Depression&bi polar drugs ritlin&prozac scam.It's normal to be depressed!

McBa1n · 12-04-07, 12:44 PM

There is such a thing as clinical depression that actually goes far beyond the things you describe.

There is a difference emotionally between having your mother die - and your brain shutting down for no reason at all while you're getting a hummer.

There's a difference between being sad or pissed over something tangible - and just feeling like you're going to die, even though you just nailed a sick parlay.

People without this tend to be very rigid about their views in regards to it - but I will say that it is very real. It can be something as crippling as not having an arm or a leg.

...And it's not an excuse. It's something ****ed in your head with no real cure, just like cancer. And people with such things tend to die much earlier than they should, especially if untreated in any form.

WileOut · 12-04-07, 02:32 PM

Uneducated people dont realize that everyone has different brain chemicals. Just like some people are born tall, born with green or blue eyes, born with blonde hair. Everybody has a different genetic makeup and some people don't have the right levels of brain chemicals to make them happy. Its a medical fact. There are different levels of this. Some people are slightly depressed, some are severly depressed. Just like some people are 5 foot 11, some are 6 feet tall, some are 6-4, some are 5-3, some are 7 feet tall. Everybody is born with a different level of natural happiness. For some people it is necessary to take medications to make them non suicidal. Most people are ignorant and uneducated, and make fun of people who have to take these meds. Brent Crude seems to fall into the ignorant category. The medical community is not making money off it, they are just finding new research that shows them how to correct what they have known all along, that people are born with different levels of brain chemicals. As science progresses, they have come up with medications to help people.

etothep · 12-04-07, 02:50 PM

just for the record, depression & bi-polar disorder don't lead to the patient getting the same medications or treatment

depression uses meds that target serotonin levels in the body (such as prozac & zoloft) and even cognitive-behaviorial therapy can be used in some patients w/ no meds needed whatsoever

bpd uses mostly lithium as prescribed medication, along w/ anti-epileptic meds to a lesser extent, along with therapy, but never therapy alone w/o meds

as for your suggestion that general anxiety disorder, obsessive compulsive disorder, bi polar disorder, clinical depression (& i assume you would lump borderline personality disorder in here too) just to name a few are all in people's heads is simply an uneducated statement from someone who needs to do a little more research on the matters before foaming from the mouth on a subject they so clearly know little to nothing about

and come on, if it wasn't for the stadiums then places like green bay, buffalo, & indy would lose millions in revenue every year...i'm not even going to bring up how moronic your statement is on the collegiate stadiums, where otherwise small towns such as corvallis, or & manhattan, ks are able to bring in millions of dollars of extra revenue every other weekend due to the sporting events

Seattle Slew · 12-04-07, 02:58 PM

I agree this is a scam in most cases. It plays on people's fears. How about the latest scam on those freecreditreport commercials, trying to scare people into buying their services because your identity might be stolen. The comical thing being freecreditreport is not FREE, it costs money, which it says at the bottom of the screen.

Plus the idiot singing in the bar? Anyone see that guy? I want to throw a brick at the TV when he comes on.

Sad thing is many people fall for these, otherwise these companies would not be in business.

Ganchrow · 12-04-07, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by BrentCrude

Ever hear these people that work in the industry of convincing everyone that they have a medical problem with being depressed and they have the drugs and or psycho therapy to cure them?I keep hearing these radio and t.v.ads from a broad named Lucinda ...

-snipped rant-

An interesting rant. As I have little doubt you're abundantly qualified to make these unilateral declarations, I'm curious to know from what medical program you were graduated and/or from what university you received your PHd in a biological science?

Or perhaps you just served as a Research Fellow at the Institute For Narrowminded, Grumpy, Old Men. (And if so, do you know my father-in-law?)

louisvillekid · 12-04-07, 05:31 PM

BrentCrude, are you Tom Cruise in disguise, you sly dog you.

dwaechte · 12-04-07, 07:58 PM

I think he was more-so attacking the drug companies who are pushing their drugs to people who don't actually suffer from clinical depression. I don't think his main point was that clinical depression does not exist.

