Be fair to Peyton, Brady choker too?

[The Seer]

For everyone who says Peyton chokes when the Colts lose, it must be fair to say Brady choked too then. When Peyton gets no protection and is harassed, that is what people say so I think the same goes for Brady then. Lil bro Eli outplayed him bigtime. Brady reminds me of Bledsoe in his scrambling ability. Eli broke tackles and made one of the greatest plays in SB history. Brady missed wide open receivers even when he had plenty of time so don't tell me it was all because he had no protection. He wasn't even near Moss in the left corner of the endzone when he was wide open.

Brady is not better than Montana.
No way is Moss remotely close to being as good as Rice.
It took Moss 16 games to do what Rice did in 12. Plus neither lost a SB.
Belichick got outcoached by Coughlin.

I'm just saying what's fair is fair.

By the way, Im not caling Brady a choker. I am defending Peyton Manning from haters here. I'm just saying judge everyone on the same criteria.

[BadNina]

The constant harassment of the Giant's D got into Brady's head. That was a fine display of defense.

[Sportsgirl]

I think I'm more of a "seer" than The Seer.

[rugbybdyb]

I have to say it was one of the best defensive performances in any single game that I have ever seen. To see a defensive unit play that well for an entire game was unreal, especially on the front 4, they tore that offensive line to pieces.

[BadNina]

But didn't they lead the league in sacks? So it shouldn't have been such a surprise.

[rugbybdyb]

I agree bad,

it was just awesome to see it happen against such a high power offensive team on that big a stage...

[brock]

Giants defense had alot to do with Brady performance he did not make any foolish passes that I remember

[WileOut]

Manning is one of the most clutch QB's of all time. So is Brady. Neither is anywhere close to a choker. Their achievements far outweigh their failures.

Manning has come up with some of the most incredible game winning drives I've ever seen, including the one against the Pats last year to get them to the SB. Brady has driven his team to 3 SB wins, almost 4 and you say he is a choker? Look at his numbers from yesterday. Very good numbers. Almost 300 yards passing with a TD and no interceptions. It was his offensive line that choked. This is the NFL guys. Outside of Montana, who is more clutch than Brady or Manning?

I do agree that Rice is the best WR ever.

[Sportsgirl]

It was his offensive line that choked.

I disagree. The Giants played a damn fine defensive football game and saying the O-line of that Pats "choked" takes away from what was truly a fine performance by the Giants' front 7. The Pats O-line didn't choke - they just flat out got beat.

[WileOut]

I'll agree with that. However I stand by my comments that Brady and Manning are not chokers.

[Sportsgirl]

I'll agree with that. However I stand by my comments that Brady and Manning are not chokers.

I'll stand with you.

[pavyracer]

The only thing that Brady and Manning are choking is each others chickens.

[The Seer]

Manning is one of the most clutch QB's of all time. So is Brady. Neither is anywhere close to a choker. Their achievements far outweigh their failures.

Manning has come up with some of the most incredible game winning drives I've ever seen, including the one against the Pats last year to get them to the SB. Brady has driven his team to 3 SB wins, almost 4 and you say he is a choker? Look at his numbers from yesterday. Very good numbers. Almost 300 yards passing with a TD and no interceptions. It was his offensive line that choked. This is the NFL guys. Outside of Montana, who is more clutch than Brady or Manning?

I do agree that Rice is the best WR ever.

Learn to read.
I never said that Brady was a choker. I'm a manning fan. I said that all of the people that say Manning is a choker has to say Brady is one to make it fair. I'm defending Manning aginst haters. The fact of the matter is Brady still missed wide open receivers. When he wasn't harrassed and just flat out missed Moss in the endzone, that was HIS fault, PERIOD.

[zerocage]

Brady Had It Too Good All Season!

[WileOut]

Learn to read.
I never said that Brady was a choker. I'm a manning fan. I said that all of the people that say Manning is a choker has to say Brady is one to make it fair. I'm defending Manning aginst haters. The fact of the matter is Brady still missed wide open receivers. When he wasn't harrassed and just flat out missed Moss in the endzone, that was HIS fault, PERIOD.

Ok I understand now, sometimes it takes a while. Plus I tend to skim and not read long posts.

[Art Vandeleigh]

I'm not sure how Brady driving his team down the length of the field in the final minutes of a Super Bowl to take the lead qualifies him as a choker

[Sportsgirl]

I'm not sure how Brady driving his team down the length of the field in the final minutes of a Super Bowl to take the lead qualifies him as a choker

He wasn't calling Brady a choker - merely pointing out that if people are going to call Peyton a choker (undeservedly) then it would only be fair to call Brady a choker - also undeserved.

[WileOut]

Arty you are guilty as I was. The OP is not saying he is a choker. He is telling the people who call Manning a choker that they have to call Brady a choker too.

[The Seer]

He wasn't calling Brady a choker - merely pointing out that if people are going to call Peyton a choker (undeservedly) then it would only be fair to call Brady a choker - also undeserved.

Give this girl a prize! I hate it when anyone calls pro athletes chokers from their couches at home.

[Sportsgirl]

Give this girl a prize! I hate it when anyone calls pro athletes chokers from their couches at home.

