Don't Even Bother To Vote in the USA, The Entire Process Is Completely Rigged....

[BigBollocks]

Every year we get reminded why this entire process is completely futile. Zogby and every other poll predicted the exact margin of the McCain-Romney race, and yet every exit poll was that far off on Hillary-Obama (including Hillary's own internal polls saying she wouldn't come within 10%)? No way!

The thing that really cracks me up is how the returns stayed in the 40/39 to 37/36 range all night. There should have been substantially more variability as the returns came in, particularly with such a small voting population with varying towns. Anyone who knows how to write an algorithm saw exactly what was going on last night, and we've seen the exact same thing in place in '04, '00, etc.

Watch the DOW go up 300 points today, and the pharmaceutical companies go up 10+%. This is all big Republican $$$ and pro-Israeli $$$ carrying this through, make no mistake about it. We're so far from free it's absurd....

[SBR Lou]

Voting is just entertainment nothing more. We are playing American Idol only with politicians, and even that show is rigged.

[BigBollocks]

Voting is just entertainment nothing more. We are playing American Idol only with politicians, and even that show is rigged.

No doubt about it, but it's not even amusing to me any more Crazyl. At least wrestling and Idol I'm sure give you some fun twists. Watching a few monied interests (many of which are foreign) waste everyone's time and dominate this country while Joe Blow's life will only continue to get worse (granted if you're stupid and content that's what you sort of deserve) kind of sucks.

Who's the new gal btw?

[pico]

yep

[cayman]

crazyl indigo haze fudder

[Art Vandeleigh]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/7717.html

Last week the predictive markets at Intrade showed Obama winning in Iowa, and Hillary winning in N.H. It came to pass.

The sooner the Iowa caucus can be made meaningless and obsolete, the better, as far as I'm concerned.

I am not buying into any conspiracy theories.

[fearless]

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5530

NH Primary: Pre-Election Polls Wildly Different Than Results Announced for Clinton/Obama

I'm not sure why Obama would have conceded so soon, given the virtually inexplicable turn of events in New Hampshire tonight.

What's going on here? Before proceeding, I recommend you read the third section of the post I just ran an hour or so ago, concerning the way the ballots are counted in New Hampshire, largely on Diebold optical-scan voting systems, wholly controlled and programmed by a very very bad company named LHS Associates.

Those Diebold op-scan machines are the exact same ones that were hacked in the HBO documentary, Hacking Democracy. See the previous report, as I recommend, which also includes a video of that hack, and footage of the guy who runs LHS Associates.

That said, the the pre-election pollster's numbers (NOTE: that's not Exit Polls, but Pre-Election Polls!) were dead-on, for the most part, on the Republican side, as well as on the Democratic side. Except in the do-or-die (for Hillary) Clinton v. Obama race. I'm watching MSNBC right now, and they all seem to agree that the results, for the moment, defy explanation.

I concur.

Here's a screenshot of a round up of all of the latest polls from RealClearPolitics.com tonight, and more, to get an idea of the serious concerns here...

(separate polls in graphic at link above shows Obama beating Clinton by 8.3, 5.0, 9, 13, 7, 9, 8,7 percent)

They were all not just wrong, but wildly wrong. But only for the Clinton/Obama race.

For a closer look, here's Zogby's predicted numbers, for both the Republicans and Democrats:

(graphic shows Obama beating Clinton 42% to 29% the days just prior to the primary)

And here are the latest numbers from the MSNBC website (the numbers seem to be identical over at CNN and elsewhere):

(graphic shows Clinton beating Obama 39% to 36%, near final official count)

As you'll note, the numbers in Zogby's latest polls, for all but Clinton and Obama, seem to have been dead-on the money for both the Republicans and Democrats. Edwards, for example, was polled at 17% in Zogby's poll, and he received exactly 17% in the MSNBC numbers, with 63% of precincts reporting. So are we to believe that only those voters who preferred Obama previously, decided to change to Hillary at the last minute? I suppose so.

