Banning Of Cougar Was A Little Harsh

[wal66]

isn't it only a 10 day ban? if so, what's the big deal?

Principles is what's the big deal. I fear though that if this needed to be said in the first place, actually saying it made little difference.

[OmgUrMom]

Principles is what's the big deal. I fear though that if this needed to be said in the first place, actually saying it made little difference.

perhaps a case of taking principles a bit too far.

I guess if it makes you happy to vilify a place you enjoy due to a 10 day ban I guess feel free.

Cougar is a great poster and it's sad to see him wrongly banned for 10 days...but its 10 days.....He'll be back I hope, unless he is also staying away from now on based on principle.

[obamaismyuncle]

Maybe he was banned for being a low life..

Nina, think whatever you want about me. The determination of a poster on a gambling forum who passes judgments from afar is of little consequence to me.

I stole almost 8 grand from Blockbuster when I was a kid. I guess that means I have no moral fiber because I made a mistake.

I am sure I have paid for it in karma ever since.

Also, you and everyone else bitching about this has never done anything morally wrong. Congrats.

[wal66]

Mom, I enjoy the posters that I consider friends or interesting. They happen to be part of SBR therefore by default I enjoy SBR. For me SBR is a place where I can express myself and be exposed to others around me that share my same thoughts or ideas. I don't care about the bells and whistles at SBR. I rarely participate in contest, I don't use the books SBR promotes and I don't use the points for anything other than giving to others.

If ones principles are determined on material things then I guess we just have a different standard.

[SBR_John]

Wal doesn't matter, Coug knows he was instigating and bringing over posts from a banned poster. Common sense says if you bring over comments and threats of violence from a banned poster then you could draw some moderation and even lose your SBR privileges. No biggie. If you are offended or anyone else is that's unfortunate and I apologize sincerely. But it was the right call and I back it and I apologize the most to the poster that was threatened. He should never have to worry about a banned poster coming here by proxy and physically threatening him.

[Brock Landers]

Obama, maybe we can ban you for being a worthless douchbag? SBR look into it! Guy contributes ZERO

[obamaismyuncle]

Obama, maybe we can ban you for being a worthless douchbag? SBR look into it! Guy contributes ZERO

I see thiefs stick together..

[MBENZ]

Wal doesn't matter, Coug knows he was instigating and bringing over posts from a banned poster. Common sense says if you bring over comments and threats of violence from a banned poster then you could draw some moderation and even lose your SBR privileges. No biggie. If you are offended or anyone else is that's unfortunate and I apologize sincerely. But it was the right call and I back it and I apologize the most to the poster that was threatened. He should never have to worry about a banned poster coming here by proxy and physically threatening him.

Was he instigating or simply giving a heads up that some drunk was making threats?This is the question....

[SBR_John]

Was he instigating or simply giving a heads up that some drunk was making threats?This is the question....

Instigating. He was asked on another forum to run this over and proudly did. He basically made himself a proxy for a banned poster.

[mikejamm]

Censorship sucks! This is America god damn it! People worry too much about the whole being politically correct nonsense, that you can't say shit without some asshole complaining about it! Banishment from a open forum gambling website makes no fuk'in sense at all! Somebody must have got their panties in a bunch, just get the fuk over it! Cougar Bait is good people, bring the Cougar back!

[jjgold]

I think Cougar did not do it in any viscous way, I think it was innocent

He never would of done if if he knew it would be a 10 day ban

Definitely way too much

Johnny do something

[MBENZ]

Instigating. He was asked on another forum to run this over and proudly did. He basically made himself a proxy for a banned poster.

You're the boss,seems this cougar is a plus for the site and maybe got mixed up with the wrong crowd.Maybe a little slack is in order since the point has been made.

[SBR_John]

We would just unban Bread if we wanted him here threatening members. The fact his he is banned for that exact thing. He asked for someone to post his threat at SBR and Cougar complied. I respect those who think we should look the other way but we want to be fair to the threatened poster too.

