Public education sucks and getting a fluff degree in college enslaves you in debt.

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  • BrentCrude
    SBR MVP
    • 11-16-05
    • 4665

    #1
    Public education sucks and getting a fluff degree in college enslaves you in debt.
    First off,none of the politicians that are even the democrats that are 100% pro NEA teachers union and 100% pro raising taxes for public education send their kids to public schools.It's sort of like how politicians in Washington don't have any kids going into the armed services.I think there is one kid in the service from all the parents that are senators,congressmen and in the executive branch .If you remember back at all the crap that took place while attending public school like bullying,sicko classmates brought up in dysfunctional homes, having teachers that were ex or current alcoholics,drug addicts,sex perverts,pro gay agenda pro socialism in all aspects you can't blame people with means that send their kids to private schools.Do you think Hillary wanted Chelsea naked in the girls gym class locker room with crackheads kids?The faculty and administration in schools want the students to sign pledges that they will undergo random drug,alcohol and weapons possession checks in order to attend after school functions but none of the spaced out teachers and administrators would go along with those rules.Their union would fight tooth and nail if that were the case.It's always do as I say and not do as I do when it comes to politicians and government cronies lording it over us peon serfs.

    Just evaluate all the people that you see these days which most are dysfunctional or have bad behaviorial problems and ask yourself if public education was a good chunk of the reason why people turn out that way.Even smart people that may be great car mechanics,engineers,nurses,etc.are no more than trained chicken one trick pony's that are good at one vocation and can't do much of anything else.The system is built that way where they want people to live dysfunctional lives in debt,be a part of the perpetual underclass,in broken marriages,in court and in jail so they all become clients and subjects of the government ruling class of people who look after them like they are children.Public education and the government as a whole have created a society of Jerry Springer and Maury Povich guests.Our society is based on the underclass having high hopes that they win the lottery,win a frivalous lawsuit,win a sexual harrassment lawsuit,get a back injury at work and collect SSI,meet a sugar daddy or sugar momma or win American Idol or some other pie in the sky dreamland un-reality tv show jackpot.

    There is little if any curriculum on even basic finances where kids learn the dangers of debt,balancing a checkbook,counting and giving change in a retail clerk environment and learning that the federal reserve is a crock of shit.etc.Hell,the high schools will probably follow the colleges leads and sell students names to the credit card companies so they take on debt in high school.

    Then you have the supreme lunacy of how much kids go into debt attending college.When they get out of college they are doomed and with a whole block of these people in our economy,they have no real money to spend as consumers.The parents don't even care that their kid is mortgaging their future on meaningless fluff like womens studies,art appreciation,modern African dance and diversity studies training where there isn't a private sector job that exists that would pay more than minimum wage.You get these kids with 80K in debt with these degrees and they all work as entry level floor salespeople at Best Buy taking orders from a kid that barely finished high school that has become their supervisor while they were on spring break and attending frat house toga parties.Corporate america is to blame for much of this college degree required attitude.Hell,corporate america is just using the colleges as employment screeners where they figure the kid getting a fluff degree has some bare essential discipline and responsibility where he or she woke up a few times a week on time and could achieve high school reading,writing and basic math skills.

    It's embarrassing when you hear all the democrat and republican candidates except Ron Paul talk down to audiences like they are the supreme authority figure parent and the people in the crowd are their kids or elementary students.All these candidates are nothing more than cheerleaders spouting off meaningless tripe like,we are for change and we will fight for you.Ron Paul is the only candidate that can tell you how awful this country has been managed for nearly a century and what policies and corruption have caused our depleted condition and the remedies it will take to fix the problems.He is looked upon as a feeble old grinch that stole Christmas nutcase that isn't capable of presenting himself smoothly by the dumbed down sheeple who were told this buy their inept politicians and taught that by their inferior public school system.Believe me though that the mainstream establishment politicians are shaking in their boots at the thought of ever getting in a one on one debate with Ron Paul where he would expose how dumb and corrupt they are.Ron Paul is the little known by the fight going public boxer who is widely known by the other boxers to be dangerous and avoided at all cost where none of them dare step in the ring with him exposing their glass jaws.It's a mirror image of how the teachers union is deathly afraid of people home schooling their kids that show up at spelling and geography bees and win the championship.
  • Willie Bee
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 02-14-06
    • 15726

    #2
    For the record, I got a great education going through public schools from first through 12th grade, had some wonderful teachers along the way, a couple of which still serve as an inspiration to me. And unless you count the fact I'm indebted to my parents for the first half of my college education -- I worked full time and paid the second half myself -- then I came out of university debt free.
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    • marke4
      SBR High Roller
      • 11-27-06
      • 193

