What Scares Me About Giants................

[The Seer]

230 was considered big back in the day. Now it's nothing for guys to weigh 330. I'll give you an example of heart vs pure size and skill. We had a D-lineman this year who played with total heart. The kid was 5'8" and weighed 200. He was one of the better defensive linemen in the area for high school. The kid had a motor that wouldn't stop running. He was tough and never came out of the game on O or D. We got in the playoffs and he had to line up against a kid that was 6'6" and weighed 300+. The big guy looked lazy in warm ups. When the game started the big kid blew off of the ball and literally drove our kid 20 yards to the sidelines, then out of bounds into a parked golf cart. As soon as that happened I knew we were going to get blown out and did. Heart only helps win everything else is equal.

[ShamsWoof10]

In some ways this reminds me of the days leading up the 1993 Sugar Bowl. Miami was heavily favored. Not many people thought Alabama could stay with them. They had the offense with a Heismann QB and those fast receivers. A dominating D. Shoot...even I was a bit surprised by the results when they stepped off the field.

I remember that... I was one of them too that didn't give "Bama" much of a shot... If the Giants win this will remind me of the Rams/Pats Super Bowl...

I am so confident that Pats are going to win that I already place orders for sh*t I need to make more Pats helmets... Like I said I barely remember what other teams helmets look like anymore...

230 was considered big back in the day. Now it's nothing for guys to weigh 330. I'll give you an example of heart vs pure size and skill. We had a D-lineman this year who played with total heart. The kid was 5'8" and weighed 200. He was one of the better defensive linemen in the area for high school. The kid had a motor that wouldn't stop running. He was tough and never came out of the game on O or D. We got in the playoffs and he had to line up against a kid that was 6'6" and weighed 300+. The big guy looked lazy in warm ups. When the game started the big kid blew off of the ball and literally drove our kid 20 yards to the sidelines, then out of bounds into a parked golf cart. As soon as that happened I knew we were going to get blown out and did. Heart only helps win everything else is equal.

Good example and I have seen plenty of those as well.. I am sure you'll agree that it's much more satisfying to coach that kid who motor doesn't stop and has the heart to want to be there everyday...

[RageWizard]

I'm done getting "scared" of any of the New England opponents. I got off that band wagon two weeks ago. The giants were lucky to lose by only 3 points in the regular season. The score doesn't show who played better or who's talent played best.

[The Seer]

Good example and I have seen plenty of those as well.. I am sure you'll agree that it's much more satisfying to coach that kid who motor doesn't stop and has the heart to want to be there everyday...

Yeah, but I'd like a couple of those human plows too.

[MBENZ]

How many on here badmouthing the old Steelers were actually no more than a gleam in their daddys eye when this team was on the field?Back then it was raw power and Franco would run through the pats D like swiss cheese.I like the pats to win this,but acting like the guys of the 70's are a bunch of powderpuffs is friggin rediculous.

[Sportsgirl]

How many on here badmouthing the old Steelers were actually no more than a gleam in their daddys eye when this team was on the field?Back then it was raw power and Franco would run through the pats D like swiss cheese.I like the pats to win this,but acting like the guys of the 70's are a bunch of powderpuffs is friggin rediculous.

Amen!

[TexansFan]

Absolutely not. There's nobody that's scoring 40 points on a defense that dominated the league like the 1985 Chicago Bears.

Let me put it simply. The Chicago defense of 1985 was at least as dominant as the New England offense of 2007. Perhaps you can argue that the 2007 New England defense is more sound than the 1985 Chicago offense but I'd see it as a close one.

I disagree. This NE offense would score on Chicago easily. Ever since the rule change allowing receivers to go basically untouched would hurt that Chicago team. The NE offensive lineman would have their way with the defensive line of Chicago.

Different era of football. Players of today are bigger, stronger and faster. Remember the Hogs for Washington in the 80's? They were the biggest offensive line in football. They probably weighed about 280-300. Brady and his receivers would carve up that Chicago defense.

[RageWizard]

Bottom line is the best team has the best record. When you don't lose in a season, that kind of lends people to believe that you might be able to handle all challengers. Everyyear there are teams with killer defense, rushing, passing, kicking, you name it. So if you beat everybody in front of you, your at least tied for the best nowadays.

[TexansFan]

How many on here badmouthing the old Steelers were actually no more than a gleam in their daddys eye when this team was on the field?Back then it was raw power and Franco would run through the pats D like swiss cheese.I like the pats to win this,but acting like the guys of the 70's are a bunch of powderpuffs is friggin rediculous.

I remember well my Oiler's battles with Pitt in the 70's. Renfro caught that ball dammit!!!

It's very difficult to compare different era in sports but you do have to admit that today's athletes are much bigger, stronger and faster. Some of the guys who played back then wouldn't even make the roster in today's game imo.

[Sportsgirl]

I remember well my Oiler's battles with Pitt in the 70's. Renfro caught that ball dammit!!!

did not.


My favorite Oilers game? Gotta be the '92 match up with the Bills

[TexansFan]

did not.


My favorite Oilers game? Gotta be the '92 match up with the Bills

Did 2!!

Seen it on replay many times and he was in. Freaking refs gave the game to Pitt just like their last SB win.

[MBENZ]

I remember well my Oiler's battles with Pitt in the 70's. Renfro caught that ball dammit!!!

It's very difficult to compare different era in sports but you do have to admit that today's athletes are much bigger, stronger and faster. Some of the guys who played back then wouldn't even make the roster in today's game imo.

I'll admit bigger and faster,but I won't admit stronger.Players today break easy and go to the bench whereas the old boys shook it off and went on.Training facilities are much,much better these days,but they don't teach raw power.

[Sportsgirl]

Did 2!!

Seen it on replay many times and he was in.

Prejudice.

