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  • SlickFazzer
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 05-22-08
    • 20209

    #36
    An excellent article posted by "Iceman" at Betting Talk. More info can be found at Right Angle Sports

    Beating The Closing Line In Sports Betting
    5/24/2010 - By Iceman

    You hear a lot of sports bettors say it, "I beat the closing line on that bet" but what does it really mean and why is it important to winning when it comes to betting on sports?

    The closing line is the betting line at the sportsbooks when all betting is closed and the game is about to start. It is the most accurate line because all of the money has been bet and all available information and opinions have been factored in. Closing line value is determined by comparing the line on a bet placed at an earlier time with the line at game start time. If you placed a bet at +4 and the line closed at +2, you have 2 points of line value. Many studies have been done on the closing line and all point toward the same thing, the favorite and underdog covering at about the same rate of 50%. Therefore we can assume that getting a better line than the close will result in +EV bets in the long run.

    Lines move throughout the day as bets are placed and new information becomes available. The playing status of certain players and weather information is always more accurate closer to game time than it is when a line first comes out. The bettors who win the most, generally have the most money, best resources, best information, and most followers, and therefore will have the most influence on a line. These bettors or in some cases influential sports handicappers, often play a big role in determining where a closing number will land. As more money pours in, and more information and opinions are exposed, the stronger and more accurate the line becomes.

    Most bettors are too results-oriented when determining if they or a handicapper they are considering following have an edge, meaning they judge primarily on past results, often with an emphasis on recent results. Now surely winning bets is and always will be the #1 goal, as they don't pay you for just making good bets, but actual results can be swayed heavily by positive or negative variance, particularly when looking at a limited sample size. To be able to determine if the handicapper in question is truly making good bets you need to dig a little deeper. You need to look at how past plays have done against the closing line. This is a common strategy used by professional bettors when evaluating handicappers but is often ignored by recreational bettors. Sportsbooks on the other hand will openly admit that they gauge the “sharpness” of a player more by how their bets do against the closing line than by their actual results. If you were to ask any bookmaker who he is more scared of taking a bet from going forward, a sports bettor who is winning 60% of his last 100 bets but is losing to the closing line or a sports bettor who has broke even on his last 100 bets but has consistently beat the closing line, I can promise you the bookmaker will be more scared of the break even player.

    What I like to do is go to pinnaclesports.com and find the game I am betting. Let's say for example at Pinnacle just before the game starts Seattle is -104 against Oakland who is also -104. So I figure the no vig line (as if the book wasn't charging any juice) and we now have the closing line as Seattle -100/Oakland -100. I now use these numbers as a barometer and hope that my bet can beat this number. Let's say I placed a bet of Seattle at +108 earlier in the day, I would indeed have beaten the no-vig closing line by a total of 8 cents and have a solid +EV bet. FOR EVERY 2 CENTS BETTER ON AVERAGE PER BET THAT YOU MAKE YOU HAVE A 1% EDGE OVER THE BOOKS (a 1% ROI). So this particular bet would give me a 4% ROI over the long run. It's that simple.

    One should always be focusing on trying to find and place bets that will beat the closing line. There are many ways to beat the closing line from trying to originate your own numbers, following service plays that moves lines, betting steam or just playing any "off" number that is better than the current no vig line. It's not easy to do but through hard work it can be done. In fact I know many winning sports bettors who can't name a single player in the sport they are betting but they are winning because their entire focus is on finding ways that they will beat the closing line. Sometimes it's not about working harder when betting sports it's about working smarter. If you are beating the closing line over the long term then you are playing with an edge and you will be a winning sports bettor.
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    • SlickFazzer
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 05-22-08
      • 20209

      #37
      Nice win with the white stockings last night. studying the card as we speak.
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      • SlickFazzer
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 05-22-08
        • 20209

        #38
        Going to fire with the Yankees tonight as a small favorite for a unit.
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        • Chi_archie
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 07-22-08
          • 63172

          #39
          good luck tonight slick...

          nice wins for us on the rl and total for the sox!!!!
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          • Nicky Santoro
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 04-08-08
            • 16103

            #40
            slicker, that long post about beating the closing # sums it all up.. anyone can do it.. like he said, you don't have to know anything about sports. i cant name you 1 player in ncaab or ncaaf combined.. and i can only name 11 NFL players, no joke.. but i will beat the closer more often than not..

            great write up by that guy..
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            • SlickFazzer
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 05-22-08
              • 20209

              #41
              Originally posted by Nicky Santoro
              slicker, that long post about beating the closing # sums it all up.. anyone can do it.. like he said, you don't have to know anything about sports. i cant name you 1 player in ncaab or ncaaf combined.. and i can only name 11 NFL players, no joke.. but i will beat the closer more often than not..

              great write up by that guy..
              Agree 100%.
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              • SlickFazzer
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 05-22-08
                • 20209

                #42
                Tried to gain some momentum with the Yankees last night. that went
                up in smoke.

                Studying todays card as we speek.
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                • SlickFazzer
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 05-22-08
                  • 20209

                  #43
                  Firing back in with the Yankees tonight as a small dog.