[wal66]

John Walker

For anyone who bothers to read this let it be known that unlike some of the braggarts around here I personally do not think I am bigger than the site. I have no delusional notions that I am some sort of martyr or do I feel that anything I say will make a difference. Sometimes though we just have to do what we feel is right even if we might well be the only one that gets it.

I spoke out back when the whole Bread, Robyn and other posters were in an uproar. I spoke out but I did so as an outsider. I was more or less impartial in the matter because I wasn’t a part of the action and only came in after the fact basically. I read through the threads and saw what went on and that was when I spoke a little on the subject.

I spoke out again in the weeks that followed because a couple of my post and a few post of others were moved to Private Zone when many of those threads had nothing offensive or against rules contained in them. Misunderstanding was basically what the verdict was when those threads were returned.

In the examples above were at hand it was pointed out by myself and I’m sure a few others that the main reason these things happened in the first place was because rules are arbitrarily enforced. Not just that but out of the mouth of the owner himself it was said that there is a sliding scale and mods have a tough job and are allowed to make judgment calls. I agree if a moderator is left to his own judgment and interpretation of what’s objectionable inconsistencies will occur. That was the big problem by the way.

John it would be foolish to think that you weren’t ( and maybe even aren’t) sharp in business matters. You have developed SBR into one of the more successful gambling forums around. You and your staff have increased advertising revenues, great ads like SBR lines, SBR sports book and the points system. You plan on adding SBR poker eventually as well. All these things are solid and they will undoubtedly make SBR more appealing to many more members in the future. So as I said from a business standpoint you should be proud.

From a personal standpoint though regardless of all the innovations and improvements some of the things you allow to happen or take part in absolutely makes one wonder if there aren’t split personalities at work.

How is it good poster relations to treat posters differently? How is it ethical to disrupt the integrity of a thread by removing certain post contained within that thread? How is it good practice to allow mods to use self discursion at what is objectionable and what’s not? How is it good to allow blatant racism right out in the open as this forum has done over and over again?

Now in addition to those we have the CougarBait situation. Cougar came here yesterday and warned a current member of SBR about a threat against his body at the upcoming SBR Bash. Cougar did not make those threats himself. Cougar did not even agree that those threats were warranted or join in with those threats. All Cougar did was copy and paste what those threats were. Now put aside for a moment that these threats aren’t real because much like what actually happened that would call for a conclusion on our part. Nothing Cougar did was against a written rule. He DID NOT post a link. He copied and pasted what was said within a thread. Something that has been done here time and time again from other forums around the net.

John it is glaringly obvious that Cougar was punished because of who and where those threats came. You hold no love for Bread, the posters that left or the forum they created and that is fine. It is your option to hold a grudge, harbor ill feelings or simply despise all of that. What isn’t cool and what is just wrong is banning or allowing a banning of the guy who simply brought this to the attention of the SBR member it involved.

John what if this threat were real? It’s obviously not but what if it were? What if it were real and what if Cougar like any of us that were there when that thread at the other site was happening chose to just ignore it and leave it alone? What if at the Bash that threat actually became a reality? What if Bread actually caused bodily harm to Illini and no-one did anything to prevent this from happening?

John, because of your feelings towards someone else, someone you can’t touch, someone beyond your reach, beyond the grasp of SBR punishment you elected or allowed the messenger to be shot. You can’t touch Bread but you can have Cougar punished. Does that somehow make SBR a better place John? Does it make you a more powerful person? Some might think it does but I think it proves just what a little person you are.

I don’t know how many people will agree with anything I have said here and I really don’t care. I feel better for doing it. I feel better and I said you not the moderator who was delegated to carrying out the orders.

[tullamore]

John, whats your favorite kind of Bread?


Mine is marble rye.

[wal66]

Walker that is a lie. Cougar was not the poster who was asked to deliver the message. It's there for anyone who cares to look. It's one thing to do what you will with your site but it's another thing to lie in the process.

