These idiots in Congress (and subsequently all of the taxpayers) are about to get smoked on this one I do believe. What time is the ruling? I can't wait to hear it...
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I just wish we had leaders with a backbone who would tell the WTO where they can go and what they can do when they get there. The US should resign from the WTO, cut off all funding to them, and declare all agreements signed through them null and void. And then kick the mother ****ers out of our country.Comment -
Is there no bottom to the depths of your ignorance?
The WTO is based in Geneva, not the United States.
I'm sure American business interests would share your sentiments. Not. The US gets more out of the WTO than any other country. They created it, they exploit it.
It's time for the US to comply with the original decision, give Antiguan companies unfettered access to the US market, and quit crying like babies.Comment -
I agree with Jay that the WTO (and all other globalist trade pacts) was created, mainly, by US-based capitalists with a thirst for global markets, regardless of the cost to the US.
And globalism, despite its apparent surface success, does cost the U.S. Jobs going South or East, America not able to regulate garbagey and dangerous products from places like China (because they hold a huge share of the mammouth US debt), the global move in people (ie, illegal immigration).
From the end of the Civil War to around 1960 the US created the most prosperous eonomy the world had ever seen. With HIGH TRADE BARRERS! In fact, a main reason for our Civil War is that the South wanted "free trade," low tariffs, while the North wanted high tariffs, to protect American industry.
We will all pay, eventually, from these greed-laden schemes of our rootless capitalists.
Meanwhile, while we do have these globalist schemes in place, it's incumbent on the US to drop the hypocrisy and open their markets to online betting. It's amusing that the same neocon/religious freaks who pushed for free global trade are now resisting the one that hits them right in their pocket bibles.Comment -
Mayor Michael Bloomberg wrote an article for The Financial Times on the perils of protectionism:
America must resist protectionism.
While I don't always agree with The Man Who Would Be King, I happen to think he's right on target with this issue.Comment -
Bloomberg really didn't say anything of much impact in his article. Pretty much standard globalist boilerplate. The Wall Street Journal, Barron's, etc have been serving up the same stale dish for decades.
They control the media, and it now seems to the peasant minds that one is not hip if one does not kowtow to the globalist (used to be called "internationalist," but that sounds too "Commie') line.
There are many well-reasoned sound arguments agianst globalism, truly a race to the bottom.
But you don't have to peruse 'em - just ask the rancher near the Mexican border whose cattle are regularly butchered by passing illegal aliens, or . . .
the small town restaurant owner with a minimum wage or higher payroll of 10 workers, who must now compete with a family from China, India, Brazil with an extended family of 12, most of whom sleep in the restaurant storeroom . . .
or with the minimally-skilled American worker, now on the dole, after his low wage job just skipped to Mexico.
Unlike the protectionist '50s, when women stayed home to raise the kids, most American families today need two incomes just to get by.
But of course, it's super "hip" to be globalist, screw those small-minded protectionists . . .
As Louis XIV said, "Apres moi le deluge."Comment -
That's right..and what did they create..? The "WORLD" trade orginization... This goes well like my cereal and milk this morning with the "WORLD" health orginization, "WORLD" bank, and before I go on ..why the hell do these exist and why are they all called "WORLD"..??? It is NOT going anywhere and neither is gambling so keep your pants on people...
By the way anyone that thinks gambling is good for the economy is, in my opinion, dead wrong!!!
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In my city they built a casino at the race track about 10-15 years ago. Its not really a casino, just slot machines... Anyways, it adds something like 10% to the budget for the city every year. Plus it brings in a ton of tourists. My city is far better than it was 15 years ago. So i would say my local economy is benefitting from gambling.That's right..and what did they create..? The "WORLD" trade orginization... This goes well like my cereal and milk this morning with the "WORLD" health orginization, "WORLD" bank, and before I go on ..why the health did these exist and why are they all called "WORLD"..??? It is going anywhere and neither is gambling so keep your pants on people...
By the way anyone that thinks gambling is good for the economy is, in my opinion, dead wrong!!!
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Casinos have really helped the economy in Atlantic City also.Comment -
1. Gambling is great for certain economies. Look at Atlantic City. Look at Las Vegas. What would be terrible is if every city had legalized gambling. There is a point of diminishing returns where legalizing gambling in too many jurisdictions will no longer be net positive.