[The Seer]

Back then it was raw power and Franco would run through the pats D like swiss cheese.

[5 star bomb]

230 was considered big back in the day. Now it's nothing for guys to weigh 330. I'll give you an example of heart vs pure size and skill. We had a D-lineman this year who played with total heart. The kid was 5'8" and weighed 200. He was one of the better defensive linemen in the area for high school. The kid had a motor that wouldn't stop running. He was tough and never came out of the game on O or D. We got in the playoffs and he had to line up against a kid that was 6'6" and weighed 300+. The big guy looked lazy in warm ups. When the game started the big kid blew off of the ball and literally drove our kid 20 yards to the sidelines, then out of bounds into a parked golf cart. As soon as that happened I knew we were going to get blown out and did. Heart only helps win everything else is equal.

Yeah you are right on here... My playing weight I was at 200 lbs give or take 5 lbs here or there but I played Middle Linebacker at 200 lbs because I was are hardest hitter and could run sideline to sideline but when we would face off against some of the huge teams in the state I had 260 lb fullbacks blocking me and 280 lb lineman blocking me and those big fukks were hard as hell to shed off and make a play. When I played in college for 1 year I was moved back to free safety because of just how big football players are now days. Its ridiculous. There was a 250 lb linebacker on my college team that ran a 4.4 40 yard dash... its just amazing how much it has changed with medicine and weight lifting programs, supplements and etc

[TexansFan]

I'll admit bigger and faster,but I won't admit stronger.Players today break easy and go to the bench whereas the old boys shook it off and went on.Training facilities are much,much better these days,but they don't teach raw power.

I would think if a person was bigger then they would probably be stronger. Not always, but more than likely. These offensive lineman today are freaking monsters. Hell, the defensive lineman can run just as fast as some of the offensive players of today.

[Sportsgirl]

What are you laughing at?

[The Seer]

What are you laughing at?

That someone could think that would happen now. I've seen both eras and I'm still much involved with the game. There's no way.

[5 star bomb]

That someone could think that would happen now. I've seen both eras and I'm still much involved with the game. There's no way.

Yeah but if you put those guys in this era they would be just as good. I think the big part that everyone is missing is the offensive game plans now days compared to the old school ways. Now days you have for example the Pats using the spread offense with the single back set all the time. Spreading the field and throwing 30,40,50 passes a game when back in the day it was mostly smash mouth football.

[MBENZ]

Yeah but if you put those guys in this era they would be just as good. I think the big part that everyone is missing is the offensive game plans now days compared to the old school ways. Now days you have for example the Pats using the spread offense with the single back set all the time. Spreading the field and throwing 30,40,50 passes a game when back in the day it was mostly smash mouth football.

THANK YOU.

[TexansFan]

Yeah but if you put those guys in this era they would be just as good. I think the big part that everyone is missing is the offensive game plans now days compared to the old school ways. Now days you have for example the Pats using the spread offense with the single back set all the time. Spreading the field and throwing 30,40,50 passes a game when back in the day it was mostly smash mouth football.

Like I said earlier, the biggest difference is the rule allowing the receivers to run all over the field without being touched. Once they reach that 5 yard mark it's hands off. This gives the offense an extreme advantage over the defense.

[Sportsgirl]

There's no way.

Wanna bet?

[Crayzee]

i STILL dont think the pats played "all out" in that game
i still dont think they ever played "all out" after they had everything sewed up
i dont think they cared about going undefeated

they will play "all out" on sunday and will overmatch the giants by a wide margin i predict

[RageWizard]

i STILL dont think the pats played "all out" in that game
i still dont think they ever played "all out" after they had everything sewed up
i dont think they cared about going undefeated

they will play "all out" on sunday and will overmatch the giants by a wide margin i predict

I agree, the pats will let it hang on Sunday, because this is like the money shot for the whloe year. That's all they have been saying is "were trying to prepare for the playoffs" and now it will be paying off in the Super Bowl. I don't think the Giants have a chance at all. it will be another sleeper by halftime. People like swedes will be watching afterwares by outside of the Northeast, the T.V. will be showing the game to a empty room.

[pavyracer]

This game reminds me of the Patriots first Superbowl where the Rams were favored by 2 touchdowns and the Pats won whereas this time is the Giants that will be doing the favor to Pats.

[Wrigley]

Jacobs is tough to stop but if Giants get behind a couple TD, Giants will be forced to throw and he wont be a factor

[ShamsWoof10]

How many on here badmouthing the old Steelers were actually no more than a gleam in their daddys eye when this team was on the field?Back then it was raw power and Franco would run through the pats D like swiss cheese.I like the pats to win this,but acting like the guys of the 70's are a bunch of powderpuffs is friggin rediculous.

NO IT'S NOT ...you want to see ridiulous.. why not start matching them up player vs. player... You'll see how ridiculous it is then...

Bring out some stats and photos of the old a*s OLine's of Pitts. and Chicago's...

If you took Johnathen Ogden back to the 70's he would swallow Jack Lambert... Let's see here he went up against Dwight Freenie... and now Richard Dent should give him problems...

RAW POWER..? Well I would say tacking Franco would be much easier then Jacobs.<<< now that's power... f*ck Franco...

[MBENZ]

Shams,it's only a discussion that can't be proven or disproven,so don't stroke out over it

[jjgold]

I keep going back and forth on this game

It is going to be real tight or a fukkin blowout for PAts


No in between

[Poker_Beast]

GO GIANTS keep the upsets rolling!

[purecarnagge]

When has NE stopped the run all year, they just outscored running teams by 20 points. Forced them to pass and they were bad at it.

Giants can play some D against NE. They won't impose there will on the patriots but they can take moss away they can get a good pass rush, make some plays, get some turnovers. Turnovers win/lose games.