No more black quarterbacks?

[MB]

Who gives a shit about race and the QB position. If you're good, play. If you suck, get the **** out. I will say this though...in the history of the NFL, there's been good white QB's and an overwhelming amount of crappy white QB's. It's a tough position...give blacks the chance to be crappy for awhile. Not long ago, there was an issue with the low number of blacks playing the position, so don't act like the black QB has been playing for 100 years in the league. Calm down on the race shit y'all. Damn.

btw John Elway is the greatest QB ever

[freelee]

Young and Garrard out, injured.

Trent Edwards and Kerry Collins in.

It's offically mcnabb as the lone starter left

[frizzelli]

It's offically mcnabb as the lone starter left

Your a fackin clown you must of been really disappointed when the White Power Forward got extincted.

[freelee]

Your a fackin clown you must of been really disappointed when the White Power Forward got extincted.

why whites in general are clearly not as good at basketball and running back as blacks
which you have no problem admitting but when ******* out the black quarterback has been a massive failure you call me a racist clown

[Little Mac]

McNabb of course and a semi starting Vick

[frizzelli]

why whites in general are clearly not as good at basketball and running back as blacks
which you have no problem admitting but when ******* out the black quarterback has been a massive failure you call me a racist clown

good day editing because i cant afford infraction good luck with this thread

[freelee]

No I call you a racist clown because all your threads garbage and your avatar is ignorant and everything that comes outta your mouth is verbal trash. Your useless and if I was a bitter fack like you I would go throw myself in front of a train.
God Bless

why is it ok to say blacks are better than whites but the reverse is racism? Did you have a problem with Bush because i sure did

[NYSportsGuy210]

I'm glad to see a lot of support in this thread based on facts and not skin color i wish some of the people who are claiming racism would explain themselves a little. i'm going to keep track this season of black quarterbacks vs white quarterbacks and just so nobody can claim racism i'll also bump the thread for white running backs vs black running backs

Danny Woodhead is the great white hype....err....hope sir.

[NYSportsGuy210]

[quote=ANGRYBLACK;6940183]

In Iraq right now 7 hours ahead of Eastern time. Watched a few games last night and this morning. LOL!!! Ran around all day. I haven't slept since Saturday night. Anyways it's 00:15 over here and I'm about to lay it down. I saw the red line from spell check come up, but I was too lazy to change it. I only correct my spelling when writing bytches on Facebook and stuff, not on this site. OOPS!!! Did I spell "bytches" correctly? It is what it is. I have a degree. I know how to spell, thank you. I'm Air Force, not Army. LOL!!! You wiggin' out over one spelling error out of all the shyt I wrote leads me to believe that I'm smashing more Taliban chicks over here than you're getting American trim in the states. BWAhahaahaahaa!!! Relax a bit man. This isn't English class. Go have some beers or get some pvssy, because there is more important things to concentrate on in this thread than my typo. Or is it "then"?!?

Really? You're gettin Taliban chicks? Who's the brotha in your avatar? Is that really you with all those white chicks?

[High3rEl3m3nt]

I think it's important to look past the current trend and ask the question: why are more whites playing baseball than blacks? or why are more whites quarterback than blacks? Anytime you connect race to a sport or position within a sport, I'd argue that there are underlying cultural, economic, educational, and historical biases that account for the majority of racial gaps in sports. For example, if you just look at the NBA and say Blacks are better ballplayers, you are ignoring huge factors that contribute to these trends. It's too easy to say blacks at this and whites are better at that...but the differences aren't so much ethnic based as they are societal. Just my two sense.

[ANGRYBLACK]

[quote=NYSportsGuy210;6950669]

Really? You're gettin Taliban chicks? Who's the brotha in your avatar? Is that really you with all those white chicks?

Haaahaa! No, I was just being sarcastic. Plenty of Air Force chicks over here, though. That's a Filipino, German, me, an American, and some fat Filipino chick in the picture. I always include myself in my avatars...