louisvillekid · 12-04-07, 08:57 PM

i was being silly, but the drug companies do push their drugs on us. anyone who has been to the doctor in the past 10 years has seen it get out of control, with drug reps sitting in the waiting areas wanting to get in and see the doc's to try and push their new drugs. i also hate how they(drug companies) are all over TV ,always telling us if we have this and that symptom or feeling, to ask our doctor about X drug. i remember when i was on paxil and then my Dr. said he was switching me to a new paxil called paxil cr and it was way better. my brother who is a pharmacist(he was still in school at the time) told me that it was the same drug ,it just had a coating to make it absorb slower in your system, hence the cr, it stands for controlled release he told me. my brother said the original paxil's patent had run out and it was available as generic now, so the drug company that made it, just added a coating to make it absorb slower in your system instead of getting it all at once, that way they could still call it a new drug and charge premium prices. my brother says those drug reps even come to his pharmacy trying to ask whats moving more, and trying to find out if they have seen more prescriptions of a certain drug from certain doctors. he has said it is out of control. he said the drug reps know not to even bother him cause he ain't got time for that shit, but he says other pharmacists will talk to them and take their freebies and give them info.

atakdog · 12-05-07, 03:40 AM

Originally posted by etothep

...bpd uses mostly lithium as prescribed medication, along w/ anti-epileptic meds to a lesser extent, along with therapy, but never therapy alone w/o meds

Ancient history. For most psychiatrists, prescribing lithium is a last resort; instead, they're more likely to go with the big-brand mood stabilizers: Depakote, Tegretol, Zyprexa, and so forth. A cynical person might wonder whether this tendency is related to the powerful marketing campaigns behind the latter drugs (as opposed to lithium, which was first used to treat a psychiatric disorder in 1949, and on which makes no one makes much money any more). A less cynical person would point out that lithium can be quite toxic. An objective person would note that the suicide rate of bipolars treated with Depakote, the most common of the mood stabilizers (at least as of a few years ago) is about 2.5 times that of bipolars treated with lithium.

imgv94 · 12-05-07, 06:53 AM

My Mom took lithium for 20years, she went to this new Doctor and he told her to get off of it.

When she was off lithium she went insane to the point where my dad and I had to call the police cause she was out of control. The police came to take her to a mental hospital and that was a huge scene.. Well she was released 3 days later.

While back she was o.k for the first day but became out of control again and violent. We called her doctor and told him about what happened and he told us to have her come in.

The Doctor was walking distance away so she went, hours went by and she never came back so we knew something was wrong. The next day we filed a missing persons report and called everyone to see if they heard from her.

To make a long story short, 10 days later we get a call at 2am from her. She sounded incoherent and was crying saying she wanted to come home and someone hurt her. She was using some guys cell phone from the greyhound station in Las Vegas. I called the Las Vegas police and told them about the situation and they picked her up and took her to the hospital.

My brother and I drove and picked her up three days later cause the hospital said they wanted to keep her there for 3 days.

This happened 4 years ago, she is currently taking Abilify which she hates, and Cymbalta. She acts very dosile and it seems she has a hard time concentrating on things. She sleeps a lot and isn't as energentic as she was then when she was taking Lithium.

Ever since she was taken off Lithium she hasn't been the same person. When she was on Lithium she was VERY NORMAL, upbeat had a great sense of humor etc.

Now when I see her shes like a zombie. I feel like her soul is gone.....

It's very painful.

HedgeHog · 12-05-07, 07:06 AM

Why take her off lithium if it worked so well? Can you get another medical opinion?

imgv94 · 12-05-07, 07:15 AM

Originally posted by HedgeHog

Why take her off lithium if it worked so well? Can you get another medical opinion?

Thats what I say but she refuses to take it cause the doctor told her that she's been taking it too long and it could really harm her. I'd like to know if that is true. It appears you guys are pretty sharp about this.

Getting off lithium made her lose 60 pounds and I don't think she wants to gain weight back either.

WileOut · 12-05-07, 07:48 AM

Anybody that takes a brain altering chemical like Lithium for 20 years is going to have a very long period of PAWS (post accute withdrawal syndrome) from stopping the drug all at once. If the doctor who told her to quit had any kind of sense at all he would have SSSLLLLLLOOOOOOOWWWWWWWLLLLLLLYYYYYYYYYY YY weaned her off of it and I mean for like a year. That way her brain could have time to adjust to each small incremental drop.

I am very knowledgeable in this field of addiction, meds, anti-depressants, getting off meds, changing meds, addiction, etc. Some doctors have no idea what they are doing believe it or not. They see too many patients and don't have the time to do proper research for each patient.

imgv94 · 12-05-07, 08:05 AM

You are so right WileOut. I can't believe some of these docs even have licenses. Thanks for your reply sir.

