October Advantage Gambling- Players Talk Style

Collapse
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • RudyRuetigger
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 08-24-10
    • 65084

    #1
    October Advantage Gambling- Players Talk Style
    Here is my 1st installment:


    Plays posted were 9-1.

    This month, I want to take a step back. I should have started with this advice before the football season because I see a lot of people are getting buried and don't have a clue why. This is not about attacking the books, this is about realizing who you are as a gambler and where you want to be. Just as you learn to tie your shoelaces, you first have to put on your shoes. That is how we should attack sports betting. Know who you are and what you want out of the situation before you get involved.

    People ask me why they aren't winning, why is their luck so bad, how can I win? Well, frankly you aren't winners and won't win until you make changes. You've bet 5 years in a row and lost...now you think you are going to win by doing the same fukkin thing? give me a fukkin break. There are 4 basic floors an online sportsbook will group you in.

    1. Squares: These guys are not just Joe Q. Public contrary to popular belief. You can win 57% of games lifetime and still fit into this category. Two very different type of guys fit in this, for example Zboiz and BrockLanders. Zboiz is the public and plays favorites, overs, and No runs in the first. This guy is easy to spot right out of the gate. Then you have guys like BrockLanders. Brock can go on a run and be up 10 figures in no time and cash out big money, but you never worry with guys like Brock. He does not understand lines, money management, betting patterns, and how to make +EV (thats positive expected value for you squares out there) bets. Brock will keep betting and betting until the money disappears. In November's addition, I will turn the squares into 2. so stay tuned guys.

    2. Break Even/Action Guys: A sportsbook hates these guys the most. A break even/action guy bets small amounts but wants fukkin freeplays, comps, points, and anything else you can think of. This is the type of guy that will ruin a sportsbook. You have to give him customer support, free deposits/withdrawals but always ends up around even... and when the guy is even, the sportsbook is down big because of CS, line manager, boss, overhead, dep/withdrawal fees..etc etc. These guys are the most normal, try to win a few bucks but stay even or lose slightly but cost the sportsbook money in the long run. Too many guys to name fit in this category.

    3. Semi-sharps: These are guys like fishhead, justin7, nicky santoro, zetapsi. These guys have different ways of extracting value, but all have 1 thing in common...winning. Some of these guys pound weak lines, some hedge nonstop, some get small +EV plays...no matter what, you know they aren't changing their bet size and won't lose everything on a losing streak like Brock. Another reason is they understand most of the advantage betting systems...playing weak numbers, hedging, understanding how to pound if bets correctly, correlated parlays, wong teasers, no teasing through 0, advantage 2 or 3 team parlays, pinny leans etc etc etc the list goes on and on that you first 2 groups only know 20% about but think you have a fukkin clue. All of them might not know each specifically, but for one reason or another they are semi sharp and get knocked down at a few books.

    4. 100% professionals: I've been here a total of 5 years on various names, 15 sports forums, I have seen maybe 5 in my life time. These guys can circumvent rules and limits. Guys only hope to get on the "sharp" side...well these are those "sharps" you hope to get on the same side as. 2 or 3 post here, but will not release names so do not ask.

    Guys, it is impeccable you understand which category you fit in. The best way to do this, is KEEP A FUKKIN RECORD OF YOUR BETS. The SBR spreadsheet is perfect for a simple bettor to use. If you still don't know after that, I'll look at it for you and tell you. But do not come to me with less than 600 bets, because anything can happen before that.

    Ofcourse, there are a lot more groups when you look deeper...(bonus hunter, point players only, sharp but square, square but sharp, etc etc etc) but these are the 4 main groups a book will put you in. Realize what you are and move forward if you want to.
  • rfr3sh
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 11-07-09
    • 10229

    #2
    Rudy great post
    I would rate myself 2.5
    Comment
    • RudyRuetigger
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 08-24-10
      • 65084

      #3
      Originally posted by rfr3sh
      Rudy great post
      I would rate myself 2.5
      Thanks pal, I doubt it gets many replies as it doesnt have "system" "lock" "computer play" or any other BS word involved, but is very true and hopefully sheds some light that people should be thinking what they are before they try to attack the books

      Comment
      • paco
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 05-07-09
        • 62873

        #4
        Great Post Rudy.

        Keep up the good work pal,
        Comment
        • firedawg
          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
          • 10-08-08
          • 39219

          #5
          nice job RR
          Comment
          • RudyRuetigger
            SBR Aristocracy
            • 08-24-10
            • 65084

            #6
            Originally posted by paco
            Great Post Rudy.

