Once again people ignore the fact that Marion doesn't want to play with the Suns. Guy is a selfish SOB, he rather be in the east and be in the all star game every year. Also lol @ Ricky Davis, dudes a virus.
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Originally posted by purecarnagge
You are so right,He doesn't want to play because with the exception of the first couple years at Orlando,He ha always played with a winner.Probably if they did make that trade he might perk up,and play a little bit.I think he would probably get well very quick,although his fat ass is so out of shape He probably wouldn't be able to keep up with the high flyers.I could just see a steve Nash no look pass hitting him in the head because he's running down the court like Herman Munster.Comment -
With reguards to Wolfy's comment. RICKY DAVIS. -Yeah he is. But he can run and dunk. Which is what the Suns do with Marion --> Just a thought as far as a trade with Miami goes. I don't think the Suns should be doing any business with the Heat. And yeah Marion doesn't want to be with the Suns, I'm aware. But that doesn't mean that he doesn't put effort into each game and provide big numbers each night.Comment -
I feel what you saying Deke, but sometimes a guys poor attitude off the court kills the team within. GM's and coaches see this and rather get rid of it because sooner or later it will have its problems. Yeah I know they’re doing fine right now 14 losses, like I said it's down the line where it might hurt the team.Originally posted by Deke101Comment -
Yeah I see what your getting at. I guess I'm just being biased because if there gonna get rid of him, there is so much out there that is better than Shaq for the Suns. Frustrating.Comment -
Who they should be trying & hoping to get for Marion is Ben Wallace. With either Marion or Shaq, this team can't play the defense required to win a title. Actually, it's tough to imagine a team with Nash ever being able to play enough defense to win a title....and now the Lakers have just as much offense.Comment -
this is the same suns team that choked the last 2 years WITH marion isnt it?Originally posted by OegNo
mind you....the suspensions mattered but thats only an excuse for one year
point being....they couldnt do it then....what makes you think things were going to change this year all the sudden??
its a good move...because as of right now....the LAL are favored in the west....I mean cmon...kobe scored 6 points earlier tonight but had a grin from ear to ear and I havent seen him happy like that since he won his first title....the zenmaster is still hangin around....WATCH OUT FOR LA
the suns needed a shake up IMO
whether or not it will pan out for the better who knows?
shaq just needs to get back into shape....these athletes have the best of everything....ill go out on a limb and say that shaq "comes alive" all the sudden if this trade goes down....if he cant pass the physical then he is so far out of shape it wont matter....but I highly doubt that
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This has to be a Kerr move, and I could see the rift with D'Antoni grow now. It didn't make sense to have both Hill and Marion, but to trade for Shaq is a joke. There are two players in the NBA who were continuously ran out of the building by the Suns: Yao and Shaq. Forget 'seven seconds or less' now.
Anyway. Too late now. Shaq has two months to get himself into playoff shape. The Suns did need muscle under the basket (on defense), and this will take away fouls from Amare. Shaq's been getting away with murder under the basket, and Amare has been slapped with one tickytack foul after another all season.Comment -
Exactly.. I like the trade and the Suns obviously want to have a different personality. How many championships have the Suns won the last few years with their run and gun style? Yeah.....Originally posted by W0lfy
Nash will have his pick between Amare and Shaq down low not bad imo, Shaq still a top 10 center and could thrive with this kind of team..Comment -
Originally posted by imgv94
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still avg's 15 and 8 a game.. Can't think of ten better centers than him.Originally posted by DrunkenLullabyComment -
I do agree that Shaq is still a top 10 center and could once again be a top 5 if he can stay healthy and get in a little better shape...thinking the Suns will have to change up the offense a bit since run and gun isn't too suitable for Shaq. Either way he is still a big man that can dominate the low postComment -
Shaq with motivation now.Comment -
Did anyone bother to consult with the coach on this one, i doubt he approved of this. I bet D'antoni is gone by the start of next season.Comment -
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puzzling, i got shaq in like the 9th round of my fantasy draft, hopefully he can give me 10 and 10 a night over there when healthy.Comment -
Call me crazy but I think this is a good trade for both sides. What has the Suns up tempo offense produced? Not a championship.