      #3
      Originally posted by Willie Bee
      For the record, I got a great education going through public schools from first through 12th grade, had some wonderful teachers along the way, a couple of which still serve as an inspiration to me. And unless you count the fact I'm indebted to my parents for the first half of my college education -- I worked full time and paid the second half myself -- then I came out of university debt free.
      I also came out of school debt free, well minus 5K I took out and lost on college football this year. But I also have been making around 10K a year for the last 5 years on online poker. I also choose a school where tuition started at $1800/semester, and ended at around 3K/semester, since we made the division 1 change. Bottomline, kids who go to 30K schools a year and get a generic degree and are not relying on taking over their parents business or relying on a large inheritance deserve what they get when they spend the first 8 years out of school living paycheck to paycheck to pay off debt. Believe me, I know several of them, and told them from day 1 to be careful, they just didn't care.
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      • RickySteve
        Restricted User
        • 01-31-06
        • 3415

        #4
        I'll take all the 3% APR debt anyone wants to give me.
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        • MoneySportsGuy
          SBR MVP
          • 12-09-07
          • 4891

          #5
          BrentCrude,

          That was a really good write up I appreciate something that is insightful thoughtful and intelligent. As for me, I attended public school, then went to public unversity and got my college degree and was aided along with scholarships that I actually worked and earned, donations from family and my own personal savings from money I had earned. I think your right on about how so many except to pay 30k a year and get a communications major so they can say I went to such and such school, while their parents are in debt, they are scarred shittt with future student loans, and they have to take some crummy paying job because they thought their degree might enable them to bypass a few levels in the business world, and in some cases it works, but in others it doesnt and they don't know how to handle it.

          I guess its stupid to say, but it all depends on the person. Everybody is different, some people have horrible upbringings and succeed and life and help others, then you have others that are hand fed everything and screwed up and then you have everybody else in the big pot of mix experiences and circumstances that either turn out as a productive, intelligent, and a great person or you have those that suck the system, want to "get rich quick", and cant seem to function unless their clothes are perfectly laid out for them and the spoon and fork are perfectly placed as anything else is just not acceptable.
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          • The Seer
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 10-29-07
            • 10641

            #6
            As an educator and coach, I can tell you this. It is not the school systems that are to blame. It is parents. Parenting in this country is overall piss poor at best. Parents expect teachers to babysit and raise their kids. The parents don't want the responsibility of doing it themselves. Therefore when students get to school, most of the day is spent disciplining the student instead of teaching him. Kids learn about drugs, violence, drawing a government check, verbal abuse, physical abuse, mental abuse, sexual abuse, what dicks are, what pussies and are, and about screwing etc., etc. from their parents. They then go to school mimicking this shit and spreading it to other students. Then the parent blames the public school teachers and administration for their students behavior and ineptness to do anything and move them to another school and such. Blame parents, not teachers and administrators. Parents get off of your lazy asses and teach your kids how to act and dress and talk and respect others and adults and function in society. Look in the mirror not at the school. Quit corrupting and spoiling your kid.(IF you are a good parent then disregard this).
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            • mmarino
              SBR Sharp
              • 01-10-08
              • 307

              #7
              Very nice post. I feel that my opinions would be quite relevant on this because of my situation. I went to a public school from K-8, and while everyone else in that school went to the public high school, I had decided to go to a private high school about an hour away. I graduated the school and moved on to New York University, while when catching up with people from the public school, most used drugs excessivly, died in car accidents due to reckless driving, and all of the immature and irresponsible things you would expect. The place was a zoo and hardly any go to any respectable schools. This was a rural area, not a poor area, but found it quite disturbing. My kids will be going to private school someday, worth the money in my opinion.
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              • Willie Bee
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 02-14-06
                • 15726

                #8
                Originally posted by The Seer
                As an educator and coach, I can tell you this. It is not the school systems that are to blame. It is parents. Parenting in this country is overall piss poor at best. Parents expect teachers to babysit and raise their kids. The parents don't want the responsibility of doing it themselves. Therefore when students get to school, most of the day is spent disciplining the student instead of teaching him...Then the parent blames the public school teachers and administration for their students behavior and ineptness to do anything and move them to another school and such. Blame parents, not teachers and administrators. Parents get off of your lazy asses and teach your kids how to act and dress and talk and respect others and adults and function in society. Look in the mirror not at the school.
                BRAAAAAAA-VO! PM me your shirt size and mailing address and I'll shoot you an SBR shirt for this post.
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                • louisvillekid
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 08-14-07
                  • 9262

