What is GB thinking????........LET THEM SCORE

[KingJIM]

Agree worst call was the challenge. That set up the bad call to not let bears score.

Pavy

Bears didn't start last few plays @ 5yrd line after PI penalty
1st and 9 at GB 9M.Forte right tackle to GB 3 for 6 yards (A.Hawk). 2nd and 3 at GB 3M.Forte right guard to GB 1 for 2 yards (B.Raji). Timeout #3 by GB at 00:53. 3rd and 1 at GB 1M.Forte right guard to GB 1 for no gain (M.Burnett). Timeout #3 by CHI at 00:08.

[KingJIM]

ur right. that was a completed pass and then fumble.

But Green Bay didn't recover the ball in the pile up, Chicago came away with it.

[brxbmbers42]

But Green Bay didn't recover the ball in the pile up, Chicago came away with it.

are u sure. i thought green bay did, but the official immediately blew whistle to signal incomplete. but if challenged it would go to who recovered i believe regardless of whistle. they note who comes out of the pile with it just in case that happens

[BrentCrude]

** Carthy is a decent coach that has mental defects.As long as he's coaching the Packers,it will be a team full of potential that has numerous brain farts every game.

[brxbmbers42]

** Carthy is a decent coach that has mental defects.As long as he's coaching the Packers,it will be a team full of potential that has numerous brain farts every game.

agree. he does look like he has a touch of retardation.

[talnted]

sucks yo just how the ball bounces some times

[jackj]

Re: the possible GB interception, did you notice the Packer after the play smiling, in a knowing way that he hadn't caught the ball? I don't think there was a question of it being an interception.
As for the non-decision to let them run it in...?! Inexcusable. There WILL be hell to pay in WI in the coming days.

[jackj]

Overall, the game was just laughable. The Packers got the roughing the passer call which shouldn't have been called, the GB pass interference that decided the game should have been a no call, or if anything, the offense should have been called! GB can't run the ball, the Bears can't pass it, and finally they should have lost to the Lions in week 1! In short, the NFL sucks.

[LVHerbie]

Clearly time to open up FishheadNFLConsulting...

[JDUB07]

Worst decision I've ever seen in my life. Was woeful woeful woeful decision. If I had a 3D TV I would have bitch slapped McCarthy in the face.

[makemerich]

ye awas a pretty shitty game. gb played way better but too much fucken mistakes from the def line

[ericthegangster]

GB is on of the worst coached teams in the NFL right up with the 49ers.

yeah that dom capers guy is a real idiot...

[slacker00]

If you are pointing to a mistake GB made, "Let them score" is way way way down the list. What does this change the odds of 1% of winning (missed FG) to 2% chance of winning (Give them the TD, GB scores back and wins in OT)? It's barely worth talking about. Besides, I bet the Chicago guy would just lay down at the 1 yard line anyway.

[pavyracer]

If you are pointing to a mistake GB made, "Let them score" is way way way down the list. What does this change the odds of 1% of winning (missed FG) to 2% chance of winning (Give them the TD, GB scores back and wins in OT)? It's barely worth talking about. Besides, I bet the Chicago guy would just lay down at the 1 yard line anyway.

This is what I was trying to tell them last night. Forte had no intention to score a TD. He was told to hit their line and go down 3 times in a row so they can use their remaining timeout and run the clock down to 5 seconds with the play clock. So even if GB opened up a 10 ft hole in front of him he was not going to go through and score a TD.

[Fishhead]

this is what i was trying to tell them last night. Forte had no intention to score a td. He was told to hit their line and go down 3 times in a row so they can use their remaining timeout and run the clock down to 5 seconds with the play clock. So even if gb opened up a 10 ft hole in front of him he was not going to go through and score a td.

did you even watch the game???......wow.....someone explain to this guy that forte was going in on 1st down

[pavyracer]

did you even watch the game???......wow.....someone explain to this guy that forte was going in on 1st down

Yes I watched the game. Forte was heading for the 1 yard line for a knee down if he wasn't tackled. Brian Westbrook and Maurice Drew Jones did it before for the Eagles and Jaguars. This is what teams who know how to win games do. It wasn't a no brainer.

[Richkas]

Its really not worth arguing about. With all the db's chicago would have had in there playing prevent, I doubt GB would have scored.

[gravy]

Green Bay better get a running back soon as Brandon Jackson isnt a every down back

[pavyracer]

Its really not worth arguing about. With all the db's chicago would have had in there playing prevent, I doubt GB would have scored.

Yeah but why take a risk for a pass interference call when you can finish the game with 5 seconds left and a cheap shot to score at home. Clock management is very underrated in the NFL because most people think the purpose of the game is to keep scoring points. The purpose of the game is to go ahead and win without leaving any time for your opponent to come back even if it looks ugly for the viewers.