The Suns have two player right now playing out of position with Stoudemire at C and Marion at PF. Should this trade go through the Suns would have a starting lineup of
C Shaq
PF Stoudemire
SF Hill
SG Bell
PG Nash
Barbosa and Strawberry coming off the bench. Sure Shaq is 35and slow but he is a presence and will alter shots and rebound. Nash just turned 33 and how long do you all think he will continue to play at this level?
The Heat need this trade to go through if they want to keep Wade. Marion will opt out and provide the Heat with some cap relief that they can use to make a run at the pretty deep upcoming FA class.
If this trade goes through you have to give some credit to Kerr. He knows he needs to make a run at it now and they obviously are not going to win anything with the roster they have now.Comment -
He wont pass the physical test, therefore, nothing will happen, and it will be forgotten in less than a week.Originally posted by brock
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Mark my words, if Shaq is traded to the Suns and they lose Marion, they will barely make the playoffs. Shaq can give the Suns a maximum of 20 minutes a game. They are losing a lockdown defender in Marion and a stallion in the fast tempo game. Phoenix will now be a half court team with Shaq in the game. Shaq cant hit the broad side of a barn anymore with the ball. He is not an offensive threat. And he is too slow to get back on defense. This is one of the worst trades I've ever heard of for Phoenix. Miami is getting a great deal. Marion and Wade together make for a solid one two punch.
Phoenix goes from a dynamic team that has a niche in the market with guys who have played together for a long time to a team with 3 starters well over 30 years old. They may not even make the playoffs. Shaq can give them about 25 half ass minutes per game. Nice.Comment -
i wonder how amare is gonna handle this, i dont think he will be happy being second fiddle option down lowComment -
The trade looks terrible on paper, but it could work.
First, if healthy, you get a hungry player for a bored player. Shaq past his prime? Clearly. But so was Marion in the Suns system. Marion was already replaced by Hill. Marion and Hill are too similar to be on the same team. Hill was acquired after Marion began to demand a trade this summer.
The Suns needed muscle and they got it with Shaq. Will he fit in the run and gun style? At a first glance, no... So how about a second glance?
Sure, Shaq has slowed down. But he's still a tremendous competitor. Give him an incentive and he'll be very motivated. The desert has that incentive. I have to think that , if he can smell another championship, he will 'will' himself into shape real fast.
Looking back, I realize that Amare had been harping on this theme for the past weeks, suddenly referring to himself as undersized ... The 'beast' undersized? Amare absolutely loves this deal. He was on the phone with Shaq before the deal. He won't have to pick up all those early fouls (that derail the Suns every time). He'll get to slam the fly above the rim passes from Nash. He had already groomed his midrange jumper this summer. The Shaq/Amare combo has the be the deadliest in the NBA. Plus Shaq is a great passer beneath the basket, so the Suns wouldn't lose a beat shooting the threes. Or are we forgetting that Shaq needs to be double teamed or he will slam it down every time?
The Suns don't need Shaq for the fast break. You don't fast break with five guys. That was never the Sun's problem. What was? They were too easy to beat without a major presence under the basket. They would have been out of the playoffs very quick with all the rebounds they were giving up. This Suns team was not as good as the past two years. So they gambled. In fact, they bet BIG...
So how is that a problem on a gambler's forum?
(for the record, a large part of the bet falls on the shoulders of the Suns medical staff, which thinks it can get Shaq healthy ...)Comment -
I don't understand why Phoenix would do this.Comment -
Does anybody ever factor in defensive ability when they rate a player?Originally posted by imgv94
Guess I should already know the answer to that since Nash won two MVPs in this league.
As a holder of Laker futures I PRAY that this trade goes through, even though the Suns have little chance either way.Comment -
1. DuncanOriginally posted by imgv94
2. Yao
3. Boozer
4.Bosh
5. Howard
6. Bynum
7. Pau
8. Amare
9. Camby
10. Chandler
11. Wallace
12. Kaman
13. Brand
14.Dalembert
15.Jermain o'neal
These arent really in order, but they are all players that could have helped the suns. I think that the suns could have recived more value than just shaq. But no way any of those teams would have traded other than maby jermainComment -
Could this mean to bet on the heat more often????Originally posted by Dark HorseComment -
Phoenix is making a huge mistake. Their run and gun offense will be 4 on 5 since Shaq can't run the floor. I know the Suns wanna match the Lakers since they signed Gasol, but come on. This deal makes zero sense.Comment -
Agree diesl tank is emptyOriginally posted by IllusionComment -
Bump for the 7 game win streak???
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