[ANGRYBLACK]

I think it's important to look past the current trend and ask the question: why are more whites playing baseball than blacks? or why are more whites quarterback than blacks? Anytime you connect race to a sport or position within a sport, I'd argue that there are underlying cultural, economic, educational, and historical biases that account for the majority of racial gaps in sports. For example, if you just look at the NBA and say Blacks are better ballplayers, you are ignoring huge factors that contribute to these trends. It's too easy to say blacks at this and whites are better at that...but the differences aren't so much ethnic based as they are societal. Just my two sense.

Ditto. That's exactly what I was trying to get at...

[mcbaseball10]

I think it's important to look past the current trend and ask the question: why are more whites playing baseball than blacks? or why are more whites quarterback than blacks? Anytime you connect race to a sport or position within a sport, I'd argue that there are underlying cultural, economic, educational, and historical biases that account for the majority of racial gaps in sports. For example, if you just look at the NBA and say Blacks are better ballplayers, you are ignoring huge factors that contribute to these trends. It's too easy to say blacks at this and whites are better at that...but the differences aren't so much ethnic based as they are societal. Just my two sense.

Well said.

[Glitch]

way more white QBs have won because theres always been way more of them in the league. Its been at an all-time high lately and black qbs are still significantly outnumbered. if a bowl has 9 red jellybeans and 1 green one, youre usually gonna get a red one when you reach in and pluck one out randomly. white qbs have probably outnumbered black ones at a rate of at least 43 to 1 since the superbowl started.

[JayTrotter]

I am not sure this is a matter of race. Running QBs suck, with the exception of Mike Vick. Mobility is highly over rated as a QB skill. The position requires decision making, accuracy, and awareness. Those things will make up for being slow, and fat. (Phillip Rivers)

The wildcat doesn't work very well. Black, white or Mexican if you are running to run as a QB, most likely it is because you are not an effective passer or decision maker. These two qualities are more important than mobility.. The question is why the coaches are still exploring the way to turn a runner into a great QB... It kind of reminds me of how they are trying to make "the Rock" into a movie star..

[Snowball]

Cunningham, Moon, McNair, McNabb were surely all good enough to win a Superbowl. It's just one of those things that hasn't happenned yet.
When it happens they will make a bigger deal of it than it deserves to be.

[NYSportsGuy210]

[quote=ANGRYBLACK;6953737]

Haaahaa! No, I was just being sarcastic. Plenty of Air Force chicks over here, though. That's a Filipino, German, me, an American, and some fat Filipino chick in the picture. I always include myself in my avatars...

Where was that picture taken and how did you get those girls to agree to take of their pants like that? Did you get to tap any of those?

[freelee]

way more white QBs have won because theres always been way more of them in the league. Its been at an all-time high lately and black qbs are still significantly outnumbered. if a bowl has 9 red jellybeans and 1 green one, youre usually gonna get a red one when you reach in and pluck one out randomly. white qbs are have probably outnumbered black ones at a rate of at least 43 to 1 since the superbowl started.

that's probably the same reason why whites aren't winning the NBA finals MVP

[kcDdegenerate]

this is what you have to offer in a gambling forum?

[DroppinDimes]

I see it as you can do whatever you want if you put your mind to it. The best golfer in the world is black, and the best rapper in the world is white. End of story.

[EricZ116]

Tiger Woods is no longer the best golfer in the world, and I'm not sure how you judge best rapper it's kind of like being really good at something really bad. Like the best badminton player.

[C-Gold]

I just read this entire thread and here are my comments...

There's been Warren Moon ( Yes a good QB and black)
Randell Cunningham ( Yes a good QB and black)
and Donovan Mcnabb ( Yes a good QB and black)
The rest of the black QB's have all been failed experiments, no bigger than Michael Vick.

The funny thing is that the networks are so PC that they always have a white broadcaster with black commentators or Vice Versa. God forbid you don't but a black person on a 2 person newscast in a country that is 11% black.

Anyway I'd say that Donovan Mcnabb & Tony Romo are similar in skill in 2010 All the black commentators say Romo sucks, Romo is a choke artist, can't win in the playoffs right there on live television. Nobody is going to say that about Mcnabb on TV, but Philly fans said that about Mcnabb at home and on radio.

