cliff. He's all inspiration and motivation. It's so blatant because he resonates most with uneducated, poor people and impressionable youth. He speaks very well about virtually nothing, and it's the fallacy of a political amateur.
Bush was elected the first time in the exact same manner. Nobody knew what the hell he was going to do but they sure were happy with all the flowery changes he promised he would make when he barged inside the beltway.Comment -
If I were spinning, I'd happily admit it, but I can safely say that I'm trying to provide the most objective outlook I possibly can. I'm no supporter of either one at this point. I'll agree that Hillary has a 3 point lead in the game right now, but she opened the game with a 21-0 lead and there's still a whole quarter to play. If he makes a mistake or she can force a turnover then she can still pull it out, but he has control and her team is tired.Comment -
I'm not going to lie I'm less confident about Hillary's chances who wouldn't be?
I still think she is in control and it's her primary to lose. Gotta believe the Clinton's have something up their sleeve.Comment -
Those Florida and Michigan delegates appear to be more important than anyone originally realized. Will be interesting to see how that unfolds.Comment -
who the states go to isnt all that important with the dems, its misleading to read 'cal went to hillary'...as if she claims the entire state.
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This is the most interested that I have been since I reached the voting age and started following politics a little more.Comment -
In the final tally of Super Tuesday, Hillary won 9 states and Barack won 12; however, Hillary's states gave her 402 delegates, while Barack's states gave him only 284. Winning the "big states" is definately critical, as for example, Hillary winning New York gave her 127 delegates while Barack winning Alaska, Delaware, Utah and North Dakota gave him a combined 40 delegates for all four states.
Here's a link to the newspaper I work at that has a nice graphic for both the democrats and republicans showing who won which states and how many delegates each state was worth.
After Super Tuesday, it looks like Clinton/McCain will be the final race and I wouldn't be surprised to see Huckabee sign on as the McCain VP.Comment -
In the final tally of Super Tuesday, Hillary won 9 states and Barack won 12; however, Hillary's states gave her 402 delegates, while Barack's states gave him only 284. Winning the "big states" is definately critical, as for example, Hillary winning New York gave her 127 delegates while Barack winning Alaska, Delaware, Utah and North Dakota gave him a combined 40 delegates for all four states.
Here's a link to the newspaper I work at that has a nice graphic for both the democrats and republicans showing who won which states and how many delegates each state was worth.
After Super Tuesday, it looks like Clinton/McCain will be the final race and I wouldn't be surprised to see Huckabee sign on as the McCain VP.
How about spreading actual information instead of lies with the intention of supporting your candidate.
The current actual estimates by legitimate news organizations are 582 delegates yesterday for Clintion and 562 for Obama with the final #'s still days away.
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Durito,
Are you sure CNN is more legitimate than the local newspaper?
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Not at all, I don't like CNN, but Sportsgirl has already shown that she believes a racially motivated email full of 100% lies about Obama.
Support Divided, Top Democrats Trade Victories
By PATRICK HEALY
Senators Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama carved up the nation in the 22-state nominating contest on Tuesday, leaving the Democratic presidential nomination more elusive than ever. Mrs. Clinton won California, Massachusetts, New Jersey and her home state, New York, while Mr. Obama took Connecticut, Georgia, Minnesota and his base in Illinois.
It was a night of drama as millions of Democrats cleaved sharply between two candidates offering them a historic first: The opportunity to nominate a woman or an African-American to lead their party’s effort to reclaim the White House. Yet it was also a night when neither Mr. Obama nor Mrs. Clinton could decisively lay claim — or even secure an edge — to the nomination, assuring an electoral fight that will unfold for weeks to come.
In remarks to their supporters in Manhattan and Chicago, Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama smiled broadly but were relatively low key in their assessments of the night, as if they knew that their state-by-state successes did not add up to the grand prize of Democratic standard-bearer. Both sounded a little tired at times, already exhausted by campaigning and fund-raising, with only more of both ahead.
The wild race from the East Coast to the Pacific began with the first results in Georgia, then Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton traded victories about every 30 minutes. Preliminary vote figures in multiple states were close enough to spike adrenaline in the two camps as each sought an edge.
And throughout the night, uncertainty about the biggest delegate prize, California, vexed both campaigns. Early Wednesday, however, Mrs. Clinton solidified her lead there, providing a huge morale boost to her team from a state that has long been a cornerstone of successful Democratic campaigns.
Missouri proved to be another story. Historically a presidential bellwether, the state was almost evenly split between the two Democrats at 1 a.m. Wednesday, with Mr. Obama leading by half of a percentage point.
Before California and Missouri were counted, an analysis by The Associated Press based on incomplete vote totals showed that Mrs. Clinton had won 166 delegates and Mr. Obama had won 146 at stake Tuesday. All told, Mrs. Clinton had 479 delegates and Mr. Obama had 386. Those figures are likely to change as the vote tallies are completed and delegates are awarded under complicated rules that vary from state to state.
