I just saw the worst call ever.

ttwarrior1 · 08-06-10, 02:20 AM

uh no it would not of ended the game, nobody was on base dude and the next dude struck out

yisman · 08-06-10, 02:29 AM

Edwin Rodriguez is a liar. Did he not watch the playoffs last year?

yisman · 08-06-10, 02:30 AM

Originally posted by ttwarrior1

uh no it would not of ended the game, nobody was on base dude and the next dude struck out

Not true. There was a runner on second.

Hanley Ramirez was hit by a pitch to start the inning and advanced to second.

The reason for the uproar especially was because it was assumed that Hanley would have scored had it been ruled a fair ball, which is probably true.

Albert Pujols · 08-06-10, 04:02 AM

Originally posted by ttwarrior1

uh no it would not of ended the game, nobody was on base dude and the next dude struck out

Wrong. It was game over.

TGHMak · 08-06-10, 05:17 AM

I like how he still thought he had the correct call after looking at the replays. At least Joyce knew he got the wrong call afterward.

Dark Horse · 08-06-10, 05:45 AM

I thought it was an ok call. The ball was definitely on the outside of the line. Impossible to tell if it was completely over the line, but that's baseball. The ball did bounce back into the field of play after that, but that has nothing to do with it, and can easily happen if it hits an uneven spot.

Bluehorseshoe · 08-06-10, 08:58 AM

Originally posted by Dark Horse

The ball did bounce back into the field of play after that, but that has nothing to do with it, and can easily happen if it hits an uneven spot.

But it does. The ball didn't bounce back into fair territory or it would have defied physics. It went over the bag and landed fair. I agree that it was close, BUT ONLY because where the umpire was situated. He made it a problem. He was way too close to the bag to get a decent angle. If he was down the line even another 6-7 feet, it has to be a different story.

Old Young · 08-06-10, 09:15 AM

Agree with you blue on the umpire being too close to get a good visual angle on the ball as it went over the bag. Florida going 2 for 14 with runners in scoring position didn't help either.

str · 08-06-10, 09:33 AM

While it was indeed the wrong call in all probability,the ump had no angle whatsoever.He should have checked with the ump down the left field line as well as the home plate ump.Huddle up and try to get it right.

mcbaseball10 · 08-06-10, 10:42 AM

Originally posted by str

While it was indeed the wrong call in all probability,the ump had no angle whatsoever.He should have checked with the ump down the left field line as well as the home plate ump.Huddle up and try to get it right.

There are no umpires down the left field line in regular season games.

19th Hole · 08-06-10, 10:45 AM

Great call!!!

19th Hole · 08-06-10, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by hostile takeover

Don Denkinger.

Worst call ever.

You are correct sir!

zigomanisinsider · 08-06-10, 10:51 AM

baseball rigged maybe now you guys see that

Dark Horse · 08-06-10, 10:57 AM

Originally posted by Bluehorseshoe

But it does. The ball didn't bounce back into fair territory or it would have defied physics. It went over the bag and landed fair. I agree that it was close, BUT ONLY because where the umpire was situated. He made it a problem. He was way too close to the bag to get a decent angle. If he was down the line even another 6-7 feet, it has to be a different story.

I remember a game in the same stadium from earlier this season. Strange bounces in same part of the field. Like ball slipping under a third baseman's glove because it didn't bounce as in other places. The commentators explained that the dirt on this field can play different than other fields.

This ball hit right where there is a lot of activity from base runners. So if one of them kicked up the dirt a little, and the ball hit there, it could have bounced right back into the field. People act like they've never seen a strange bounce, but it happens all the time in tennis, soccer, etc. There is no question that there was indeed a strange bounce, because later in the play the ball is clearly inside the line. That trajectory, from the first bounce, could only have happened with a strange bounce.

I'd love to see a close-up of the first bounce.

Nicky Santoro · 08-06-10, 11:00 AM

it was the right call.. FOUL.. and i was on florida.

it's where it crosses the bag.. and there is no way of ever proving it didn't cross over the bag..camera angle was off. it looked foul, then its momentum turned it fair, but that is after it crossed the bag..which is meaningless. ump had best angle. he was right on top of it.i

FOUL.. easy call..

19th Hole · 08-06-10, 11:01 AM

Don Denkinger,,,,,,

In the immediate aftermath of the 1985 World Series debacle, Denkinger received many hateful letters (and even death threats) from Cardinals fans.[3] Two St. Louis disc jockeys went so far as to reveal Denkinger's telephone number and home address.[3] At one point, Denkinger pulled up to his house to find a police car in the driveway of his Waterloo, Iowa, home. Denkinger claimed that the letters continued on through 1987 (before Denkinger got into contact with Major League Baseball Security, who in turn contacted the FBI),[3] when the Cardinals were ramping up for another World Series appearance (this time against the Minnesota Twins). The breaking point for Denkinger was when he received a particularly menacing letter (with no return address) in which the writer tells that if he sees Denkinger in person, he would "blow him away" with a .357 Magnum.

yisman · 08-06-10, 11:05 AM

Originally posted by Nicky Santoro

it was the right call.. FOUL.. and i was on florida.

it's where it crosses the bag.. and there is no way of ever proving it didn't cross over the bag..camera angle was off. it looked foul, then its momentum turned it fair, but that is after it crossed the bag..which is meaningless. ump had best angle. he was right on top of it.i

FOUL.. easy call..