This election was regarded as do-or-die for Clinton, after most in the media had already written her off after her "thumpin'" in Iowa. But Tim Russert just agreed with Brokaw and Matthews that "this was the most stunning upset in the history of politics."

They are already grasping for reasons that this happened: the crying; she found her voice; the women turned out; oldline Dems showed up, etc. All reminiscent, if you ask me, of "the evangelicals who turned out at the very last minute to vote for Bush in 2004" as the Exit Poll apologists wrote in what would become conventional wisdom at the time. (Where did they get that info? The Exit Polls, they'll tell you. The same ones that they will also tell you were wildly wrong on every other count, apparently.)

Olbermann just called it "a titanic upset victory" for Clinton.

So, with another nod to the third section of the article I posted earlier here tonight, what's going on here?

While I have no evidence at this time --- let me repeat, no evidence at this time --- of chicanery, what we do know is that chicanery, with this particular voting system, is not particularly difficult. Particularly when one private company --- and a less-than-respectable one at that, as I detailed in the previous post --- runs the entire process.

I should also note that some 40% of New Hampshire's precincts are hand-counted, which equals about 25% of the votes. All the rest are counted on hackable Diebold op-scan systems, with completely hackable memory cards, all programmed and managed by LHS Associates. As Bev Harris of BlackBoxVoting.org who seems to share my concern, says, LHS is the "chain of custody" in New Hampshire elections.

Other folks that I've spoken to, who follow this sort of thing, share my concern at this hour. Harris noted that it will be interesting to compare numbers of the hand-counted precincts with those counted on the hackable Diebold op-scan systems.

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UPDATE 9:40pm PT: While the talking heads are trying to figure out what happened here on MSNBC, Eugene Robinson of the Washington Post, while paging through a stack of papers said to be Exit Poll data, just said: "Of those who made up their mind in the last three days, there was a slight favoring for Obama. If there was a huge difference in a move to Hillary, in the last three days, it doesn't seem to be reflected in the Exit Polling."
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Daily Kos, of course, is a Clinton-centric website, which, more disturbingly, purged diaries and diarists after the 2004 Ohio election, if they were judged to be questioning what went on there

[louisvillekid]

what i hate is there is no uniform betting system across the US, not even state wide, every county has a different way of tallying votes. where i vote we have an electronic board, i go in, the board has all the candidates and its broke down for each branch of what your voting for, i push the button beside who i like, it will light up red, if i change my mind, i push it again and the red light goes away, after i have all my selections highlighted i hit a big green button at the bottom that says VOTE, and my votes are registered. they also just started another system that is electronic, its a little machine that you sit down at and move a mouse-type pad and highlight who you like, the last time i voted, hardly anyone was using it, because people don't like something new and different i guess. At another county over they use the old cards where you fill in the circles with a pencil, at another county they use the punch cards. I just think everything should be uniform.

About the elections, first of all i hate the electoral college votes, i think it should be whoever has the most votes nationwide, not who wins certain states and some states are more valuable than other states.
which brings me to the last two elections. if anyone remembers, the 00' with Bush/Gore, the day leading up to the vote, the experts started talking about how Florida would be a swing state in the election because of how many electoral votes it held, well we all know how that fiasco turned out, we had butterfly ballots, had precincts trying out new voting systems, mainly in communities where there was old people, we had the whole "hanging chads" fiasco, a state whose governor was Bush's brother. It was ironic that state was predicted to be a swing state in the electoral votes and all that stuff happened.
Then we go to 04' with Bush/Kerry, the day leading up to the vote, Ohio was chosen as a swing state, and what happens, there is problems with reporting in certain areas of the state, mainly ones that are evenly divided along party lines. i remember being up at my local bar at 2 in the morning, and they were still waiting for some precincts to report votes in, Ohio is an the eastern time zone, Hawaii and Alaska were already accounted for, but Ohio can't figure out who has more votes, thats because of how many electoral votes Ohio held. Ironic?, I think not.