Well, let see - I already get the prize of "best picker" since in my column I picked the Giants to win ... just a bit off on the score. So, for this prize, let's see .... I'll take a partner at 2-person beach volleyball in Vegas. Thanks.

[SBR Lou]

Seer, do you stand by your comments earlier in the year that the offensive line is the best you've ever seen as a unit?

I've said all along, they are often times made to look better by Brady's quick release and the way he anticipates pressure. Aside from their center and Logan Mankins, the line itself is truly not spectacular. Matt Light is nowhere near an all-pro, he needs to sharpen his game, and Neal and Kaczur are very overrated. They need help on the edges, the line is nowhere close to being the best in history, they were outright dominated by the Giants. I guarantee you that they'll make a move this offseason and pick up some help for the line, I'm sure of it. There'll be a different starter on that line next year, that line was exposed and highly overrated all year.

[The Seer]

Seer, do you stand by your comments earlier in the year that the offensive line is the best you've ever seen as a unit?

I've said all along, they are often times made to look better by Brady's quick release and the way he anticipates pressure. Aside from their center and Logan Mankins, the line itself is truly not spectacular. Matt Light is nowhere near an all-pro, he needs to sharpen his game, and Neal and Kaczur are very overrated. They need help on the edges, the line is nowhere close to being the best in history, they were outright dominated by the Giants. I guarantee you that they'll make a move this offseason and pick up some help for the line, I'm sure of it. There'll be a different starter on that line next year, that line was exposed and highly overrated all year.

Crazyl, I think they are very good and they are still top 2 or 3 in the league but they did get exposed by what may be the best D-line in the league. They are not the best I've ever seen. I would have to rate late 90s Broncos, early 90s Cowboys, and 80s Redskins as better. These 3 units could pass block and run block with equal effectiveness. They were much better than the Patriots O line.

[Art Vandeleigh]

Hmmm...Brady will never be remembered as a choker, even if he losses 3 more SB's since he already has 3...

Elway may have been remembered as a choker if not for his grand finale his last 2 years....

Jim Kelly is remembered as....does anybody remember Jim Kelly?

I think Peyton was a miraculous 18 point comeback winner agianst the Pats last year from being considered an uber-choker.

[Poker_Beast]

They tore him up, that sandwich hit on Brady was great!

[slacker00]

Some choke. He throws the go-ahead TD with 2 minutes left in the game. Then with 30 seonds left, he makes 2 huge throws that both go off Moss's hands. Give the Giants some credit.

Also, for the record, Rice has a loss in the Super Bowl. Also, the 49ers took a nasty loss at home in the playoffs to the Giants back in 1990 that they should have won.

If you want to see a Brady choke, go back to their playoff loss the the Broncos. That was Brady's worst performance I've ever seen in the clutch. He overthrew a couple wide open WRs with the game on the line.

[BadNina]

Jim Kelly is remembered as....does anybody remember Jim Kelly?

Buffalo Choker.

[rugbybdyb]

doesnt he have a cereal???????Kelly Flakes?????????Oh wait that was Flutte Flakes sorry.......

[Sportsgirl]

Jim Kelly is remembered as....does anybody remember Jim Kelly?

I remember that he was from East Brady - just outside Pittsburgh and that for a number of years after Bradshaw left I remember wishing he would have been signed by the Steelers.

It takes a team to win a Super Bowl - it also takes a team to lose one or four.

[RageWizard]

How does anyone think that Brady choked? The giants defensive line made him uncomfortable. Its not like he had any interceptions or anything.

[The Seer]

How does anyone think that Brady choked? The giants defensive line made him uncomfortable. Its not like he had any interceptions or anything.

Not saying that. Read first post.

[Sportsgirl]

Not saying that. Read first post.

So, what you're saying is that he choked?


Seriously, in your poll, did you know how to spell ignoramus off the top of your head, or did you have to look it up?

[RageWizard]

O.K. some of the time when he had time he didn't come up with the throw like he's done all year. A bad game maybe, but it wasn't his fault that they lost. I've yet to see a quarter back have a good day consistently when a 300 lb super fat ass is stalking him all day. Even when they don't get there it seems to effect them.
Looks like Eli will be making the big bucks with his brother in endorsement cash after yesterday's game. I'd say at least 20 mil worth.

[RageWizard]

So, what you're saying is that he choked?


Seriously, in your poll, did you know how to spell ignoramus off the top of your head, or did you have to look it up?

Seriously they should have a autospell check so the english and spelling challenged like myself don't look the total idiots that we are.

[Art Vandeleigh]

It takes a team to win a Super Bowl - it also takes a team to lose one or four.

Of course that's true, I'm not dissing him - if only Norwood's kick goes 3 feet further left...it's just the public has little patience, and even less mercy, when it comes to losing the important games...

[Sportsgirl]

Of course that's true, I'm not dissing him - if only Norwood's kick goes 3 feet further left...it's just the public has little patience, and even less mercy, when it comes to losing the important games...

I think the Patriots are clearly feeling the above statement today. Only the Oilers got the "Love ya blue" treatment when they returned to Texas as losers. Gotta give it to those fans.