Rollins08 · 12-05-07, 12:14 PM

There are a lot of times I wish I had some good drugs to kill the pain of gambling losses.

imgv94 · 12-05-07, 08:41 PM

WileOut or anyone else. Can my mother go back on Lithium? Would it be bad for her health?

BrentCrude · 12-05-07, 09:05 PM

Another mass murder due to anti depressents

Yup,I didn't even have to hear the whole story as to what just happened at the Omaha mall and I knew it involved a kid on anti depression drugs.

The government has given us a total false economy with the federal reserve,they give us total socialism,people get depressed over the lifestyle socialism has wrought upon them,the government puts them on drugs,and they wonder who is to blame for the chaos!

Look at the devils workshop socialist public schools where renegade kids from broken homes assemble and bully each other.A kid on government prescribed anti depression drugs goes balistic and kills his foes and they ask,how could this happen.Da!!!!!

Hmmm,aint it funny how the Clintons,Kennedys and Gores support public education and want us peon wage slaves to attend those inferior schools run by a socialist godless union but they don't dare send their own kids to those hell holes.Can you say royalty hypocrites!

SBR Lou · 12-05-07, 09:24 PM

Originally posted by BrentCrude

Let's see,gas and heating oil is $3 -$4 a gallon,you bought an inflated house with a creative mortgage for 300K that's now worth 200K,you work and commute for 12 hours a day and so does your wife,she's having an affair because you never see each other anymore,your kids are learning diversity training and how to put rubbers on cucumbers in public school and you have to drive through a ghetto of homegrown violent brainstems and dangerous illegal immigrants to get to work risking life and limb and you aren't supposed to be depressed!!!!!!

You have a knack for writing. No one is leading perfectly happy lives though, that would be abnormal. There are people who benefit from taking certain kinds of medications though. Do I think that some of them are simply numbing the pain and pushing important stuff under the bed? Sure, but at the end of the day if a drug brings a little relief into someones life, and it is prescribed legally I don't think you can argue with that.

>bumpy< · 12-05-07, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by BrentCrude

Yup,I didn't even have to hear the whole story as to what just happened at the Omaha mall and I knew it involved a kid on anti depression drugs.

The government has given us a total false economy with the federal reserve,they give us total socialism,people get depressed over the lifestyle socialism has wrought upon them,the government puts them on drugs,and they wonder who is to blame for the chaos!

Look at the devils workshop socialist public schools where renegade kids from broken homes assemble and bully each other.A kid on government prescribed anti depression drugs goes balistic and kills his foes and they ask,how could this happen.Da!!!!!

Hmmm,aint it funny how the Clintons,Kennedys and Gores support public education and want us peon wage slaves to attend those inferior schools run by a socialist godless union but they don't dare send their own kids to those hell holes.Can you say royalty hypocrites!

I hear ya Brent. Back when I first got transferred from Breaux Bridge to Lafayette schools they did all these tests on me and told my Aunt Beth that I needed to take that redilin shít on account my real mom was a big time druggie only she wasn’t really she just looked like one. And they made this big deal about calling the parents in for both me and Billy Wayne Cormier come in cause we was the two worst cases only the Cormiers never did show up and last I heard Billy Wayne was working at the Tabasco Plant down on Avery Island. So Aunt Beth couldn’t be there for the meeting on account of her working a double down at the diner and she sent my Uncle Devereaux instead and well, he’d been drinking that morning pretty heavy like usual and when he pulled into the parking lot for the meeting he wrecked into the flag pole. So there I am in the principal’s office and there is this ruckus and then I hear the sirens so I know that means my Uncle Devereux must be close even before Mrs. Guidry, she was the principal’s secretary, come running in Mr. Doucet’s office, he was the principal, and Mrs. Guidry yelled, “The boy’s guardian and the police are here, Mr. Doucet.” I just sat there and everyone else ran outside and there was a lot of yelling and screaming so I tried to peek out but when I did I knocked over trash can and this empty jar broke on the floor and the whole room started smelling of shine not to mention the glass breaking made all of the growed ups come running back inside before I could clean it up. When Uncle Devereaux smelled the shine he asked for a drink and then got fresh with Mrs. Guidry and that’s when they drug Uncle Devereaux off screaming that if they wouldn't give him a drink they could shove that redilin up their ass.

Anyway Brent do you think Hillary will win this election?