2. America is a product of globalization. How can any American argue against its benefits?
3. Here I was under the impression that the great influx of immigrants at the turn of the century had created our prosperity. All these hard working low wage employees sure did stall the economy. Man those 20s sucked. And those two world wars. **** man, i was so sure that the influx of immigrants helped bolster our military numbers. I was under the impression that we wouldn't have had enough men to help win those wars. Silly me. Its too bad all those italians were here instead of fighting for the third reich. Good thing I came to this thread. I learned something today. Immigration is now bad even though it has always been good.Comment -
4. Instead of complaining about globalization killing american jobs get up off of your lazy, complacent, entitled tookus and start a business that employs chinese workers and bring that money back to the U.S.
This isn't directed at anyone on this thread. This American ideal that we can all sit around and wait for the jobs to come to us is backwards. This isn't the 20th century. We are not as lucky as our parents/grandparents were to be looking for employment in the world's fastest growing economy. That priviledge belongs to someone else now.
Instead we are blessed enough to have the resources to take advantage of those fast growing economies. If you know China is "stealing" our jobs then invest in the companies that control that resource. You'll make a killing. If you know that Indian workers work for pennies then start a business that employs indians and pay them better than anyone else will. You will make a killing.
Or you can just sit around and complain about how the good ole' days have passed you by. That the American spirit. Sit around and complain.Comment -
Another thread that has gotten way off base.Comment -
God you people are so short sighted.. Let's think a little bit here instead of using "cookie cutter" comments... I jock that.. "cookie cutter"...
Now you people know, and may have even been that person at one point, that 99% of gamblers lose in the long run... I got 99% from posters on this forum.. You also know people get in over their head (JJ) and don't give me this fantasy world sh*t about "responsible gambling"...
Most are not "ADVANTAGE" bettors and will lose in the SHORT RUN... Do you guys recall the commercial where the guy calls his wife from Vegas and says "they are so nice here I am learning a lot... I learned how to double down today... I am down $5,800... well $5,800 in chips..." she says "that's like 6 grand here.."
My point is he could lose it all and then no bills get paid, no products get bought, divorce, maybe a lost job... More crime and prostitution come as a result to cities... Are you people nuts..??? If gamblers lose then how the hell are they going to have money to put back into the economy much less all the other ramafications that follow.???
It is like a skinny person wanting to gain mass but puts on fat mass... That is not the type of mass you want and it will eventually f*ck you in the long run and turn out worse then where you started by now having diseases you didn't have...
You are gainning a few jobs to juice the masses out of most, if not all, of their money WITH AN ADDICTION... HOW THE F*CK DOES THAT MAKE SENSE??? Why not just make selling crack legal ...crist!!!
Detroit can have three times more gambling outs and it would still sucks there... HIGH CRIME and SH*T EVERYTHING INCLUDING THE ECONOMY!!!!
Gambling is good for the economy is a stupid comment... No offense of course...
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aaaanyway.. when is the ruling due, anybody know?Comment -
WTO means nothing to usa and a non factor with no power.Comment -
It's now expected on Monday the 17th.Comment -
If the gambling company was american (as in your example), the money from the gambler passes to the casino company who then put it back into the economy. They pay workers, who then spend the money at a local bar, and so on..God you people are so short sighted.. Let's think a little bit here instead of using "cookie cutter" comments... I jock that.. "cookie cutter"...
Now you people know, and may have even been that person at one point, that 99% of gamblers lose in the long run... I got 99% from posters on this forum.. You also know people get in over their head (JJ) and don't give me this fantasy world sh*t about "responsible gambling"...
Most are not "ADVANTAGE" bettors and will lose in the SHORT RUN... Do you guys recall the commercial where the guy calls his wife from Vegas and says "they are so nice here I am learning a lot... I learned how to double down today... I am down $5,800... well $5,800 in chips..." she says "that's like 6 grand here.."
My point is he could lose it all and then no bills get paid, no products get bought, divorce, maybe a lost job... More crime and prostitution come as a result to cities... Are you people nuts..??? If gamblers lose then how the hell are they going to have money to put back into the economy much less all the other ramafications that follow.???
It is like a skinny person wanting to gain mass but puts on fat mass... That is not the type of mass you want and it will eventually f*ck you in the long run and turn out worse then where you started by now having diseases you didn't have...