            Keep up the good work pal,
            you too pal.. nice call on the lions. .... was my only winner
            Comment
            • RudyRuetigger
              SBR Aristocracy
              • 08-24-10
              • 65084

              #7
              Originally posted by firedawg
              nice job RR


              on the braves RL.. when you type that much you have to drink a lot in the process
              Comment
              • rfr3sh
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 11-07-09
                • 10229

                #8
                Rudy..tell me you are leaning vikes today
                so I can start of my week with a winner
                Comment
                • firedawg
                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                  • 10-08-08
                  • 39219

                  #9
                  goodluck
                  Comment
                  • RudyRuetigger
                    SBR Aristocracy
                    • 08-24-10
                    • 65084

                    #10
                    Originally posted by rfr3sh
                    Rudy..tell me you are leaning vikes today
                    so I can start of my week with a winner
                    i was, but my sunday was so brutal i didnt bet it
                    Comment
                    • firedawg
                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                      • 10-08-08
                      • 39219

                      #11
                      jets
                      Comment
                      • rfr3sh
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 11-07-09
                        • 10229

                        #12
                        yeah me too..overall my lastweek was shit
                        but I am still up from my deposit cuz of money management
                        I wanna see if there are any big line moves before I bet this game tho
                        Comment
                        • jjgold
                          SBR Aristocracy
                          • 07-20-05
                          • 388179

                          #13
                          Great Post Rudy

                          Your the man
                          Comment
                          • brxbmbers42
                            Restricted User
                            • 07-26-10
                            • 4312

                            #14
                            im a 1.75 to 2.25
                            Comment
                            • firedawg
                              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                              • 10-08-08
                              • 39219

                              #15
                              Originally posted by brxbmbers42
                              im a 1.75 to 2.25
                              yeah me too with exeption to the bonus whoring... lol i prefer the reduced juice at 5dimes
                              Comment
                              • rfr3sh
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 11-07-09
                                • 10229

                                #16
                                Rudy call the greek tonight for a 20k wager on the vikings they will say no
                                Comment
                                • firedawg
                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                  • 10-08-08
                                  • 39219

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by rfr3sh
                                  Rudy call The Greek tonight for a 20k wager on the vikings they will say no
                                  Comment
                                  • Joe Sharp
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 06-01-09
                                    • 3011

                                    #18
                                    Jesus - This thread just made me depressed.. haha. I'd like to believe that I've had months here and there where I'd fit into #3 but in all reality when you look at my longterm trends I'm unfortunately about a 1.5.

                                    I've actually started posting plays via my spreadsheet but you can already see that I fluctuate my Units too much. I'm a finance guy - I'm all about value, hedging & definitely correlated parlays but Rudy probably hits it on the head with about 20%.

                                    Nevertheless... i've been working hard and this thread (and posts like it) are exactly why I'm here. Some call it 'trolling' but i'm simply looking to learn everything there is to learn and succeed at something that is so freakin easy to fail at.

                                    Once again - Thanks for the Info
                                    Comment
                                    • Brock Landers
                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                      • 06-30-08
                                      • 45359

                                      #19
                                      Fuk me, i have to say Rudy is a very sharp observer
                                      Comment
                                      • THE PROFIT
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 11-27-09
                                        • 17701

                                        #20
                                        good stuff, Rudy
                                        Comment
                                        • RudyRuetigger
                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                          • 08-24-10
                                          • 65084

                                          #21
                                          A lot of honest guys in here

                                          Comment
                                          • ouman101
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 12-02-09
                                            • 2815

                                            #22
                                            Rudy, so what advice would you give me, I'll put myself in category 2 (Have some winning and some losing seasons, and would obviously like to take this to all winning seasons). In the process of reading Justin7's book, and have been gaining some valuable insight from it. What else would you recommend? Reading more books, developing models, etc? Any thoughts/recommendations are gladly accepted
                                            Comment
                                            • RudyRuetigger
                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                              • 08-24-10
                                              • 65084

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by ouman101
                                              Rudy, so what advice would you give me, I'll put myself in category 2 (Have some winning and some losing seasons, and would obviously like to take this to all winning seasons). In the process of reading Justin7's book, and have been gaining some valuable insight from it. What else would you recommend? Reading more books, developing models, etc? Any thoughts/recommendations are gladly accepted
                                              i'll be going in depth each month with a different way to take it up a notch, but from step 2 to 3, your goal should be "how was each bet and did I get good value on it". Sports betting is much like poker, variance happens. Your pocket aces won't hold each time and you could be down money after 20,000 hands of online play even though you are a winner (which is why 600 bets should be a minimum).