                  MONEYLINES
                  07/30 16:58 +107 / -114
                  07/30 17:17 +110 / -117
                  07/30 17:21 +106 / -113
                  07/31 07:03 +103 / -109
                  07/31 07:04 +101 / -107
                  07/31 07:08 +100 / -106
                  07/31 07:22 +104 / -110
                  07/31 07:26 +106 / -113
                  07/31 08:33 +111 / -118
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                  • SlickFazzer
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 05-22-08
                    • 20209

                    #44
                    Can anyone recommend a book book/resource for options trading?

                    My knowledge and skills in this area need some improvement.
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                    • SlickFazzer
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 05-22-08
                      • 20209

                      #45
                      Adding Houston Astros to the card as a small favorite.

                      they have won 3 straight and Rodriquiz WHIP under 1 for
                      his last 3 games is impressive.
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                      • SlickFazzer
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 05-22-08
                        • 20209

                        #46
                        Anyone have any good horses going today?
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                        • SlickFazzer
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 05-22-08
                          • 20209

                          #47
                          decent day yesterday.

                          Lets study this card and find a winner.
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                          • SlickFazzer
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 05-22-08
                            • 20209

                            #48
                            Firing in with Houston again and SF tonight.
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                            • SlickFazzer
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 05-22-08
                              • 20209

                              #49
                              One in the books with HOU.

                              Lets see if SF can hold up tonight.
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                              • SlickFazzer
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 05-22-08
                                • 20209

                                #50
                                Nice 2-0 last night.

                                Studying the monday card over a cold one.
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                                • SlickFazzer
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 05-22-08
                                  • 20209

                                  #51
                                  Going with Tampa Bay -114

                                  Minnesota comes in red hot winning 8 straight. But they
                                  have done it against the likes of sea, kc, and balt.

                                  The streak ends tonight.
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                                  • Chi_archie
                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                    • 07-22-08
                                    • 63172

                                    #52
                                    nice going against the streak and goin against bobby "the brain" sandals
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                                    • SlickFazzer
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 05-22-08
                                      • 20209

                                      #53
                                      Originally posted by Chi_archie
                                      nice going against the streak and goin against bobby "the brain" sandals
                                      I wonder if Bobby has inside information we don't know about.

                                      Twins are due for a loss....I will martingale against them until they lose.

                                      Easy money.
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                                      • Chi_archie
                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                        • 07-22-08
                                        • 63172

                                        #54
                                        I might do the same Slick..... I gotta believe that Pavano is due a let down as well.... somthing has to give...
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                                        • SlickFazzer
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 05-22-08
                                          • 20209

                                          #55
                                          0-0, bottom 3rd.
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                                          • Chi_archie
                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                            • 07-22-08
                                            • 63172

                                            #56
                                            theres a run for the rays!!!!
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                                            • SlickFazzer
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 05-22-08
                                              • 20209

                                              #57
                                              this rookie is holding his own.
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                                              • jjgold
                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                • 07-20-05
                                                • 388179

                                                #58
                                                Make love to these

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                                                • SlickFazzer
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 05-22-08
                                                  • 20209

                                                  #59
                                                  JJ your cards have been razor fukking sharp of late. did you change
                                                  your information sources?
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                                                  • SlickFazzer
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 05-22-08
                                                    • 20209

                                                    #60
                                                    4-1 now, looking promising.
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                                                    • jjgold
                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                      • 07-20-05
                                                      • 388179

                                                      #61
                                                      Originally posted by SlickFazzer
                                                      JJ your cards have been razor fukking sharp of late. did you change
                                                      your information sources?

                                                      I changed one source and that can make all the difference
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                                                      • SlickFazzer
                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                        • 05-22-08
                                                        • 20209

                                                        #62
                                                        Information is key in this industry.

                                                        4-2 top 8. lets hold on.
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                                                        • SlickFazzer
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 05-22-08
                                                          • 20209

                                                          #63
                                                          Nice win tonight with the Rays.
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                                                          • SlickFazzer
                                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                                            • 05-22-08
                                                            • 20209

                                                            #64
                                                            One a nice streak.

                                                            Studying tonights card over a scotch.
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                                                            • SlickFazzer
                                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                                              • 05-22-08
                                                              • 20209

                                                              #65
                                                              Dodgers -110

                                                              They get it turned around tonight with Lilly.

                                                              Lets pound it for a unit.
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                                                              • SlickFazzer
                                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                                • 05-22-08
                                                                • 20209

                                                                #66
                                                                Nice win last nite. A nice run continues. Studying the
                                                                card for a late game winner.
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                                                                • SlickFazzer
                                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                                  • 05-22-08
                                                                  • 20209

                                                                  #67
                                                                  Pass yesterday. Studying the card for todays winner.
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                                                                  • SlickFazzer
                                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                                    • 05-22-08
                                                                    • 20209

                                                                    #68
                                                                    Atlanta Braves -103

                                                                    Time for a Lincecum letdown.
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                                                                    • SlickFazzer
                                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                                      • 05-22-08
                                                                      • 20209

                                                                      #69
                                                                      Adding Chicago White Sox +140....Got this excellent number at Fish Head Wagering.
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                                                                      • tanner40
                                                                        SBR MVP
                                                                        • 03-24-10
                                                                        • 2129

                                                                        #70
                                                                        Slick I think your right. Giants are bad on the road against good teams. Not sure if I will play it but if I do I think Braves are the play.
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