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  • Louie Diamond
    SBR Hustler
    • 12-26-05
    • 56

    #1
    The Nine.com Scam...
    5.25.2005 (12:36 PM CST)
    SBR COSTA RICA OFFICE REPORTS: GrandCentral Sports(SBR rating D+) dba Mybookie proves why private oversight of the offshore sportsbook industry is insufficient to protect players.
    MyBookie forced a player, allegedly by suggesting they may stiff him out of his entire balance, to accept .30 on the dollar, a move that cost the player $85,000. Except for SBR and little known TOW, none of the so-called player advocate sites have even reported this incredible theft. This is easily the largest sportsbook theft case of 2005. Lawmakers in North America will undoubtedly use this theft as an example of how vulnerable players are to unregulated sportsbooks. SBR has repeatedly called for GCS to pay the player or show cause why he should not be paid. Sources in Costa Rica have told SBR that because the only major website that took up the players’ cause was SBR that GCS felt they got away with minimal backlash.

    However, many respected operators here in Costa Rica are disgusted with the forced theft. One operator complained publicly and privately that even SBR was not doing enough to pressure this book to settle in full with the player. Operators here recognize that these types of theft will be the beginning of the end for the sportsbook industry.

    SBR’s position is clear: Pay the player or show cause as to why $85,000 was confiscated. Failure to do so will result in the possibility of an SBR Scam Warning press release as well as a possible downgrade to the SBR Blacklist.
  • SBR_John
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 07-12-05
    • 16471

    #2
    That was ugly.

    I'd go as far as saying this was a low point in 2005. It was not a mistake, a clerical error or an oversight. On the contrary; it was a deliberate attempt to defraud a player who they thought was desperate and unaware of the watchdog community.
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    • Louie Diamond
      SBR Hustler
      • 12-26-05
      • 56

      #3
      It was very deliberate, John. That is Nine.com's MO. I'm glad you're willing to expose shot takers like this. I hope anyone that searches for Nine.com on the site sees what Nine.com is really like. These are truths that you will never see at Major Wager or RX. They have no problem covering up for Nine.com stealing from players. In the end, it only hurts the unsuspecting. Which is exactly what MW and RX claim their platforms are about. They sure are fooling plenty of sports gamblers out there. Which, unfortunately, even an idiot can do. Just because idiots can fool sports gamblers, doesn't make it right to do so. I'l bump this periodically to help out where I can. Stay away from Nine.com
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      • SBR_John
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 07-12-05
        • 16471

        #4
        TheRx did get involved with this. A little slow at first. But as I recall the Rx played a big role in getting the player paid. But yes I also remember MW, Sportscrew and others claiming this was a misunderstanding and hyped by SBR.

        Nine.com is now owned by Alistair's VIP group. They have full control and I was recently told if we noticed anything unethical to please contact Alistair personally.

        Even so, we are with holding any more upgrades on the Nine group until we see a track record that is more inline to VIP's.
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        • SBR_John
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 07-12-05
          • 16471

          #5
          There is quite a long and informative thread on Nine's poor customer service at the Rx.


          Now before anyone at Nine or VIP writes me please consider the fact that this operation has a ways to go. Its a good size book and its not in Curacao. Its going to take some work to turn this ship. Its a great brand but it is getting poor marks from players.
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          • mschild
            SBR Hustler
            • 02-27-06
            • 85

            #6
            Any improvement with this book? Since they were upgraded all the way to a B can I assume they are safe and pay without problems? Did VIP take over completely?
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            • SBR_John
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 07-12-05
              • 16471

              #7
              Yes VIP did take over 100% control and yes there have been some improvements. However, Nine is not run directly by Alistair's long time management team. Now I'm gonna get a nasty letter for saying that but what I mean is they have a different management team and they are in different locations. VIP is an A+ but we continue to be cautious with Nine for the reasins I mentioned. Their SBR rating is "B".
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              • mschild
                SBR Hustler
                • 02-27-06
                • 85

                #8
                If your still cautious, why upgrade them to a "B" ? According to your rating system I shouldn't have a problem. I rather you would have continued a C rating if you had some reservations.
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                • SBR_John
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 07-12-05
                  • 16471

                  #9
                  We have no reservations that B is the appropriate rating for now. If we did they would not be a B simple as that.

                  We have reservations about Nine assuming VIP's A+ because they do not have the same operations managers. So we are in an upgrade process which they will continue to see upgrades as they prove themself over time.
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                  • mschild
                    SBR Hustler
                    • 02-27-06
                    • 85

                    #10
                    confusing
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                    • RickySteve
                      Restricted User
                      • 01-31-06
                      • 3415

                      #11
                      The nine.com group aggressively profiles players, slashes limits and deals the heaviest juice around. It's getting tiresome seeing books like this get such high ratings.
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                      • Bill Dozer
                        www.twitter.com/BillDozer
                        • 07-12-05
                        • 10894

                        #12
                        Originally posted by mschild
                        confusing
                        Very. One of the most common questions we get is what a sportsbook affiliation means to the player. Sometimes it just means there will be similar CS, IPs and software. Sometimes is means there is financial backing by the hosting company but with different lines and decision makers. Just matching phone numbers is not enough to know what's going on.

                        In this case, VIP is backing an operation that was already financially stable. As John said, we want to see VIP's influence on day to day operations. We are currently dealing with a BetCom wager complaint that should be a quick fix but it would not have occurred at VIP.
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                        • mschild
                          SBR Hustler
                          • 02-27-06
                          • 85

                          #13
                          This might be a crazy concept, why not upgrade them after they prove themselves over time instead of a quick upgrade when they affliate. Apparently you're still not exactly sure what VIP's influence will be yet. I'm very aware that "other factors" are involved with these ratings but keep in mind a lot of people consult these ratings before they send off their hard earned money, it wouldn't hurt to wait a month or so instead of a quickdraw upgrade. Just a thought.
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                          • WhiteCap
                            SBR Rookie
                            • 01-24-07
                            • 14

                            #14
                            This proves exactly my point about the SBR rating system. After just 6 months you upgraded Nine to a "B" and it's now an "A-" one and a half years after this theft was reported? If it's not being run by VIP's management, than why the hell does it warrant an A- rating? Because of financial backing? I mean, VIP being an A+ rated book is already a joke and a half. Howver, to then give a bum book like Nine an A- just one and a half years later not because of management, but because of "financial backing"? Wow, VIP must really being paying a buck to get themselves and Nine pumped up on this site. I'm sorry, but Nine being an A- is the biggest joke on the entire SBR rating guide. They should be a C at best.
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                            • WhiteCap
                              SBR Rookie
                              • 01-24-07
                              • 14

                              #15
                              Furthrermore, if it's an A- rating because of "financial backing", than why is wagerstreet a B+(backed by the greek) and mansion a B-? You won't find deeper pockets than Spiro and Mansion. I'm sorry, but it's obvious Nine.com is an A- on this site because of VIP's deal with SBR.
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