You are gainning a few jobs to juice the masses out of most, if not all, of their money WITH AN ADDICTION... HOW THE F*CK DOES THAT MAKE SENSE??? Why not just make selling crack legal ...crist!!!
Detroit can have three times more gambling outs and it would still sucks there... HIGH CRIME and SH*T EVERYTHING INCLUDING THE ECONOMY!!!!
Gambling is good for the economy is a stupid comment... No offense of course...
Take an economics course.Comment -
crap, If I spend money on a product made by an american company then I will not have any money to put back into the economy....crap!
I just bought a visio yesterday that a couple hundred neither me or the american economy will ever see again.
But that makes no sense. If spending money is bad then how come that crazy fed thingie is always trying to get the american public to spend money?
Noone spend anymore money!!!!!
help god
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Talk about a "cookie cutter" response WOW.... Well I guess if you took an economics course then consider it a waste of money... You are willing to sacrafice the needs of the FEW for the needs of the MANY...
How the f*ck many people do you think it takes to run a casino.? It's not like they pay a CEO type salary as most of those are not much more then minimum wage jobs...
So you want to give people (just because you work there doesn't mean you are immuned to the addiction) an addiction which is sure to lose them lots of money in an already struggling economy ? Keep in mind that tourists and locals that gamble don't have endless amounts to lose... Also keep in mind that as crime builds the area deteriorates making it less attractive to outsiders... Ummmm can we say DETROIT!!!!!!! Eventually you will struggle and close shop...
I guess it could be worse.. You could be teaching the economics course instead of taking it...
You remind me of a reciever I coached in HS... He says "coach I ran that slant route exactly like it's drawn but I didn't get open.." I said ..."son... god gave you a brain to use not to let rot.. It was there but you have to read the coverage... the corner played up on you with an outside technique so you needed to run it a bit deeper and not slant so hard as to get into the linebackers coverage area..."
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Let's ignore the employees. Where do you think the money that the American companies who own the casino make goes? Economies work on the circulation of funds, casinos are just another purchase in that regard, the same as alcohol or cigarettes, both have negative effects, but all are important contributors to an economy.Comment -
JC let me congratulate you for your EXCELLENT delineation of the WTO case,your explanations in another thread on this subject have made the issue somewhat clearer to me.It is evident to all of us that you have a superior intellect,education and knowledge witch gives you CREDIBILITY that others do not have in this discussion.Your reasoning and logic is such that you do not need swearing and cursing like a idiot in order to make your argument.There is nothing wrong in cursing(I am a habitual user) ,however when one is having a interesting and intelligent conversation or debate one loses credibility with it's use.I red on the net a article from newsweek where it is said that:Harra's,MGM and WINN are on record saying that they have already in place the "infrastructure" for on-line gambling.Since the get go i have always said that by 2008 AMERICANS will be able to bet online again,VEGAS wants it,even though they where responsible for the "anti -net" laws to begin with.They never got the win fall from having access to the offshores denied to the populace ,so you know what they say:" if you can't beat them join them !
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I apologize, I mispoke.
It's not coming out on Monday the 17th. Instead they will tell us on Monday the 17th when it is coming out.Comment -
Thanks again JC. Who knows when they let it come out.Comment -
JC let me congratulate you for your EXCELLENT delineation of the WTO case,your explanations in another thread on this subject have made the issue somewhat clearer to me.It is evident to all of us that you have a superior intellect,education and knowledge witch gives you CREDIBILITY that others do not have in this discussion.Your reasoning and logic is such that you do not need swearing and cursing like a idiot in order to make your argument.There is nothing wrong in cursing(I am a habitual user) ,however when one is having a interesting and intelligent conversation or debate one loses credibility with it's use.I red on the net a article from newsweek where it is said that:Harra's,MGM and WINN are on record saying that they have already in place the "infrastructure" for on-line gambling.Since the get go i have always said that by 2008 AMERICANS will be able to bet online again,VEGAS wants it,even though they where responsible for the "anti -net" laws to begin with.They never got the win fall from having access to the offshores denied to the populace ,so you know what they say:" if you can't beat them join them !
I want to echo these sentiments. Jay (JC) I really appreciate you taking the time to come on here and share your insight. I would literally pay for your take on a lot of issues, and to be able to glean information from you on here periodically is a real pleasure. Thanks for the knowledge brother...
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