[BrentCrude]

Hillary Bhutto?

Hillary Bhutto wins in the end??????OMG,look at my post count! Damn,damn,damn,,,I had to bash JJ for being a Hillary kiss ass and forgot that my count would be affected and now it reads 667 on this one.I hope I didn't dissrupt my whammy!!!

[BigBollocks]

Hillary Bhutto wins in the end??????OMG,look at my post count!

Go post a "GL" or something in someone's thread quick

[ShamsWoof10]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/7717.html

Last week the predictive markets at Intrade showed Obama winning in Iowa, and Hillary winning in N.H. It came to pass.

The sooner the Iowa caucus can be made meaningless and obsolete, the better, as far as I'm concerned.

I am not buying into any conspiracy theories.

So an interview with the computer programmer admitting writing programs to fix the votes during the 04' election is a "conspiracy theory"...???

Every year we get reminded why this entire process is completely futile. Zogby and every other poll predicted the exact margin of the McCain-Romney race, and yet every exit poll was that far off on Hillary-Obama (including Hillary's own internal polls saying she wouldn't come within 10%)? No way!

The thing that really cracks me up is how the returns stayed in the 40/39 to 37/36 range all night. There should have been substantially more variability as the returns came in, particularly with such a small voting population with varying towns. Anyone who knows how to write an algorithm saw exactly what was going on last night, and we've seen the exact same thing in place in '04, '00, etc.

Watch the DOW go up 300 points today, and the pharmaceutical companies go up 10+%. This is all big Republican $$$ and pro-Israeli $$$ carrying this through, make no mistake about it. We're so far from free it's absurd....

Well Duuuuuuhhhh!!!!

[Art Vandeleigh]

Oops! I didn't realize this was the neo-Nazi thread - my bad.


Josef Mengele was a great man - discuss.

[2Pac]

You're a moron, Bollocks, if you think voting is rigged.

[pavyracer]

You're a moron, Bollocks, if you think voting is rigged.

voting is not rigged. voters are rigged though.

[DrunkenLullaby]

Watch the DOW go up 300 points today, and the pharmaceutical companies go up 10+%.

....still watching.

[ShamsWoof10]

Oops! I didn't realize this was the neo-Nazi thread - my bad.


Josef Mengele was a great man - discuss.

How do we or YOU go to Neo Nazi because the guy who wrote the programs admits to doing it to rig the 04' elections..??? I didn't need him to tell me as it was obvious as f*ck!

You're a moron, Bollocks, if you think voting is rigged.

I think you're a moron if you think they are NOT rigged... Before the 04' election I could understand but how obvious can it get..???

That is like having two teams play an OTime game and next week they play again and one team loses 2/3 of it's starters but this time the team that lost the starters wins by 42...

That's what happen... GW barely wins against Gore but in 04' GW's popularity went way down with IRAQ and the economy, just to name two but HE BLEW KERRY OUT!! I mean blew him the f*ck out!!!! Kerry even laid down a part of the way through it.. GIVE ME A F*CKIN' BREAK!!!!

Yeah you can "BELIEVE" it but don't expect the smart people to...

I didn't waste my time voting but I went around and asked people who they are voting for I didn't care... A huge majority said Kerry and alot of them were REPUBLICANS and this is OHIO where he supposedly really f*cked Kerry up!!!

[SBR Lou]

Who's the new gal btw?

She's a Brazilian Supermodel named Isabeli Fontana. Caught my eye last night.

[Dark Horse]

Don't go to http://www.blackboxvoting.org if you absolutely want to believe that the elections aren't rigged. This lady (Bev Harris) has been on top of it for years.

Isn't it interesting that the main media WILL mention that an election result is inexplicable, but will NOT ask the hard questions?