The results and exit polls showed formidable strengths for each candidate, with Mr. Obama gaining appeal with white voters — particularly white men — and Mrs. Clinton solidifying her support among Hispanics. Mrs. Clinton won Democratic primaries in states that her party rarely carries in a general election, like Arkansas — where she served as first lady — as well as Oklahoma and Tennessee.
“Tonight we are hearing the voices of people across America — people of all ages, of all colors, of all faiths, of all walks of life,” a broadly smiling Mrs. Clinton told supporters in Manhattan just before 11 p.m. “Tonight, in record numbers, you voted not just to make history, but to remake America.”
Mr. Obama, who appeared to be building momentum in recent days, held wide leads in states like Minnesota, and ran close behind her in states like New Jersey. That left him poised to pick up a hefty number of delegates, even in some states that Mrs. Clinton won.
“There is one thing on this February night that we do not need the final results to know: our time has come,” Mr. Obama said to cheers at a party in Chicago. “Our time has come, our movement is real, and change is coming to America.”
Because most states gave nominating delegates to both Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama based on vote proportions, as opposed to winner take all, the two campaigns were predicting on Tuesday that neither candidate would have a blowout lead, setting up an intensifying race as Louisiana, Washington, Virginia, Ohio and Texas hold nominating contests over the next four weeks.
A total of 1,678 pledged delegates were at stake in the 22 state contests on Tuesday, with 2,025 delegates needed to win the nomination.
Exit polls showed Mr. Obama winning a majority of men in many of the states — in some places by substantial margins — and doing particularly well among white men, blacks and young people. The polls showed three primary bases of support for Mrs. Clinton: women, Hispanics and older voters.
As polls closed in the East and Midwest, Clinton advisers were initially worried about New Jersey, where Mrs. Clinton had endorsements from Gov. Jon Corzine and Senator Robert Menendez, and recognition for her work after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001 in neighboring New York. While she was drawing votes from 60 percent of white and Hispanic Democrats, Mr. Obama had more than 80 percent of black votes. But as returns came in, she solidified a lead.
Mr. Obama convincingly won Georgia, with exit polls indicating that his support transcended racial lines by an even greater margin than in South Carolina, his earlier Southern primary victory.
More than half of Democratic voters in Georgia were black, and they strongly supported Mr. Obama, according to exit polls conducted by Edison/Mitofsky for the National Election Pool of television networks and The Associated Press. Mr. Obama also received more than 4 in 10 votes from white Democrats, winning about half of white men and 40 percent of white women.
Mr. Obama also carried Alabama, Colorado, Delaware and Idaho. In Illinois, his home state (though he was born in Honolulu and Mrs. Clinton in Chicago), he won 70 percent of men overall and two-thirds of both women overall and white men. His weakest showing was among older voters, with only half of them supporting him. He was strongly supported across income and education backgrounds.
The Clinton campaign, meanwhile, portrayed Massachusetts as an upset victory in an e-mail statement Tuesday night, noting that Senators Edward M. Kennedy and John Kerry and Gov. Deval Patrick had endorsed Mr. Obama, who campaigned there on Monday. (Mrs. Clinton visited there twice and enjoyed a reservoir of support for her and her husband.)
“This is a strong victory and shows that Hillary Clinton has strength in places where Barack Obama was expected to win,” the Clinton statement said.
Exit polls showed that Mrs. Clinton continued to enjoy the same solid support from Hispanic voters that fueled her victory in the Nevada caucuses in mid-January. Exits polls indicated that she was receiving a majority of the Hispanic vote in all states, with Arizona being close. While most groups went for Mr. Obama in Illinois, Mrs. Clinton won about 55 percent of Hispanic women.
Among Democrats voting on Tuesday, a majority said that they were most concerned about the economy, outpacing those worried about the Iraq war or health care. Nine out of 10 Democratic voters said the economy was in bad shape.
A majority of Democrats in most states said they believed that Mrs. Clinton was best suited to be commander in chief, while Mr. Obama had a similar edge among Democrats regarding who was more likely to unite the country.
Mr. Obama was receiving at least half of the votes from white men in Arizona, Connecticut, Georgia, and Illinois, and he received 4 in 10 in Missouri, New York and New Jersey. But Mrs. Clinton appeared to have an edge in the delegate-rich state of Missouri late Tuesday.
He also won a majority of voters under 30 in most of the states. Similarly, Mrs. Clinton received most of the votes from people over 65.
For months now, the Obama and Clinton campaigns have viewed Tuesday as a decisive moment in the presidential race. When Mrs. Clinton lost the first nominating contest, in Iowa, she and her advisers noted that the 45 delegates at stake there were a mere fraction of the delegates at stake in the state contests on Tuesday.