Here's the thing, all the (racist) black people on TV love to rail on Romo, and some of the (racist) white people love to rail on Mcnabb. They are booth GOOD, SOLID, above average top 10ish QB's... Are they elite at this point? No, but it's just funny to see the opposite race go after these two guys and try and attack and hold ground.

Further, I've gone after Vick from day 1. The guy is a complete hood rat and I knew people semi close to him and he didn't even get caught with half the shit he did. He thought he'd get a free pass just like he did all his life. The guy is the closet thing to a gangbanger in the league. He'd never pick up his playbook, they tried to make a high school misdirection offense for him in Atlanta. Think he ever picked up his playbook? As somebody said earlier, Tom Brady was studying defenses, Vick was at the club.

Was that racially charged? No, I call them how I see them. I thought JP Losman was an immature prick that wouldn't pick up his playbook either. Yeah, he ran a 4.6 receivers 40 time, he had a strong arm blah blah blah but he had no brains and guess what, he was WHITE. Physically talent is only one component, you need an IQ ( he had none) and you need a drive too. Ryan Fitzpatrick probably has a higher IQ than any quarterback, but that doesn't mean he'll be any good.

By the way Donovan Mcnabb is not only very physically gifted, but he's smart, and he is also a very hard worker. I'm surprised the pre game shows don't show you how downright nerdy Mcnabb is with studying his playbook. But then again, Mcnabb is 1 of about 3 in the last two decades. For Every Donovan Mcnabb there are 10 Akili Smiths, Tony Banks, Cleo Lemmons, Jason Campbells, Byron Leftwiches.

Jason Campbell is also a perfect example of reverse racism. Joe Gibbs traded up to pick this big armed nice kid from Auburn in round 1. He's a nice guy... maybe too much of a nice guy. Washington is a black city. When Mark Brunell wasn't doing well, people were calling for the backup Cambell for weeks. The radio shows were littered with black callers saying that Joe Gibbs must just be racist or have a problem with black quarterbacks for not playing Campbell. So the guy that drafted him in round 1 did that just so he could bench him, really????

So Campbell gets to start and just doesn't have it. I know his stats are better than they look, but it's kind of hard to throw picks and make mistakes when you are the KING of the screen pass, 2 yard check down on 3rd and 10... Campbell holds onto the ball too long, takes too many unnnecesary sacks, and is ultra conservative. I could go on and on but basically he's not good.

But too many white people in Washington were scared to say anything bad about Jason Campbell. They'd try and say something like " I like him, he's a nice guy, but maybe we should move on".

Black people liked him and thought he was good... so in their heads it's always somebody elses fault... It's not Jason Campbell, it's the receivers! It's his O-Line's fault! It's too many offensive coordinators fault! He's not gettiing support! He's not good now, but he's still YOUNG, give him TIME! It's the shitty organization! I heard every excuse except the fact that he's a backup quarterback.

That's the problem. When fans like somebody or think they are good, they think the guy is good and that all his failures are other people's fault and will defend that person longer than they should. It's the exact thing that happened with Campbell.

And YES Freelee, a lot of people get pissed off when somebody makes a comment that blacks are say inferior quarterbacks, but people generally don't have the same rage when somebody says whites aren't as good of running backs. You could call it reverse racism, and say that it's not fair, but then again life is not fair and we all already know this.

[cant call it]

OP=Clayton Bigsby

[McBa1n]

Ugh. So much racist hate. Really pathetic. I guess you guys aren't proper bettors. The only color that really matters is green.
I'd love to debate every point, but really? seriously? Your ancestors are from Africa anyway - don't know why it matters. But I suppose if my mom is also my sister, then I might not have the mental capacity to figure that out.

[pavyracer]

It's amazing that after 200 hundreds year nothing has changed in this country. The racists are thriving again.

[rm18]

Steve Mcnair was a good QB as well, did a lot without that many weapons much like McNabb

[jsmithj88]

there is a clear difference between romo and mcnabb. romo has had more talent on offense than mcnabb and has won what 1 playoff game? why is that ..........