Nicky, it was far from an easy call one way or the other.

You say it's easy foul call, others say easy fair call.

I say neither.

You're right that people should stop looking at where it was before and after the bag, but when it passed the bag, it was very very close.

I'm glad I didn't have to make such a call.

Doc JS · 08-06-10, 11:19 AM

I don't see how the ball could have been foul when it crossed the bag and then was 6 inches fair when it made its first hop past the bag...
I think Balk-a-Day Bob missed that one.

Doc

rthoughton · 08-06-10, 11:20 AM

ya, weak. but we'll take it.

Muddy · 08-06-10, 11:25 AM

nice to be on the right side of a bad call once in awhile

str · 08-06-10, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by mcbaseball10

There are no umpires down the left field line in regular season games.

O.K. no outfield ump.BUT...the home plate ump.He had a perfect look.Again,huddle and get it right.

jcljack25 · 08-06-10, 11:30 AM

The ball hit the line before the base and was clearly fair after the base. How in the world is it foul?

Chuck Sims · 08-06-10, 11:34 AM

Originally posted by Dark Horse

I thought it was an ok call. The ball was definitely on the outside of the line. Impossible to tell if it was completely over the line, but that's baseball. The ball did bounce back into the field of play after that, but that has nothing to do with it, and can easily happen if it hits an uneven spot.

The ball never was in foul territory! Are you related to Bob Davidson? MLB Network had a slo-mo replay showing the ball on the line and then kicking back furthur into fair territory. An absolute horrible call.

Nicky Santoro · 08-06-10, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by jcljack25

The ball hit the line before the base and was clearly fair after the base. How in the world is it foul?

read your rules my friend.. it don't matter where the ball was before or after.. it's where it crosses the bag.. and even if there were a left field ump, he would have been in no position to make that call. it's clearly the 3b umps call.. and even if they appealed and asked for help from HP ump, the HP ump still would have never overturned it.. 3b ump was right on top of it, and from the looks of things, there ain't 1 guy in the whole world that can make that call from anywhere else. it was too damn close.. talking cm's here.. maybe even millimeters.. it was that close..

3b ump was in the best and only position to make the call.. we the fans have no idea..

bigsmitty · 08-06-10, 12:04 PM

Originally posted by kidkonggolf

UnF-----believable! Had Florida! Instant replay should have been implemented after those dumbfounded calls in last years World Series!

Bad call, def in the top five this year...Think every sport needs some manner of instant replay but I think along the lines of the NFL-using challenges, etc. Constant replay in baseball would be horrendous (as in hockey where almost every goal gets reviewed) so there needs to be some balance and gamesmanship. Calls are going to get effed up from human error or whatever so technology needs to be there to support people. Cheers

Grind House · 08-06-10, 12:27 PM

The ball was never foul, but you got people saying it was. You never have all the people agreeing at once, because somebody always wanna argue.

Chuck Sims · 08-06-10, 12:34 PM

"3b ump was in the best and only position to make the call.. we the fans have no idea.."

Its you Nicky that has no idea. The replay shows the ump not even looking at the ball after it kicked furthur back into fair territory and calling the ball foul.

The ump assumed the ball would go foul based on the trajectory of the balls path. When it hit the line the ball kicked away from the foul line and was clearly fair.

You really need to watch the MLB network.

Ulyses · 08-06-10, 12:36 PM

worst call of the freakin year..that ass hole cost the fins a game

Bluehorseshoe · 08-06-10, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by Grind House

The ball was never foul, but you got people saying it was. You never have all the people agreeing at once, because somebody always wanna argue.

The problem is the camera angle everyone keeps seeing on ESPN. It's shot from center field so the ball looks closer to the bag than it was. There's no way it could have been as close to third base as it looked and landed where it did.

It has more movement than the JFK "magic bullet".

SimonBarSinister · 08-06-10, 12:45 PM

screw all the bull shit..that idiot should be suspended..unacceptable to blatantly cost a team a win like that

hdiaz1 · 08-06-10, 12:47 PM

Lets become a pro!!!

Dark Horse · 08-06-10, 01:35 PM

Originally posted by Chuck Sims

The ball never was in foul territory! Are you related to Bob Davidson? MLB Network had a slo-mo replay showing the ball on the line and then kicking back furthur into fair territory. An absolute horrible call.

It was very close. I have not seen one good camera angle, and in the moment I could have called it either way. Those kind of close calls are all over sports, and are usually accepted as such. The reason people make such a big deal about it is that most don't have the first clue about how a ball can bounce. And yet they scream at the top of their lungs. Ignorance and loudness are a familiar pair.

Doc JS · 08-06-10, 01:37 PM

The amazing thing is, if you read the Miami Herald today, even after he watched the replay, Bob Davidson still says he got the call right!
Doc

Unicorn7 · 08-06-10, 01:55 PM

Originally posted by Mybologne

after i saw the replay the ump didn't even look down just called it foul!!!!!!! if that's not fixed then I don't know what is

agree..this was a hard loss to swallow for me..i am still sick about it and I try to blow off a loss the seconfd the gasme ends..i change channel and dont watch post game if I lost

I feel like some mutherfawker opened my wallet and stole 82 bucks out of it

i hate his guts..he stole from me some ammo i could have had for the week end

--this is the story of my life..its really all my fault..i had the fish

BRAVES1985 · 08-06-10, 01:59 PM

ya what a bad fukin call that was