Mr. Obama and his aides made similar remarks after his losses in New Hampshire and Nevada, and both he and Mrs. Clinton increasingly spoke of the nomination fight as a two-way battle for delegates, pure and simple.
Mrs. Clinton underscored this viewpoint by campaigning in California and Arizona, two states that voted Tuesday, in the week before the South Carolina primary — signaling, in effect, that her strategy was much more focused on winning contests on Tuesday than on South Carolina, which Mr. Obama ended up winning in a rout.
Over the last week, however, public and private opinion polls have showed tightening races in states where Mrs. Clinton had held substantial leads, including Massachusetts and New Jersey (where a combined total of 200 delegates were at stake) and California, which had 370 delegates.
Clinton Wins California, New York;
Obama Rallies Supporters for Change
By LAURA MECKLER
February 6, 2008 9:04 a.m.
Sen. Hillary Clinton picked up Super Tuesday's biggest trophy, claiming California, but Sen. Barack Obama notched a series of wins in coast-to-coast contests that showed Democrats remain divided over whom to nominate for president. Rules governing allocation of delegates were certain to keep the race going.
Mrs. Clinton's victories may have halted the momentum that Mr. Obama had been building in recent days, when polling showed him catching up with Mrs. Clinton both nationally and in key states. Both candidates sought to make history -- Mrs. Clinton as the first female president, and Mr. Obama as the first African-American in the White House.
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Mr. Obama showed strength across multiple regions. Powered by the black vote, he won in the Deep South states of Georgia and Alabama. He took East Coast victories in Connecticut and Delaware. And he won further west with Minnesota, Idaho, Kansas, Colorado, North Dakota and Alaska, states holding caucuses where his strong organization helped deliver victory. He also notched a win in his home state of Illinois and won a hard-fought contest in neighboring Missouri.
Mrs. Clinton answered with wins in the largest states: California, as well as her home state of New York, New Jersey and Massachusetts, in addition to Arizona, Oklahoma, Tennessee and her one-time home of Arkansas.
Her win in Massachusetts, a state where she long led but where Mr. Obama was hoping for an upset, was particularly notable. A cadre of the state's leaders, led by Democratic icon Sen. Edward Kennedy, had endorsed Mr. Obama in the days before the Super Tuesday showdown. Her win there was a sign of resilience for the woman who once held a huge lead in national and most state polls.
"Today in record numbers, you voted not just to make history but to remake America," she told cheering supporters at a theater in midtown Manhattan. She thanked her family, in particular her mother "who was born before women could vote and is watching her daughter on this stage."
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In Chicago, Mr. Obama replied: "The polls are just closing in California, and the votes are still being counted in cities and towns across America, but there is one thing … on this February night that we do not need the final results to know: Our time has come."
In all, Mr. Obama won 13 contests and Mrs. Clinton took eight. The Democratic caucuses in New Mexico remained unsettled. Mrs. Clinton had a 117-vote lead when the party shut down its vote counting operation until 11 a.m. EST.
On the Republican side, Sen. John McCain (R., Ariz.) won a slate of winner-take-all states in the Northeast: New York, New Jersey, Delaware and Connecticut, as well as Illinois. Mitt Romney was the winner in Massachusetts, where he served as governor, as well as Mormon-heavy Utah. Former Gov. Mike Huckabee notched victories in Georgia, Alabama, his home state of Arkansas, and at the West Virginia Republican convention held earlier in the day. (See related article.26)
The Democrats competed in 22 states with 1,678 delegates at stake. Party rules dictated that delegates be divided in all close races, meaning both Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton are both likely to pick up delegates even in states where they lose the popular vote.
In early counting, Mrs. Clinton led Tuesday's contests with 584 delegates to Mr. Obama's 569, according to the Associated Press tally. Overall, that gave Mrs. Clinton 845 delegates, to 765 for Mr. Obama, with 2,025 delegates required to claim the nomination in Denver at this summer's convention.
Because of the complexity of calculating the totals, it may not be clear until well into Wednesday who comes out with more of the delegates needed to claim the nomination at the Democratic convention this summer in Denver. And neither candidate appeared to win enough states to claim undisputed momentum.
Hillary Clinton talks with supporters after winning her home state of New York, as well as New Jersey, Massachusetts and Arkansas.
At issue is not just who wins the state, but also who wins in each of the state's congressional districts. California, for instance, has 53 congressional districts, meaning there was a mini-race going on in each one. Mrs. Clinton's overall advantage is also related to her support among so-called super-delegates, the party leaders who each get a vote at the convention.