                                              If you only play at a very few books, my advice would be to make one of them a square book, pound the weak numbers. Play the steam at a few books. Use the SBR calculators to figure out what a -10 should be on the ML when the total is 40 and pound numbers that are off. When you go from step 2 to 3, there will not be a better feeling than getting limited or banned at a book or 2. Ofcourse, when you move from step 3 to 4, your goal is to get around that and also to not use a lot of those common sharp angles in an obvious way.
                                              Comment
                                              • ouman101
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 12-02-09
                                                • 2815

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by RudyRuetigger
                                                i'll be going in depth each month with a different way to take it up a notch, but from step 2 to 3, your goal should be "how was each bet and did I get good value on it". Sports betting is much like poker, variance happens. Your pocket aces won't hold each time and you could be down money after 20,000 hands of online play even though you are a winner (which is why 600 bets should be a minimum). If you only play at a very few books, my advice would be to make one of them a square book, pound the weak numbers. Play the steam at a few books. Use the SBR calculators to figure out what a -10 should be on the ML when the total is 40 and pound numbers that are off. When you go from step 2 to 3, there will not be a better feeling than getting limited or banned at a book or 2. Ofcourse, when you move from step 3 to 4, your goal is to get around that and also to not use a lot of those common sharp angles in an obvious way.
                                                Bodog, already a member..

                                                Thanks for the advice
                                                Comment
                                                • Dank_Fire
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 05-13-09
                                                  • 2272

                                                  #25
                                                  Great Info here, THX Rudy
                                                  Comment
                                                  • GiveMeaBJ
                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                    • 09-08-09
                                                    • 8449

                                                    #26
                                                    Great post.

                                                    What do I fit in Rudy?
                                                    Comment
                                                    • Jonah
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 10-21-09
                                                      • 4042

                                                      #27
                                                      Solid post. I take it guys that are giving themselves 2+ are adding some sort of combination of 1 and 2...j/k

                                                      Forum Sharp - would be sub category that I see a lot...Basically this person takes solace in knowing what a square play looks like and tries to avoid it, not necessarily capitalize on it using showing necessary discretion...Much more to this, but in summary this person knows just enough to be dangerous, especially if they have an addictive personality.
                                                      Comment
                                                      • TR88
                                                        Restricted User
                                                        • 06-10-10
                                                        • 9364

                                                        #28
                                                        .....u forgot to mention people like me who got inside information of the games they are betting on
                                                        Comment
                                                        • RudyRuetigger
                                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                                          • 08-24-10
                                                          • 65084

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by GiveMeaBJ
                                                          Great post.

                                                          What do I fit in Rudy?
                                                          I can't know for sure without alot of information but #1 can clearly be eliminated.


                                                          Originally posted by Dank_Fire
                                                          Great Info here, THX Rudy
                                                          Comment
                                                          • Doc JS
                                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                                            • 09-15-06
                                                            • 6885

                                                            #30
                                                            Rudy,
                                                            Post of the day, week, month, and year!
                                                            I realize I'm a square. I'll start keeping my bets on the SBR spreadsheet, working toward my 600 bets. Looking forward to your next installment!

                                                            Doc
                                                            Comment
                                                            • pavyracer
                                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                                              • 04-12-07
                                                              • 82839

                                                              #31
                                                              No need to keep a record to be sharp. Collecting monthly payouts is the proof. And it doesn't matter how you do it. You could be playing the most square bets on the board. As long you grow your bankroll and cash out you don't need to worry about keeping records of picks.
                                                              Comment
                                                              • jgray
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 09-06-09
                                                                • 3599

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by pavyracer
                                                                No need to keep a record to be sharp. Collecting monthly payouts is the proof. And it doesn't matter how you do it. You could be playing the most square bets on the board. As long you grow your bankroll and cash out you don't need to worry about keeping records of picks.
                                                                OK, so the professional can skip the record keeping and just collect checks. How about everyone else Pavy? Wouldn't record keeping help those players? I would think records would help a player evaluate where they might be leaking cash and improve their overall profitability.
                                                                Comment
                                                                • Cougar Bait
                                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                                  • 10-04-07
                                                                  • 18282

                                                                  #33
                                                                  I keep records of all my plays, and my signature is accurate.

                                                                  I think it's time I accept the fact that I was initially wrong about Rudy.

                                                                  Rudy is already a top 5 poster here, that's just a fact. Rudy, you will be getting a video this week.
                                                                  Comment
                                                                  • firedawg
                                                                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                    • 10-08-08
                                                                    • 39219

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Cougar Bait
                                                                    I keep records of all my plays, and my signature is accurate.

                                                                    I think it's time I accept the fact that I was initially wrong about Rudy.

                                                                    Rudy is already a top 5 poster here, that's just a fact. Rudy, you will be getting a video this week.
                                                                    Comment
                                                                    • pavyracer
                                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                                      • 04-12-07
                                                                      • 82839

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by jgray
                                                                      OK, so the professional can skip the record keeping and just collect checks. How about everyone else Pavy? Wouldn't record keeping help those players? I would think records would help a player evaluate where they might be leaking cash and improve their overall profitability.
                                                                      You either have gambling instinct and money management or you don't. Most of my winnings come from split second decisions on a flaw I noticed during the game regarding a specific team while watching the game.
                                                                      Comment
                                                                      Search
                                                                      Collapse
                                                                      SBR Contests
                                                                      Collapse
                                                                      Top-Rated US Sportsbooks
                                                                      Collapse
                                                                      Working...