                  #9
                  Originally posted by The Seer
                  As an educator and coach, I can tell you this. It is not the school systems that are to blame. It is parents. Parenting in this country is overall piss poor at best. Parents expect teachers to babysit and raise their kids. The parents don't want the responsibility of doing it themselves. Therefore when students get to school, most of the day is spent disciplining the student instead of teaching him. Kids learn about drugs, violence, drawing a government check, verbal abuse, physical abuse, mental abuse, sexual abuse, what dicks are, what pussies and are, and about screwing etc., etc. from their parents. They then go to school mimicking this shit and spreading it to other students. Then the parent blames the public school teachers and administration for their students behavior and ineptness to do anything and move them to another school and such. Blame parents, not teachers and administrators. Parents get off of your lazy asses and teach your kids how to act and dress and talk and respect others and adults and function in society. Look in the mirror not at the school. Quit corrupting and spoiling your kid.(IF you are a good parent then disregard this).
                  I totally agree with its the parents responsibility. my parents both worked and raised me and 3 siblings. my mom and her siblings went to private schools growing up and 3 of her brothers are worthless alcoholics. my dad went to public schools in Philly, he said if he could get an education from there,then we could get just as good of one from rural Ky. Now i'm not saying i was a good student, but i never failed a grade, i spent most of my junior and senior years being stoned or hung over and/or both in my early classes and cutting my late classes ,but yet still graduated with a 2.5 GPA. thats because even if i wasn't giving my full attention in class, i was still listening. When they would have parent-teacher sessions, the teachers would always tell my mom how bright i was, but i never participated in class, and how i wouldn't have my homework done, or half done, but i would always pass my tests. I chalk it up as, even though i liked to party, i still paid attention, cause my parents taught me to respect teachers and elders. i still graduated around 100th in my class of over 300.
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                  • RageWizard
                    SBR MVP
                    • 09-01-06
                    • 3008

                    #10
                    My story goes the other way. I went to private Catholic school K-9 before I was thankfully released. Then went to public school in Ft. Lauderdale Fl. got a scholarship to Lehigh University and got an Engineering degree. Yes I do drink and smoke the northern lights, but the public school wasn't bad for me. While in catholic school Father Horan never tried anything with me. I guess I wasn't his type. The only effect from my childhood is now I don't support any of the imaginary friends organizations and I have wrist problems from them Nuns wacking me with a ruler. I hope that they rot in their graves all of them.
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                    • rugbybdyb
                      SBR Wise Guy
                      • 09-06-07
                      • 997

                      #11
                      Here is my insight....Part time I substitue teach in two diff school districts in Texas and I have to agree with Seer, it is the parents and that is the bottom line, one of the districts I teach is lower income and the other very high and you have the same behavior problems in each school. Private, Public it does not matter, in private schools you have the kids of privlege (for the most part) Some raised more by nannies than parents and they tend to act out and on top of that they have the money to afford the beer, drugs etc. In the lower income you have the kids that are having to either work for the money or whatever and they get the drugs or the beer as well. I went to both public and private schools, and kids will be kids and if there are no boundries for them, it does not matter where they learn how to add. The real difference is the accessibility of the teachers and class size on the private level.

                      The bottom line comes down to respect. If the parents foster a respectful relationship(both ways) then the children will know how to treat the adults. If the parents disrespect the children and then foster an enviroment where disrespect is the norm they will carry that over to the school.

                      My oppinon on schools all the way through the lower college levels is that they need to get rid of the worthless mandatory BS geology etc. courses and make a mandatory Parenting or Family life class, and for the athletes especially the ones that are going have them take a mandatory money management class or life class that can teach these young athletes the values that a person should have weather they have money or not.

                      Doctors, Lawyers etc when they get to post graduate take only classes that will go towards what they are going to be doing for a career and I thinkn that the same effort should be put into the degrees that may not lead to a career like dance etc but add classes that will help them succeed in family and real world life.

                      Wow that was a lot longer than I wanted it to be, I guess this is a really good topic and a hot button issue for a lot.
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                      • Willie Bee
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 02-14-06
                        • 15726

                        #12
                        Originally posted by rugbybdyb
                        Here is my insight....Part time I substitue teach in two diff school districts in Texas and I have to agree with Seer, it is the parents and that is the bottom line, one of the districts I teach is lower income and the other very high and you have the same behavior problems in each school.
                        Very similar story as me, spent time in both the Alief and Ft. Bend districts on Houston's west and southwest side, primarily with 7th-graders teaching Texas History. About 10 years ago, there were 60-something different languages spoken in the Alief District, lot of kids from single parent homes without a lot of money. Ft. Bend was primarily Asian and white, most from two-parent families with one of the parents at home, and far more money on average. Had great kids and truly awful kids in both places.
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