[Joe_Shabadoo]

Racism is what sissy liberals cry when the truth of the matter of race is unflattering for the minority or minorities invloved. They've been using these tactics for decades. If the subject of race is involved and the minority will or will likely appear inferior when the results are gathered....the liberal will attempt to twist the argument by hurling ad hominem's (or a personal attack against the man). It's a way to deflect the real issue and to try to scare the person who is making the case, into not broaching the issue again. The person who rails against truth brought to the surface, does so because of inner-weakness. "I believe it is the nature of the human species to reject what is true but unpleasant and to embrace what is obviously false but comforting." H.L. Mencken

Yes, thank you defining ad hominem for those who are not statistical anomalies, being run-of-the-mill minorities.

Your pseudo-biological eugenics plateau is rather disturbing, but not surprising as one of your earlier posts in this thread consisted of the word "mulatto".

How old are you, and where are you from?

Whatever firm belief that you may have in the broad capacity of a certain race, I'm not sure how much thought, or admittance, that you have made in terms of culture, and its ultimate production upon a mind.

Yes, the "expentancy" of black or hispanic culture may have the tendency to form individuals into those whom have not or may never reach their fullest potential, but your intimation, nay, your personal axiom of overall intelligence is fallacious; you're on a kick of being matter-of-fact. Unless there is to be a peer-reviewed study from birth to death focussing on absolute, crystalline intelligence across races in a controlled environment than you're sadly mired within the substance that you seem to be making fun of: subjectivity.

Now, being Mexican, I bring up the subject of culture, because through whatever millieu of Americanization that I may have been introduced to, I can say that I find myself to always be annoyed with the culture that I was made fun of for not accepting or "being apart of" when I was a child. I've seen the shunning of education in all its forms when being called a white boy as I excelled in school. It always appeared to be a forced manner of deference in terms of being a Latino.

Anyway, back to the original subject.

To make the specious argument that black people have indeed more musculature and testerone is not akin to stating, with impunity, that they're just simply not as intelligent; it's not an A-B/B-A case.

As I pointed out earlier, it is absolutely erroneous to state this with the guise of being empirically stone-cold by "just stating the facts". This is an issue that has so many psychological, cultural and socio-economical facets that have to be applied to it, and one that would need the aforementioned idea of numerous life-long studies to corroborate your opinions, Old School. Albeit, these studies may even be considered to be unethical by us liberal pussies.

I know that you're an intelligent individual, so to come off and slip in this rhetoric is just insulting. Using your own ad hominem attacks by stacking up the "de facto liberalism" front is just intellectually impoverishing and ridiculous.

If you were to present your whole case with as much apparent conviction that you have so as to be included in a peer-reviewed scientific journal (even without abhorrent indignation for just a hot second), I would guarantee that your pragmatic "evidence" in terms of causality and absolute embarrassment would have you refrain from even going through with it -- just as I would opine that you would not have this conversation outside of the internet.

[Joe_Shabadoo]

Simply, if one could just venture a guess:

• Indeed, on average, black players are more athletic that white players.
• In high school, it's all about winning quickly with very young people whom are largely new to the sport.
• Systems, usually, are simplified and it would behoove a coach to have the player with the ball in his hands every play to be the greatest athlete. In high school or college, if a team can only thrive in certain schemes, than having these types of players learning commensurate, pro-style footwork, coverage recognition, route trees and their built-in options, or deep accuracy would not be a paramount matter.
• No, this is not the case with every high school, as there are certainly teams that run pro-style systems, or ones that chuck it down the field 60 times in a game.
• Development to go onto higher levels, and thusly the expentancy of passing entering these next levels (whether that is college, or the N.F.L.) are not always of the utmost importance to a coaching staff in terms of what they coach and how they want to win consistently.
• Lastly, it may still be considered that racism, to a degree, still exists in sports and the best athletes, whom may likely be black, would be put into other roles other than quarterback based on a team's respective system. Or it may be a move made based on pure practicality based on numbers and where the most explosive player should be stationed within the scheme.