[BookieOweMe]

tough hit

[Richkas]

Yeah but why take a risk for a pass interference call when you can finish the game with 5 seconds left and a cheap shot to score at home. Clock management is very underrated in the NFL because most people think the purpose of the game is to keep scoring points. The purpose of the game is to go ahead and win without leaving any time for your opponent to come back even if it looks ugly for the viewers.

Why didnt they take three knees then?

[pavyracer]

Why didnt they take three knees then?

They never take knees for the viewers. It looks like Forte is actually trying hard to score but all he does is holding the ball tight with both hands and falls on the back of his lineman by himself. It looks better than a knee and the protection scheme for a knee is different.

[Faustman]

Choked

[Faustman]

But Bears bettors not complaining

[JACK MATZ]

Simple math.
Should have let the bears score.

[KingJIM]

They never take knees for the viewers. It looks like Forte is actually trying hard to score but all he does is holding the ball tight with both hands and falls on the back of his lineman by himself. It looks better than a knee and the protection scheme for a knee is different.

Your actually describing Forte's normal running from a yard out. He didn't get in 3 times versus the Lions from a yard or less in week 1. The first play from the 9 was actually one of his best runs all year and the 2nd run was an above-average carry for this year. The third was him running into the lineman like about half of his rushes this year.

[aggieshawn]

i bet the unders on each team. loved the result.

[d2bets]

If you are pointing to a mistake GB made, "Let them score" is way way way down the list. What does this change the odds of 1% of winning (missed FG) to 2% chance of winning (Give them the TD, GB scores back and wins in OT)? It's barely worth talking about. Besides, I bet the Chicago guy would just lay down at the 1 yard line anyway.

Didn't look like Forte was just going down. If they let them score around 1:30 as they could have, I mean, Rodgers definitely would have had a chance, way more than 2%. More like 20%. And then it's OT, so maybe 10%. 10% vs. 1%. Pretty big difference.

[KingJIM]

If you are pointing to a mistake GB made, "Let them score" is way way way down the list. What does this change the odds of 1% of winning (missed FG) to 2% chance of winning (Give them the TD, GB scores back and wins in OT)? It's barely worth talking about. Besides, I bet the Chicago guy would just lay down at the 1 yard line anyway.

Advanced NFL Stats, Brian Burke’s historical research showed that teams have lost 97 percent of the time when they followed McCarthy’s approach by allowing the clock to wind down for a last-second gimmee field goal.

Historically, teams have lost 90 percent of the time when put in the situation the Packers would have been in by letting them score on first down.

Burke: By not allowing CHI to score the TD on 1st down, McCarthy cut his chances of winning from about 10% to about 3%. Neither prospect is very appealing, but every little bit matters.

[captrobey]

cost me big-im on a horrible losing streak

[d2bets]

Advanced NFL Stats, Brian Burke’s historical research showed that teams have lost 97 percent of the time when they followed McCarthy’s approach by allowing the clock to wind down for a last-second gimmee field goal.

Historically, teams have lost 90 percent of the time when put in the situation the Packers would have been in.

Burke: By not allowing CHI to score the TD on 1st down, McCarthy cut his chances of winning from about 10% to about 3%. Neither prospect is very appealing, but every little bit matters.

I don't see how it was even 3%. GB had only 3 chances:

1. Gould missed what amounted to an extra point. Gould hasn't missed a PAT since his rookie season (160 in a row). This chance is damn near neglible, less than 1%.
2. Fumble. That was the only thing Forte was instructed. I can see if GB was only trying to force a fumble and then let him in. Other, negligble again.
3. Score with the 4 seconds left. This isn't Stanford/Cal. No effing way. Again, less than 1%.

I think these total maybe 1%. 3% is high.

Edit: just looked at that link and they're claiming a 94% success rate for that FG. Haha, who the eff are they kidding? I should also add that Gould is 39-39 on FG's from 20-29. So combined with PAT's that's 200 in a row. 94% is easily more than 99%.

[zert]

Yes I thought they had more of a chance if they would of let the bears score a td right away. The refs would have also had a chance to give back some make up calls.

[KingJIM]

I don't see how it was even 3%. GB had only 3 chances:

1. Gould missed what amounted to an extra point. Gould hasn't missed a PAT since his rookie season (160 in a row). This chance is damn near neglible, less than 1%.
2. Fumble. That was the only thing Forte was instructed. I can see if GB was only trying to force a fumble and then let him in. Other, negligble again.
3. Score with the 4 seconds left. This isn't Stanford/Cal. No effing way. Again, less than 1%.

I think these total maybe 1%. 3% is high.

Well those are historical numbers. I have to agree with you that with a kicker as good as Gould it might be lower than 3%. I also think it would be higher than 10% for Green Bay to score and win in over time because they were moving the ball through the air quite easily.

[jayroy25]

Tell me about it could of changed game