[jjgold]

I doubt anyone is going to tell cougar what to do

Bread could of ghosted

[jjgold]

Wally get SBR.tv fixed please

[mrmarket]

Wal I respect what you're doing but this will not end well.

[Sunde91]

What a useless, self-righteous prick this guy is.

Your cross and nails, sir

[maersksealand]

Wal doesn't matter, Coug knows he was instigating and bringing over posts from a banned poster. Common sense says if you bring over comments and threats of violence from a banned poster then you could draw some moderation and even lose your SBR privileges. No biggie. If you are offended or anyone else is that's unfortunate and I apologize sincerely. But it was the right call and I back it and I apologize the most to the poster that was threatened. He should never have to worry about a banned poster coming here by proxy and physically threatening him.

I understand that CB wants to always be the center of attention...but this time he went over what's acceptable.

[wal66]

Wal I respect what you're doing but this will not end well.

Taking a stand or speaking up doesn't always end well. I realize this and understand why it is so. Sometmes though people realizes the crime doesn't meet the punnishment or even that no crime was commited at all.

I don't think I will make a difference but I'm not the kind of person who stands idle either.

[jjgold]

Wally your untouchable here

Hey I should interview you this week

[wal66]

Sunde, you are entitled to your opinion but I can promise you you are 100% wrong. Taking a stand, stating an opinion or speaking up doesn't make one self righteous.

[obamaismyuncle]

I understand that CB wants to always be the center of attention...but this time he went over what's acceptable.

This. 100% correct.

[DrStale]

Wow, won't even let Wal have his own thread for it? Really?

[wal66]

Par for the course Doc. Surprised it was tucked away here and not immediately to the Private Zone though.

[Sunde91]

Sunde, you are entitled to your opinion but I can promise you you are 100% wrong. Taking a stand, stating an opinion or speaking up doesn't make one self righteous.

I don't agree with the banning, but there's no reason to make a 10 page thesis overanalyzing such a petty issue on the internet while calling for SBR to become bigger PC police on issues like sexism, racism, name calling, and so forth.

[Flying Dutchman]

Hey wal, if you get banned give me your points!

...bro, I'm the only guy here who deserves them...you know it in your heart.

[wal66]

CONSISTENCY!!!!!!!!!!! Just be consistent in rulings. Stop with it's ok to let it slide this time for this poster but not that poster. What about that doesn't register?

[pavyracer]

John,

You can't ban posters left and right without giving infractions first. You watched the game today. Learn something from Howard Webb. He gave a warning. Then he gave a yellow card. Then he talked to the player warning him again. Then finally he gave a second yellow card and a red card. This all in the span of 2 plus hours. You gave a straight red card and a 5 game automatic suspension for a harmless tackle in the middle of the field. You will never be a world class referee by doing this all the time. Control your emotions and focus on the game..not the players.

[Gee]

At the end of the day, I don't think this is a big a deal as it is being made out to be.

I think the point is that the rules against violence and stirring that kind of thing up are pretty clear and aren't there for fun. The banning (and thanks to Brock - the attention it is now getting) will help deter (although it won't stop) people from behaving that way in the future. The less of that kind of crap on these boards the better IMO.

I think thats the theory anyway... its the same as in the Courts - its not always fair, but there is a good reason why things are done the way they are.

[THE PROFIT]

True Pavy, I think a 10 day banning is way fuked up for a first offense. No warning, no infreaction 1, 2, or 3, no 24 hour ban like a time out to think about what you did, no 3 day ban, straight to 10 fukin days!!!

[THE PROFIT]

But whats done is done, no way SBR or John is gonna go back on it now! This place is run like baseball, not football. What the ump says is final & he is always right, fuk instant replay & review! If you wanna come out & bitch about it they'll eject your ass too!

[tullamore]

john is going to do whatever the hell he wants, its his site.
no matter how stupid or idiotic his actions are, this is his baby and let him fvck it up if he wants.