In one sign of the fight's potential longevity, Mrs. Clinton accepted four debate invitations from four different networks to appear with Mr. Obama before next week's contests in Maryland, Virginia and the District of Columbia, and the March 4 contests in Texas and Ohio. Mr. Obama has not yet said if he will participate, and his campaign manager testily replied that Mr. Obama's schedule was not going to be dictated by his rival campaign.
Mrs. Clinton ran much of the race with an air of inevitability, only to be shocked by Mr. Obama's victory in the opening contest in Iowa. She answered with a win in New Hampshire. But the campaign has been on shaky footing over the last few weeks, with Bill Clinton complicating matters in a series of controversial comments.
Appearing on the Late Show with David Letterman on Monday, Mrs. Clinton for the first time accepted the premise that her husband may have caused her trouble. She said she asked him to curb his attacks on Mr. Obama. "I think we need to get back on the positive here, because this campaign really has to be about the future and it has to be about what I'm going to do as president."
Early Tuesday, her campaign's chief strategist, Mark Penn, told reporters that she will maintain her lead in the delegate count and is strong going into the coming states. "Ohio is very strong for us," he said, pointing to a contest still a month away.
For his part, Mr. Obama courts his image as underdog. Speaking to reporters in Chicago Tuesday, campaign manager David Plouffe argued that Mrs. Clinton is the top candidate, noting her strong relationships, broad organization and name recognition. "Clinton has the advantage,'' Mr. Plouffe said. He allowed that Mr. Obama had "some advantage" in Hawaii, with a measly 29 delegates.
The reason for the obstinacy is clear: Mr. Obama's campaign is built around making a hard run at the establishments. The campaign will wax on about the thousands of volunteers it has but says little about the 500 staff it has on the campaign payroll. It makes little mention of the prizes that have come with some of its endorsements -- for example, a three-million-person email list of contributors controlled by Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry -- one of the most closely guarded databases in the political business -- was shared with the Obama campaign during the same month that it broke all fund-raising records.
Barack Obama applauds supporters gathered at his campaign headquarters in Chicago for standing up against "the same Washington game."
Instead, the campaign tends to tip its hand only in ways that are designed to scare the Clinton campaign. The Obama staff have made much of his massive television buy in recent days -- including a regional spot during the Super Bowl for about $250,000 -- that covered about 30 states.
As in preceding states, turnout was heavy in California. In the Democratic stronghold of San Francisco, voters began flocking to polling locations shortly after they opened at 7 a.m. PST.
Some were undecided until nearly the last minute. Peter Fairfield of San Francisco said he went to bed last night thinking he was going to vote for Mrs. Clinton. "I voted for Bill, so thought, well, it's her turn," said the 57-year-old small-business owner, a member of the Green Party who brought along his Airedale Terrier, Dagmar, to vote at a precinct inside the Glen Park Elementary School. "But this morning, I just felt like Obama is representing a new politics and Hillary is representing the old. So I voted for him."
Still, Mrs. Clinton has considerable support. Retired nurse Patti Giffin, 57, of Atlanta, Ga., said that improving the U.S. economy is her top priority. "We have a very qualified person who can break through a tough class ceiling," said Ms. Giffin, a Clinton supporter since the former first lady announced her desire to run for president. "It was a no brainer."
Mrs. Clinton cast her vote at the Douglas Gafflin Elementary School in Chappaqua, N.Y., early this morning. She took the opportunity to make a last-minute pitch, telling reporters, "We need a president on day one who is ready to be commander-in-chief and get our country back on track."
The crush of contests made it nearly impossible for candidates to wage aggressive campaigns in every state holding a Super Tuesday contest. Rather, candidates had to target their efforts, and they enlisted dozens of surrogates working on their behalf to drum up support.
The New York Democrat sent her husband, the former president, and her daughter to the campaign trail. Tuesday morning, 27-year-old Chelsea Clinton delivered donut holes to poll workers and voters at the New Haven Fire Department. Mr. Obama benefited from a flood of high-profile endorsers including that of Mr. Kennedy. Half the voters in Missouri, California and Georgia said his endorsement made a difference in their vote, according to exit polls.
As a sign of Mr. Obama's growing strength in the race, his campaign announced last week that they broke fund-raising records in January, with a reported $32 million haul -- a figure better than any three-month quarter reported in 2007. On Monday, Clinton campaign Chairman Terry McAuliffe told MSNBC that the campaign has raised roughly $13.5 million during the month.
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Actually, I'll be voting republican, so don't pass judgement or make labeling generalization without having your facts straight. If you click on the link to the newspaper I provided, those are the "facts" that I went by. If it's wrong, I clearly don't see how that's my fault?Comment -
Obama ass-kicking thread was definitely premature. So is assuming a Clinton/McCain showdown. Obama still has a 40-50% shot at winning the Dem nomination.
Let's stick to picking Sports winners instead; some of you are quite good in that area. Politics...not so much.Comment
