Where do you rank GRANT FUHR on the alltime GOALIE list?

Fishhead · 09-28-10, 08:29 AM

Keep in mind.........

SAVE PCT.....887
GAA.........3.38

Regul8er · 09-28-10, 08:31 AM

I dont think he makes my top 20 list.

He gets a lot of credit because of all his Stanley Cup wins (any keeper could have won with the Oilers in the 80's) and his cat like reflexs and quick glove hand, resulting in alot of flashy stops. He had a tendency to lose focus easily, and give up some bad goals......hence his career 887 save percentage.

bruceBRUCEbruce · 09-28-10, 08:32 AM

All-time? Probably one of the top 20, had a money glove hand, was clutch, won a handful of cups, played on a team that wasn't too interested in playing defense, very athletic goalie, fun to watch. top 20.

PuckOff · 09-28-10, 08:33 AM

yeah it's hard to say really. He had a pretty solid D and explosive offense in front of him in Edmonton. Show me a solid D and I'll show you a solid goalie. Show me a solid goalie and I'll show you a solid coach.

PuckOff · 09-28-10, 08:36 AM

Originally posted by bruceBRUCEbruce

All-time? Probably one of the top 20, had a money glove hand, was clutch, won a handful of cups, played on a team that wasn't too interested in playing defense, very athletic goalie, fun to watch. top 20.

Edmonton's D in the early to late 80's was pretty darn solid. YOu also have to remember back in the 80's and early 90's goal scoring was WAAAAAAAAAAAAY up. You had guys scoring 50, 60, 70, 80, 90 goals a season.

PuckOff · 09-28-10, 08:37 AM

Fishy,

How do you know about Grant Fuhr? Are you from Canada?

Regul8er · 09-28-10, 08:38 AM

Just to name a few ahead of Fuhr, in no particular order, I would say:

Roy, Brodeur, Hasek, Esposito, Hall, Billy Smith, Cheevers, Parent, Broda, Dryden, Plante, Sawchuk, Bower, Belfour....

I think you can start making an argument from about 15 and above.

Fishhead · 09-28-10, 08:38 AM

Originally posted by PuckOff

Fishy,

How do you know about Grant Fuhr? Are you from Canada?

I'm 50 years old and followed hockey since I was 7 years old............in Iowa.

bruceBRUCEbruce · 09-28-10, 08:41 AM

Originally posted by PuckOff

Edmonton's D in the early to late 80's was pretty darn solid.

this topic interested me, and I did a quick google that revealed a list that ranked Fuhr at #17 and said this:

17 – Grant Fuhr - Speaking of money goaltenders, there are few that were as good at key moments than this backbone of the powerful 80s era Edmonton Oilers. Fuhr’s numbers might pale in comparison to many others, and he only earned a single Vezina Trophy in his career, but let’s be honest, he didn’t exactly have a very defensive-minded team playing in front of him.

Regul8er · 09-28-10, 08:41 AM

They dont have the rings to support my argument, but I would have preferred to have Liut, CuJo, Hextall or Vernon in between the pipes.

AMBlai01 · 09-28-10, 08:41 AM

I would say he is in the lower part of the top 20...maybe top 25.

All the reasons that are listed above.

Everyone seems to think you need an all-time great goalie to win a Stanley Cup, and while it does help...majority of the time if you have a good team and defense you can win with a good (but not great) goalie.

PuckOff · 09-28-10, 09:02 AM

Amby knows his shit!!!

Look at Niemi last year in Chicago. Look at Osgood in Detroit. Let's face it. Osgood is not and was not a world class elite goalie.

Regul8er · 09-28-10, 09:17 AM

Tom Barrasso won 2 cups........same class as Osgood.

blueghost · 09-28-10, 09:20 AM

his goals against avg. was good enough to win a bunch of cups backing up a team with maybe the best offensive teams in the history of the NHL..maybe a top 20 thats it..

Swinging Johnson · 09-28-10, 09:56 AM

Fishy, this is a great topic. I am a former goaltender myself and always love watching the pros do it. Personally, I always ranked Fuhr as the best but as Regul8r pointed out, I was shocked to see how low his save % was and started to second guess myself. I truly believe the inordinantly large pads they wear now is a huge benefit for the goalies of today. I think the padding is simply too big to be honest.

Fuhr was the first of the athletic goaltenders. Today, that's all they are. Although I've been a Bruins fan all my life I can't say Cheevers ever did it for me. He was an angle goalie who wouldn't have the reflexes for today's game. I'll tell you a few of my favorite unheralded goaltenders are: Andy Moog ( backed up Fuhr and he was sensational in Boston as a starter), Dennis Heron (maybe it's because he had a cool mask), John Vanbiesbrouck (made a nice tandem with Mike Richter for the Rangers).

Great thread Fish.

ronald · 09-28-10, 10:12 AM

Fish,

Had the pleasure of watching Grant Fuhr live and on television many times growing up. Fuhr was an excellent "big game" goalie. He won Stanley Cups and Canada Cups. Fuhr was a very cool customer which is likely why he thrived under pressure. During the regular season, he would often let in bad goals in meaningless games. The Oilers would win 8-5 because Fuhr checked out mentally after they were up 8-1. There is a legendary story about Fuhr golfing 36 holes the day before Game 7 of the Stanley Cup final in 1987. When asked how he could golf 36 holes the day before the biggest game of his life, his response was: "Because there wasn't enough time to golf 54."

Anyways, I would rank him definitely in the Top 20 because he always answered the bell when something was on the line. As others have pointed out here, he also played in an era where goals were being scored at a crazy pace. A 6-5 game was the norm. Those were the best days to be a hockey fan, in my opinion. The game has gone downhill since the early 1990s.

Swinging Johnson · 09-28-10, 10:16 AM

Originally posted by ronald

Fish,

Had the pleasure of watching Grant Fuhr live and on television many times growing up. Fuhr was an excellent "big game" goalie. He won Stanley Cups and Canada Cups. Fuhr was a very cool customer which is likely why he thrived under pressure. During the regular season, he would often let in bad goals in meaningless games. The Oilers would win 8-5 because Fuhr checked out mentally after they were up 8-1. There is a legendary story about Fuhr golfing 36 holes the day before Game 7 of the Stanley Cup final in 1987. When asked how he could golf 36 holes the day before the biggest game of his life, his response was: "Because there wasn't enough time to golf 54."

Anyways, I would rank him definitely in the Top 20 because he always answered the bell when something was on the line. As others have pointed out here, he also played in an era where goals were being scored at a crazy pace. A 6-5 game was the norm. Those were the best days to be a hockey fan, in my opinion. The game has gone downhill since the early 1990s.

Your last name wouldn't happen to be McDonald, would it?