[eberetta1]

Ther's just nothing to say about this subject. I know there will be another black QB who wins the Superbowl. If Doug Williams accomplished it in the past, surely there are better athletes in the not too distant future. Most records are meant to be broken. So, whoever it is will probably have more than 1 Superbowl ring to wear before his career is over with.

[Glitch]

c-gold, why did you write 4 paragraphs about jason cambell. jason cambell is maybe the most garbage QB in the league right now. this is not because he's black. its because he sucks. nobody liked him or thought he was good. im a skins fan. if you are trying to make a valid point you should talk about the respectable black qbs.

[icancount2one]

You don't need to be a genius to play QB, just ask Brett Favre. He's been hit so many times in the head he thinks shots of his flaccid dong and crocs are a great way to attract a woman. If white people are better QBs, maybe there's something about our pectoral muscles or triceps that we haven't scientifically worked out yet

The black QB problem and the ratio of black position players to QBs is largely if not entirely cultural. In inner city/ghetto environments, where safety isn't assured anyway, parents have much less of a problem with their child playing RB or DLine even though some kind of injury is nearly guaranteed at some point. In asian or white cultures, parents are more likely to dissuade their child from playing football because it is "too dangerous" and persuade them to play soccer or something instead.

It's the "this is the most likely way out of the ghetto" theory. When you combine it with general contempt for studiousness it the black culture (thanks BET) it means you will see more black people playing dangerous positions based on brute strength.

The other, much bigger deal, I think, is that black QBs seem much more likely to get benched based on poor performance. TJax or VY struggle? Let's get some washed up white dude out of the attic ASAP. Sanchez or Matt Ryan struggle? It's part of the normal QB progression. The instant a black dude plays a bad game, the conversation about replacing him starts. I'm sure in the collegiate and HS level where fans have less input it goes even quicker than that.

The only physical racial differences I am aware of are in bone structure and density. The vast cultural differences and overlap in almost all skill sets mean you should deal with every individual person on a case by case basis, and I'm sure there are great black QB talents out there, but they were probably socialized into playing point guard in the NBA instead.

[poochiecollins]

I forgot something.... I guess that is why in the past I got so touchy with people criticizing cops.... I got into this job to change people's lives. There is a reason they call prison a CORRECTIONAL FACILITY. The goal is to correct dysfunctional and criminal behavior. TO MANY COPS AND LAWYERS use it for the wrong purpose. Why arrest you if I can scare the shit out of you teach you a lesson and show you there is a better way. sorry guys for getting on this again, I am only passionate about a few things and this is one of them. HOWEVER with the change in POLICE WORK since I have been a cop, the field is turning into a bunch of PUSSIES and EGO Maniacs and I got to get out! Trust me the reason these cops are busy harassing guys like you is because they are scared to go into the crime ridden areas of their city and improve it.

I'm curious as a cop how you would fix the justice system to better make criminals want to improve themselves. Also, elaborate on the ego big about current police?

[Snowball]

Everyone doesn't get the same shot at making it.
Whether its sports, popular music, entertainment, acting.
it's mostly who you know and luck.
I was discriminated against on the high school basball team, and was only put up to bat 3
times - getting a hit EVERY time for .1000 batting average my first year. But the player
whose father was buddies with the coach played instead of me.
Most high school football coaches are also teachers or phys ed instructors who are white.
I also believe it is true that more white kids than black are inclined to study the playbook and lead the team in high school..think back to your high school
football team. Wasn't the QB virtually always someone who achieved academically and was also popular ?

[poochiecollins]

The problem is too many black QB's get into the Vick mode of running around and not learning to throw from the pocket. Works GREAT in college but in the NFL every CB, DB, Safety and most linebackers are just as fast if not faster then you. Like I said in a Vick thread, running around will win you a few games, couple more first downs etc. It will NOT win you a Super Bowl or most playoff games.

Blacks are faster, so they should absolutely use their leg speed some. You might have noticed how VY and Vick have had oddly high winning percentages in respect to how well they throw? The ONLY problem with a running QB is that they'll get injured more. I hypothesize that this could be largely fixed with regular, timely sliding.