[2Pac]

How do we or YOU go to Neo Nazi because the guy who wrote the programs admits to doing it to rig the 04' elections..??? I didn't need him to tell me as it was obvious as f*ck!



I think you're a moron if you think they are NOT rigged... Before the 04' election I could understand but how obvious can it get..???

That is like having two teams play an OTime game and next week they play again and one team loses 2/3 of it's starters but this time the team that lost the starters wins by 42...

That's what happen... GW barely wins against Gore but in 04' GW's popularity went way down with IRAQ and the economy, just to name two but HE BLEW KERRY OUT!! I mean blew him the f*ck out!!!! Kerry even laid down a part of the way through it.. GIVE ME A F*CKIN' BREAK!!!!

Yeah you can "BELIEVE" it but don't expect the smart people to...

I didn't waste my time voting but I went around and asked people who they are voting for I didn't care... A huge majority said Kerry and alot of them were REPUBLICANS and this is OHIO where he supposedly really f*cked Kerry up!!!

Sounds very scientific. I guess I change my mind then, voting must be rigged.

[ShamsWoof10]

Sounds very scientific. I guess I change my mind then, voting must be rigged.

Don't try that with me... How about the programmer from Diebold..? NO ONE HAS COMMENTED ON THAT BECAUSE THEY CAN'T INCLUDING YOU!!!!!

Do you want me to post it again or didn't you get it the first time..? Orrrrr maybe you have no answer for it...

[isetcap]

You guys have me convinced once again. Everything is just so crooked. How can life go on this way? When the polls show one thing and something else happens, it is obvious there must have been a fix. Polls are way more accurate than counting actual votes, especially when GW Bush is hacking into the voting machines. Open your eyes, people! The major news agencies don't want to report it because they would hate to be the first to break a big scandal such as that.

[Willie Bee]

Some of y'all may be right, perhaps it is all rigged and your vote will get lost in the corrupt shuffle. But I hate to see people just throwing their hands up and surrendering like this. So please, even if you think it's rigged, regardless of your suspicions along those lines, get registered and be an informed voter when you go to the polls.

[Dark Horse]

You guys have me convinced once again. Everything is just so crooked. How can life go on this way? When the polls show one thing and something else happens, it is obvious there must have been a fix. Polls are way more accurate than counting actual votes, especially when GW Bush is hacking into the voting machines. Open your eyes, people! The major news agencies don't want to report it because they would hate to be the first to break a big scandal such as that.

Huh. Surprised to hear such a blanket statement from you.

Check out a few chapters in Bev Harris's book. Free download (in right margin) at blackboxvoting.org. Unlike the 30 seconds decision time that many allow themselves, she's devoted years to the subject. If you're still so sure after browsing over those pages, great.

As far as I'm concerned, US democracy is in shambles. But the only way to do something about it is to recognize it first. Ask yourself if you can afford to assume to it is untrue. If democracy is under attack from within, do you want to be with the ones who rang the bell or with the ones who shrugged it off? I don't want to sound overly dramatic, but the blood of our forefathers flowed to establish democracy. Do you really want to stand by and not give a f*ck when it is stolen from us?

FWIW, if you think the system is not corrupt -to the core-, after seeing how they passed the anti-gambling legislation, I don't know which world you live in. If you needed any illustration of the appearance of democracy in action, it stared you in the face right then and there.

But that must have been an isolated incident. Plus it was long ago. Today is today. Forget it. That stuff only really happens in movies.


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What can we say about such a hypnotized population? We, the conspiracy theorists, show you videos of WTC 7 coming down in the exact manner of controlled demolition, without any plane ever touching the building... And you shrug if off. Why? What are you folks so afraid of? Many of you, many of you, use ignorance as excuse for cowardice. Yes, you are cowards, because you refuse to look at the darkness that is here. Where the f*ck are the true Americans who stand up for their country when it is under attack from within?!